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It was sort of a running joke that Dad would outlive us all. He came from a mix of very hearty and very prone to heart disease stock. Had he taken after his mother’s side, he would have died before retirement. As it was, his father’s genetics tended toward outliving your mental capabilities.

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Sadly, there are bad doctors as well as bad mechanics Sorry to hear about your dad Clay. My mom is hanging in there at 97, still sharp but failing physically. My father died six months after a bad heart attack in 1976. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

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*Fresh baked bread and bacon drippings* My uncle would cook toast spread with bacon fat in the oven at 400 degrees. On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:37 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I haven't eaten in a restaurant since June. > > Have gotten take-out a handful of

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I haven't eaten in a restaurant since June. Have gotten take-out a handful of times. Nobody delivers where I live. Allan Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk > dramatically. We've always cooked but from March until May we

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We probably eat out once or twice a week depending on schedule. When I am traveling I will eat out every day of the week. On 12/17/2020 6:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk dramatically. We've always cooked but from

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One good thing about COVID is that our dining out budget has shrunk dramatically. We've always cooked but from March until May we "ate out" about once a month and that was going to my friend Jon's food truck for the best BBQ around. These days we eat out once or twice a week, usually Sunday

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Even if attention is paid, sometimes the medico fails to explain just what is going on. Dad had multiple visits to the poop scope folks, history of cancers, and all he knew was that there was a benign adenoma in his duodena. Procto-idiot just shared that, and let it fester. For years.

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Since I know how to cook and remain poor (in my mind, at least), I do not regularly partake of commercial food purveyors. I have noted that portion sizes have become Brobdingnagian recently. I made three meals out of the trip to a sit down place in 2019. As for fast food, I do get cravings

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Colonoscopy cures colon cancer, since it's almost aways very slow growing. I had two pre-cancerous polyps removed during my first one -- had I not had it, in ten or fifteen years I would likely have gotten serious colon cancer. Removal of the pre-cancerous polyps removes the origin of

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That is probably a good idea. On 12/17/2020 11:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suggest not. Just do what I do and avoid the fries and get apple slices instead. -D On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at

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No, probably not. On 12/17/2020 11:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant? On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in outcomes that

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Last time I was at the doctor he was saying something about they have started to change their opinions on these as well as prostate exams.   Something about not worrying about doing it till a later age.   I could be remembering it wrong. On 12/17/2020 11:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: The

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Fresh baked bread and bacon drippings clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > I remember hearing an interview with a foodie one time who mentioned being at > some fancy food

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Having been the beneficiary of some of those young ladies (meal-wise, not the other way...) I can say that the ride was good while it lasted, but the rules changed and that put an end to a lot of the freebies. Once when the former missus was an oncology fellow at MDAnderson, about this time

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One of those drug company salespeople used to be married to my neighbor across the street. I always enjoyed watching her come out to her car every weekday morning in her short dress and F-me pumps on her way out to make calls. -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >

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I do all my own cooking out of preference, although nothing beats eating out at a nice restaurant. On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > And make candles with the leftovers. > > -D > > > On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <

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One reason I dislike my cardiologist is that he says things like "Everybody should be on a statin" but can point to zero statistical evidence to back up his claim. I think a lot of doctors prescribe them because the drug companies tell them how important it is at their weekly lunch... I'm not

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I remember hearing an interview with a foodie one time who mentioned being at some fancy food to-do where they were serving lard on toast. He was disgusted by the idea until his buddy said "Why? Its basically the same as butter." Which it kind of is... -Curt On Thursday, December 17,

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LOL. Do you guys ever watch "Townsends" on YouTube. 18th century cooking in period costume, pretty neat... -Curt On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 3:26:30 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > Allan, so this means I can go back to eating

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I don't recall anyone in the family having very high cholesterol, I think my dad might have been high but that was because he was a meat man, although in later days he went with oatmeal for brekkie in an attempt to cut down on the bacon sausage and egg contribution.  In any case mine was just

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I've never heard of a beef tallow sandwich, but if you enjoy them, knock yourself out. Andrew Strasfogel writes: > Sure. Before there were labeling laws... > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:26 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

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Sure. Before there were labeling laws... On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:26 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > > > Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with > > impunity? > > Go back? > > Allan > >

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And make candles with the leftovers. -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > >> Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with >> impunity? > > Go back? > > Allan > >

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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes writes: > Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with > impunity? Go back? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

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There was a guy I worked with at Kohler some years back who was the textbook version of a healthy man, exercised regularly, was at or near his proper weight, BMI was excellent, ate healthy, but he had a history of heart disease in his family. As a result he was on statins back in the day when

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I went to the doc for a checkup a few months ago, had not been for a coupla years I think but needed to re-up a prescription and he wouldn't do it until got all the blood work, etc.  So he says my cholesterol is a bit high, just sorta over the "normal" level. I don't eat much meat, lots of veg

