Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-29 Thread Gerry Archer
On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-29 Thread Brian Toscano
2000 Jetta TDI did 50-55 MPG On Saturday, June 29, 2013, Gerry Archer wrote: On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-28 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: I got 28 to 32 mpg in my 1962 190Dc! FORTY years ago! A 5 seat sedan. No A/c but i could set the heat seperately right or left. I could set the fan speed anywhere I wanted it, and the NAcc always worked! My mom's 62 Rambler did it on gasoline. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Gerry Archer
Any time someone mentions a Smart, I think back to the BMW Isetta which was somewhat smaller than the Smart. They were popular with some students at the university until one came down Main Street going pretty fast, hit a curb (someone said), and went airborne; landing on the other side of of a

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread dseretakis
The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Dieselhead
Any time someone mentions a Smart, I think back to the BMW Isetta which was somewhat smaller than the Smart. They were popular with some students at the university until one came down Main Street going pretty fast, hit a curb (someone said), and went airborne; landing on the other side of of

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That was a different, crappy Smart. The good ones are very roomy and fun to drive. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Rich Thomas
He must have driven the Remedial --R On 6/27/13 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That was a different, crappy Smart. The good ones are very roomy and fun to drive. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread OK Don
We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Jim Cathey
Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. I think I'll wait! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Maintenance costs are tiny, though. The 10K servicing cost like $150. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Randy Bennell
On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread dseretakis
No not a Prius. That's a tree hugger pussymobile! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Randy Bennell
And an electric Smart car is not Randy On 27/06/2013 1:13 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: No not a Prius. That's a tree hugger pussymobile! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Curt Raymond
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID:     CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Curt Raymond
probably even convince the people she rents space from to put in an outside outlet for her, it would be good PR for the office. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:40:11 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Rich Thomas
Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tAsuF3yrifPAMFMKkQDrpU**X8Ng-tFomkJqBdEtGA_H5g@mail.** gmail.com tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Randy Bennell
On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy ___

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Tim Crone
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. I saw a TV ad (!) for a diesel (!) Chevy (!) Cruze. Given the amount of TV I've seen this year they must be running it pretty

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Scott Ritchey
] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:38 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Electric cars make a lot of sense if you have a short commute and can keep another car around for longer drives. We've oft considered one for Angie's 20 mile round trip. Keep

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Tim Crone
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Does anyone know the long-term issues of the batteries in these cars? When will the battery require replacement? What does that cost? What are the I don't know specifically for the newer cars, but per the folks who

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Curt Raymond
14:39:00 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID:     CAC35L=uLeYxKSC-FZhJhLBMsft3eKe4EEnVg0R09noT=xcu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The savings

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread OK Don
The measure where the Smart wins is cute, though that one is in the eye of the beholder --- On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jun 27, 2013 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. I don't understand why Smart parts should be any cheaper than parts for

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Because they are proportionately smaller. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 27, 2013 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread clay
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Dieselhead
On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-27 Thread Dieselhead
BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Hear hear! I got 28 to 32 mpg in my 1962 190Dc! FORTY years ago! A 5 seat

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jun 25, 2013 10:49 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is such a shame because the front of 124, 126 and all earlier MB looked great, and were so often emulated. I have to agree. I don't understand the current M-B styling motif, especially the front ends. Compare it especially

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread dseretakis
There was a post on the MBCA forums recently complaining about a torn seam in a 2010 C- class driver's seat. The current interiors will never match the older cars in durability. I did a quality comparison some months ago of MB vs BMW interiors- basically I was dealer hopping. The BMW interiors

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread clay
I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay On Jun 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Jun 25, 2013 10:49 PM, Dieselhead

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread Dieselhead
I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay Well i believe the oriental cars are knock-off of the MB has been the case in the past.

