Hmm, another slight bit of confusion... If I shift into L, then 2 then L again
it'll go into first at a standstill...
It still needs adjustment, its hard to get it into first with the pedal.
-Curt
--- On Sun, 3/6/11, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:
From: David Bruckmann
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:58 PM, David Bruckmann
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:
To Curt's point: oddly, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 (201.024) and 190D 2.2
(201.122), as well as a couple
of Euro 123, 124 and 126 gasser models, start in second no matter the
position of the shift lever.
The
The TDM lists specific models with this won't shift down behaviour. Some
123/124/201 models behave differently than others, and as you say the shift
gate pattern is no particular indicator. Specifically, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 and
190D 2.2 are listed in the TDM, but it presumably boils down to a
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:02:47 -0800
From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
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The
TDM lists specific models
Hey, Curt.
Send me the chassis number, and the engines number, I may well have a
spare head for you, new valves and all.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
On 3/7/2011 9:28 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Its an '84, presumably an early one, how do I find the build date? It is indeed
a 2.2l.
Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Its an '84, presumably an early one, how do I find the build date? It is
indeed a 2.2l.
Interesting things about this car:
Mono wiper with no in/out thingie
Glow plug light on the left side of the steering wheel
14 wheels with their special bolts
David Bruckmann wrote:
Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple misunderstanding on the part of
the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the 722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay
in second when stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they
Just to add some confusion...my 80 300SD 116 starts in first gear without using
the kick down. I've had it for 14 years and that's how it has always worked. My
83 300D also works the same. The only time the kick down works is if I floor
the pedal...then it kicks down like I would expect it to.
Wow. That's got to be a record for most miles on an original MB automatic
transmission!
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 6, 2011, at 9:01 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:
Just to add some confusion...my 80 300SD 116 starts in first gear without using
the kick down. I've had it for 14 years and
So which is more work 1)detaching the IP, manifold, and turbo before
swapping out the motor; or 2) simply replacing the head with a used one from
a 300TD that has the SLS pump?
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
David Bruckmann wrote:
Whether it actually
roger...@comcast.net wrote:
Just to add some confusion...my 80 300SD 116 starts in first gear without using the kick down.
78-79 power the kickdown through the overboost safety relay. It's supposed to
sit in 2nd at a stnadstill with your foot on the brake, then drop into first as
you take
#2 is harder for sure, timing chain, head gasket, valve cover, etc...
Walt
On Mar 6, 2011 9:59 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
So which is more work 1)detaching the IP, manifold, and turbo before
swapping out the motor; or 2) simply replacing the head with a used one
from
a
Walt Zarnoch wrote:
#2 is harder for sure, timing chain, head gasket, valve cover, etc...
But, on the other hand, there's shift linkage, driveshaft, etc for a
engine/tranny swap. Manifolds gotta go either way, if one of the engines has the
CA setup and you want to get rid of it.
For my money, changing the head is easier/cheaper than changing the
engine or engine/trans combo.
This is most likely borne out is flat rate manuals for inline 4,5,6
cyl engines. It also needs no engine hoist.
For the air cooled horizontally opposed VWs, and some other things,
the engine
Dieselhead wrote:
For my money, changing the head is easier/cheaper than changing the
engine or engine/trans combo.
This is most likely borne out is flat rate manuals for inline 4,5,6 cyl
engines. It also needs no engine hoist.
I'd use the hoist anyway. The head isn't light, especially if
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
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Whether
it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple
Andrew,
What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car? I don't see any
need to change anything unless the engine or transmission has some very
serious failure. In fact, such a swap would decrease the value of the car.
I say leave it, maintain it and enjoy.
Jaime
On Sat, Mar 5,
intend to keep such a car you might end up spending
several thousand on it but on the other hand you'd end up with a great engine.
-Curt
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:52:11 -0600
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Andrew,
What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car? I don't see any
need to change anything unless the engine or transmission has some very
serious failure. In fact, such a swap would decrease the value of the car.
I say leave it, maintain it and enjoy.
Ah... I get it... so the CA 300TD would supply the engine for his current
300TD... its all clear now. Carry on!
Jaime
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Andrew,
What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car? I don't
Andrew,
i think the present owner is confused.
as i understand it (at least with our '85 300D), the injection pump
and trans/torque converter are unique to the '85 vs earlier 300Ds, as
may be the rear differential ratio. (i'm not sure if the rear dif is the
same in the TD or not.)
Ernest, your assessment is spot-on. The improvements solely for the 1985
model year 300TD that you enumerated necessitate my searching for only that
year for an engine swap out.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM, ernest breakfield
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:
Andrew,
i think the
Well said, Mitch, although Jaime makes a good case to leave well enough
alone
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Andrew,
What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car? I don't see
any
need to change anything unless
Indeed, the pre-1980 (722.1) diesel transmissions started in second unless you
mash the pedal to force a kickdown. That would have applied to the early 240D
and non-turbo 300D up to and including 1979. The 126 diesels did the cable
kickdown from the beginning of the series (1981). Not sure
Finally dredged up my TDM. Boiled down version:
Non-turbos 123.123 (240D), 123.130 (300D), 123.190 (300TD) up to 1979: start in
second, no kickdown unless full throttle applied.
1980 to September 1984: 123.12x; 123.13x and 123.19x (turbo and non-turbo):
idle in second, kickdown to first with
I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today. However,
it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air
cleaner. The owner says that the transmission is also different than the
normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear. I was wondering whether
I
Should be an easy swap, the trans will bolt right up with no issues.
There might be subtle gotcha! Things I don't know about though, so wait
for others to chime in.
Walt
On Mar 5, 2011 11:23 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one
Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple
misunderstanding on the part of the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the 722.3
transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay in second when stopped
UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick down to
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