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OK if you work the day shift.
Those things can be charged with a 110V outlet though it takes a lot
longer, but still, for 8-10 hours should be enough to add some miles of
range?
--R (don
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
And that's the thing with a lot of folks, you have an old car that is
essentially paid off, is not too bad on fuel relatively speaking. I
can't see the sense in buyi
t more internal space.
-Curt
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:46 PM
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The issue is still upfront cost, essentially the leaf costs
And that's the thing with a lot of folks, you have an old car that is
essentially paid off, is not too bad on fuel relatively speaking. I
can't see the sense in buying a EV in your situation, as you may well
never break even, unless fuel goes through the roof and perhaps the
gobbermenters come
The issue is still upfront cost, essentially the leaf costs twice as
much as a comparable sized car, which are pretty efficient these days,
especially with an oil burner under the bonnet.
For instance
http://volkswagenaustralia.com.au/PassengerVehicleVariants/vehicle/up
AU$15k for the 5 door wi
On 14/08/2014 4:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Aren't you the one that said you only commuted a mile or two a day? Most people
only commute something like 10 miles round trip daily which makes the Leaf
PERFECT for them. None of the downsides of a gas car, heat comes on faster (its
ele
st 14, 2014 4:36 PM
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Sounds like the Leaf is a bit useless unless one never goes more than just a
few miles in a day.
Not surprising.
Electric cars are mostly wishful thinking so far.
Don't think they would be very good here in t
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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:16 AM
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How much power is required to recharge the Leaf?
I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge
enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call
friend of the kid has one at his home. Thing runs on a 50 amp breaker to a 240
volt hook up. Same sort of hook up that a back yard pool or spa requires.
I would guess at least 6-8kW
clay
On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> How much power is required to rechar
Randy Bennell wrote:
I do not recall the name of the run, but there is or at least was, a
sort of a race between cars built by various universities and colleges.
I went to one of their stops a few years back and looked at some of the
solar powered vehicles.
My recollection is that there was a si
I do not recall the name of the run, but there is or at least was, a
sort of a race between cars built by various universities and colleges.
I went to one of their stops a few years back and looked at some of the
solar powered vehicles.
My recollection is that there was a significant difference b
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
How much power is required to recharge the Leaf?
12Ax120Vx20Hours if it's dead and you're using the 'trickle charger'.
3.3kWx8hours at 240v.
I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge
enough to get the vehicle home and not have to
OK if you work the day shift.
Those things can be charged with a 110V outlet though it takes a lot
longer, but still, for 8-10 hours should be enough to add some miles of
range?
--R (don't no nuffin bout no electrical car mosheenerries)
On 8/14/14 11:16 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
How much power is required to recharge the Leaf?
I wonder if enough photocells could be put into the windows to recharge
enough to get the vehicle home and not have to call for a tow.
Might be expensive and cumbersome and most people would not want to put
up with that.
Randy
On 13/08/2014 7:1
> Andrew wrote:
>
> If you coast downhill in an EV does that recharge the battery?
Coasting? No.
Braking - yes, at some level. Those of us who are familiar with
driving an internal combustion engine are familiar with engine
braking caused by the restriction of air passing through the
engine.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:13:43 -0700 Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
> Yes EVs do recharge when coasting. Its called "regenerative braking".
> Both the Leaf and Prius have braking settings where the car is more
> aggressive about slowing down when you get off the accelerator.
Thanks!
Craig
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:05:20 -0700 curtludwig--- via Mercedes
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> Yes.
Yes, what?
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Yes to everything, no is a negative word that should be banned, ooopps
starting to soound like mao.
Seriously though, could be this iffy thing where the reply to goes to
the original author and the list, I try to delete the author addy when I
remember.
Hendrik
who sometimes forgets...a
According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf stop go
really eats into the range, probably to do with using climate control
and the physics of getting a stationary object moving.
Not sure if the trailer idea would be suitable for everyone, some people
are not comfortable towing a
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:05:20 -0700 curtludwig--- via Mercedes
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> Yes.
Yes, what?
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I thought that the braking action regerated the batteries. WTF?
There are friction brakes too. AFAIK, a Prius has an adjustment for how hard you
want it to slow down when you lift off the go pedal. Hit the stop pedal and you
engage the friction brakes.
I believe a Te
I thought that the braking action regerated the batteries. WTF?
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
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>> That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home.
>>
>> IIRC one of their problems was
Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
That might give her the extra charge she would need to get home.
IIRC one of their problems was that Nissan advertised a range of 100
miles, but under normal conditions it only gets 70 miles. That made it
close, but they could still make the round trip in bus la
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:14 PM
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Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work.
There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law,
electric vehicles could drive in t
If you coast downhill in an EV does that recharge the battery?
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> On 8/13/2014 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> They thought about buying a "battery traile
On 8/13/2014 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
They thought about buying a "battery trailer" that is towed behind
and extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up.
Here's a European battery trailer:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_
On 13/08/2014 2:00 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote:
Oooh,
Hendrik
who would be happy enough to drive an electric car, no more oil changes
But, then how would we manage to have oil threads?
Randy
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OOPS! Here's the link about the self propelled diesel/battery trailer:
http://www.plugincars.com/company-launches-electric-car-range-extending-diesel-powered-trailer-101953.html
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Archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
They thought about buying a "battery trailer" that is towed behind and
extends the Leafs range, but the numbers didn't add up.
Here's a European battery trailer:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079294_forget-better-place-hook-your-electric-car-to-a-battery
> Stop and go traffic shouldn't hurt the range of an EV anywhere near what it
> does to a gas car.
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
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the airport do.
-Curt
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:46 AM
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Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote:
> Oooh, very clever, get the boss to
st 13, 2014 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sacrilegious talk about white man magic
Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work.
There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law,
electric vehicles could drive in the inside "bus" lane which
Friend in Frisco Bay area bought a Leaf for his wife to drive to work.
There were no charging stations in her work area but under county law,
electric vehicles could drive in the inside "bus" lane which let her
avoid the stop and go of morning and evening traffic, and she could make
it to work
Speaking of energy storage, I just saw this - there might be a practical
solution after all ---
"Dr Mitlin's team took these fibres and recycled them into supercapacitors
- energy storage devices which are transforming the way electronics are
powered."
Hemp fibres 'better than graphene'
http://www
Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes wrote:
Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity.
That was my first thought, my 2nd thought is that Curt wouldn't be able to make
the round trip in a pure electric without it.
Mitch.
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Oooh, very clever, get the boss to pay for your fuel/electricity.
I see some places in Euroland have charging stations, how does that
work? Are they free or do drop a coin in them or swipe the credit card?
A quick look shows that the leaf is rated at something like 99mpg under
the rating system.
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