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Better yet: https://youtu.be/0RD49DYTlrk?t=247 -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > https://i.redd.it/viya2ij22yz31.jpg > > I can make apple slices for myself... > > -Curt > > On Thursday,

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https://i.redd.it/viya2ij22yz31.jpg I can make apple slices for myself... -Curt On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 12:21:32 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would suggest not. Just do what I do and avoid the fries and get apple slices instead. -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:15

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I would suggest not. Just do what I do and avoid the fries and get apple slices instead. -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant? > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via

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In that particular situation I think it’s more a matter that colon cancer is very slow to progress and not something who’s symptoms are noticed until it’s at an advanced stage. Considering that there’s a 10 year span between recommended checks I don’t see it being a major expense for the

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Andrew inquires: >Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant? Starvation perhaps. It seems that in recent years the art of home cooking has become a lost art. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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Ok Don says: >The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in outcomes >that other sectors would regard as statistical noise Then the medical industry should be thrilled about this study. But I suspect they are not. No money to be made

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Is there any health risk to NEVER eating at a fast food restaurant? On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in > outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The > reduction in deaths due

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The whole medical industry gets really excited about small changes in outcomes that other sectors would regard as statistical noise. The reduction in deaths due to colonoscopies for example - talk about a solution looking for a problem (at what cost to the consumers?) ... On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at

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I've never made fries in beef tallow but I have fried them in pig lard, best dang fries I've ever had. I think its probably true that we ate fewer of them. Part of that is probably from the amount my mouth gets burned trying to eat burning hot fries since they're so good... -Curt On

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Allan, so this means I can go back to eating beef tallow sandwiches with impunity? On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from > beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a

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Peter Frederick wrote *"The sugar industry spent amazing amounts of money telling us fat was bad for us, when in fact it's sugar that's bad for us." * No less a medical expert than George Hamilton famously said in an interview: "Sugar kills." On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 12:37 AM Allan Streib via

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The whole debacle that was the crusade to get McDonald's to switch from beef tallow to vegetable oil was led by a wealthy activist named Phil Sokolof who had no qualifications or training in medicine or nutrition. He had survived a heart attack and became convinced that cholesterol was a great

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My doctor buddy the other day was telling me about some study that when people where fed French fries cooked in beef tallow they ate way less than fries cooked in veg oil. Something about the body telling you that you are full on the beef but it takes much longer to get the response from the

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More likely the preservatives in the oils rather than the oils themselves, plus residual pesticides and herbicides. The sugar industry spent amazing amounts of money telling us fat was bad for us, when in fact it's sugar that's bad for us and fat is good so long as you don't go berzerker on

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Peter says: >My theory is that something else causes >inflamation of the arterial wall, and >the body >responds by making plaque Yep. Probably the body's response to the high carbohydrate diet of the US, specifically HFCS, refined grains, and vegetable oils. The FDA, and heart association

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IIRC I'm on atorvastatin now, I think it was simvastatin before. I don't appear to have any ill effects this round so nothing to balance. -Curt On Wednesday, December 16, 2020, 2:05:49 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great to hear - not what I expected. Curt - which

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I'm one of the original statin skeptics. First and foremost, I have a PhD in biology (Plant Physiology, but I got to take animal physiology along the way) and I have never seen any investigations concerning the pathway by which serum cholesterol causes plaque formation (the fancy name for

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They are pretty well tolerated, but can cause muscle inflammation. So you should have a reason to be on them. They are pretty good for anyone with atherosclerotic vascular disease, or any of the things that go with that e.g. history of angina or heart attack, diabetes, TIA/stroke, aortic aneurysm,

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Diet and exercise - like for almost everything else ... On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:21 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My internist wants me to take statins because of slightly elevated LDL > levels. Supposedly this will improve my 19% elevated risk of

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Great to hear - not what I expected. Curt - which statin are you on now? Do you take CoQ to balance the effects? On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 1:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I was on them about 15 years ago. I stopped taking them (I don’t recall > any side effects)

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I was on them about 15 years ago. I stopped taking them (I don’t recall any side effects) and started exercising. Next time the doctor saw me they thought I was still on them because my cholesterol had gone down. -D > On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > My

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My last doctor had me on them for years. My current doctor said I did not need them and took me off of them. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > #1 most common side effect is muscle/joint pain. The first statin I took > gave me

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z.com Sent: December 16, 2020 11:21 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Statins My internist wants me to take statins because of slightly elevated LDL levels. Supposedly this will improve my 19% elevated risk of coronary disea

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#1 most common side effect is muscle/joint pain. The first statin I took gave me terrible back pain. The one I take now doesn't seem to bother me. I'm due for new blood work, I'm interested to see if exercise has helped that any. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at

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My internist wants me to take statins because of slightly elevated LDL levels. Supposedly this will improve my 19% elevated risk of coronary disease without significant downside. Anyone taking statins? Any downside to doing this? Is it worth attempting other approach(es) to correcting my