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread clay
Bruno Sacco design instead of the new wind tunnel lemon head egg shapes. Sort of Ruebenesque clay I might put a star on SWMBA hyundai and see if anybody notices On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread Chris James
Huh? I think there are enough carry over exterior design elements on the W220 (especially before the redesign), that it is still recognizable as a Mercedes. The same person that designed your W124, oversaw the design of the W220 after all (yes, Bruno Sacco). Prefer the early W220 myself

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread Curt Raymond
2013 13:47:37 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: a06240803cdf0e59d0684@[192.168.0.102] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today.  Drove

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-26 Thread OK Don
The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-26 Thread Rich Thomas
I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

2013-06-26 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread Rick Knoble
Smart thinking. I have a friend who had an A4 2002 Jetta TDI. Doing the timing belt required removing a good portion of the front of the car, from what he said. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If I were to buy an older car I'd

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread Dieselhead
The wabbit was a whole lot easier to change timing belt on than the frod escort diesel. I am SOO happy to only have MB diesels again. Changing a timing chain on an MB is easiest of all. (yes, you have to be meticulous, but any engine work needs to be meticulous) MB is advertising

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jun 25, 2013 1:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. Not so cheap anymore. I rode a few days ago in the newest MB I've been in, a 2011 C350, and I was amazed at the quality of the interior. All the surfaces felt and looked

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread Dieselhead
On Jun 25, 2013 1:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. Not so cheap anymore. I rode a few days ago in the newest MB I've been in, a 2011 C350, and I was amazed at the quality of the interior. All the surfaces felt and looked

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread clay
I concur. I am going to have to wait out for a long while future purchases until DBAG reworks the design ethic they have. I am pretty sure I could stick a star on the hood of SWMBA car and 80% of people would have no idea it was not German. clay On Jun 25, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Dieselhead

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread Gerry Archer
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. What happened to the bowtie guys thinking that the US market is ONLY FOR luxury cars did they change their mind? Article said MB profits are 'way down since the Chinese economy went into recession

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-25 Thread Dieselhead
I concur. I am going to have to wait out for a long while future purchases until DBAG reworks the design ethic they have. I am pretty sure I could stick a star on the hood of SWMBA car and 80% of people would have no idea it was not German. clay Parked my heap next to a SL550 today at the

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Hans Neureiter
mechanic. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:30:52 -0500 From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: caojz3l_vrztfbgyntopwpcdnlhg1raoinmwjhygp5uzbemg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain

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2013-06-24 Thread OK Don
FYI - Kiplinger's: 12 'Best in Class' car values for 2013 Cars $20,000 - $25,000: Volkswagen Jetta TDI *Sticker price*: $23,785 (manual) *Invoice price*: $22,866 *TrueCar national average price*: $22,873 *Resale value*: 3-year: 59%; 5-year: 44% *MPG*: City: 30; Hwy: 42 Volkswagen's compact

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Curt Raymond
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID:     caojz3l-kj8cj8jzdpmf5r-picpgc1ff9isbjkjdefwkpahg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I beg to differ. Just did the job on my 2001 Beetle (Jetta 1.9L  is identical). Parts kit, incl

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Curt Raymond
mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID:     canzcij8wwkuqwq2zrhm4eynvaum2l61cekykp5kztksnjpq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 FYI - Kiplinger's: 12 'Best in Class' car values for 2013 Cars $20,000 - $25,000: Volkswagen Jetta TDI

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Craig
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not mortgaging your soul is a good idea.

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Randy Bennell
On 24/06/2013 5:54 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Craig
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny So what did you think? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

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2013-06-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
It was not a Mercedes that's for sure Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny So what did you think?

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Curt Raymond
of southern Vermont like this but sonofa it sure can... Torque makes me smile. -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 7bdb2478-f63e-4776-8944

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 7bdb2478-f63e-4776-8944-d569db69c...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny Sent

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2013-06-24 Thread clay
I would be a little interested. SWMBA and I spent yesterday hunting down an E300 replacement. Checked a few diesels. They were turds. I guess the people that hold onto them, take care, but the ones for sale this month were rode hard, put away wet, and rarely saw a loving hand. Looks like a

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Craig
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:51:04 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It was not a Mercedes that's for sure A nice, definitive, technical description :-) So what did you think? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-24 Thread Curt Raymond
:09:26 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 54cc2e93-b349-459c-af2b-6229275bc...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii No I just drove it around the dealers

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2013-06-24 Thread Dieselhead
I like my fleabay clunker junker. 425k+ mile 300SDL I did find the missing spring on Saturday. Idles smoother now, so it must have had a bad delivery valve seal. 6 new GPs, and viton orings in the IP. I freed up the hood latched in B100 fuel, and put them back in. checked the

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Or will there always be some out there, like Wilton's 350SDL, that just don't show the symptoms and will always be an unknown quantity? I thought Wilton's 350 had a valve job, milled head, and new head gasket? Or is that Walt Lasher? No, I think Walt has a crate

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Hans Neureiter
Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800. It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread WILTON
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Alex Chamberlain wrote: Or will there always be some out there, like Wilton's 350SDL, that just don't show the symptoms and will always be an unknown quantity? I thought Wilton's 350 had

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Curt Raymond
for a home mechanic. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:30:52 -0500 From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID:     caojz3l_vrztfbgyntopwpcdnlhg1raoinmwjhygp5uzbemg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text

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2013-06-23 Thread OK Don
Another vote for only new in VWs, used in MBs. I would not have bought a used VW - and could not afford a new MB, so have the (was) new VW. I don't hear the turbo at all in the 2012 TDI - run, don't walk from that Jetta. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: clay

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2013-06-23 Thread David Bruckmann
Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Curt Raymond
On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the process. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread David Bruckmann
Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved. On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the process. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Brian Toscano
The TB on the '98 is easier. Once you get good a the A4 chassis they can be done pretty quickly but the process is definitely different than on the A3. On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:56 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, more like a 190. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:56 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Maybe not on a 98, but on

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread David Bruckmann
All the 99.5 and later TDIs (Golf, Jetta, Beetle are all on the same platform) have this issue with single-use stretch bolts not being replaced and failing. At 2:48 PM -0400 6/23/13, Curt Raymond wrote: Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. On the Jetta

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Which explains the high cost of his TB replacement vs what I would expect. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:53 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: All the 99.5 and later TDIs (Golf, Jetta, Beetle are all on the same platform) have this issue with single-use

[MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI? I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little issues but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a bit of turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at the intake

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Curt Raymond
Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the other issues its got, together,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the other issues

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Rich Thomas
Some other poor sucker will buy it. And no, I doubt if it will make a difference unless you can beat him down to maybe $2500. --R On 6/22/13 5:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference? ___

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that. My ex has a 2000 New Bug TDI

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Brian Toscano
The 1998 is a lot more tinny than the 2000. Water pump is aux belt driven on the '98 but timing belt driven on the '00. Rotary pump, electronically controlled. Rear drum brakes. All in all I liked the 2000 better than the 1998. Drove each for a few years. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread clay
I have cousins who sells VW. He advises strongly against purchasing used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running. clay On Jun 22, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI? I went to look at a '98 today,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
clay wrote: I have cousins who sells VW. He advises strongly against purchasing used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running. The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210 territory by the time all the known and unknown

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Curt Raymond
2013 15:34:39 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: CABHyH=avAHkyH6S59L0_-LkfTV1s41rpi9=-7loqobye1jd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jun 22

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Curt Raymond
, the CEL is on, parking brake inop... In 2003 for $1500 I could buy a pretty nice car that wouldn't really need anything for 10,000 miles. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:31:03 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Dan Penoff
I was just joking with the inlaws about all the cars we bought for under $1000 years ago. I can recall buying some pretty decent cars for $500. Dan pinin' for the days of cheap cars and even cheaper gas On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Actually this is an exceptionally bad

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 Those don't look like 'always garaged' headlight lenses to me. Of course, if it was a daily driver,

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 False alarm? The interior pics look more like Parchment to me. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

2013-06-22 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/**cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.**