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Actually now that you mention it this would be REALLY handy in the winter. Start the block heater on the tractor a couple hours before arrival, have the tractor ready to move snow when we get there... -Curt On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 4:27:05 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: There are

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> I took cold showers spring through fall. I eventually replaced it when my > family members complained! Cold showers? Or room temperature showers? There's a difference! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/ar

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I replaced a water heater that died (the day before I got hit by a truck while riding my bike, a cold shower DID NOT feel good) that had one of those remote control devices on it, wired into the power lines to the WH. I deleted it as it never seemed to do anything although I guess it might be ha

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On 2021-06-06 19:55, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: Personally, I consider hot running water to be the panicle of technology that matters. I'm re-doing a small cabin on a pond and I plan to route the water lines such them I can gravity-drain them for winter. I remember a cheap potable grade

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y, June 6, 2021 1:40 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Curt Raymond > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater > > The weather station in my camp says the low temp for last year was -33.5F and > it was a mild winter. I can't imagine living in that old house with almost

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Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 1:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Water heater The weather station in my camp says the low temp for last year was -33.5F and it was a mild winter. I can't imagine living in that old house with almost zero insulation in t

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Inefficient because in low ambient situations they fall back onto resistive heating elements and are no more efficient than a “regular” resistive element heater. -D > On Jun 6, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2021-06-06 12:36, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >> I wo

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On 2021-06-06 12:36, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered they were horribly inef

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OK - they are a bit pricey, like everything near an airplane. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/switchbox08-15733.php?clickkey=1210647 On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM OK Don wrote: > There are cell phone controlled switches for turning on aircraft engine > heaters remotely in the win

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There are cell phone controlled switches for turning on aircraft engine heaters remotely in the winter. You could use one of those to power a DPST latching relay that could turn the water heater on and off as needed. On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 3:16 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> w

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Years ago my parents agreed to have the elecrical utility install a device on their outdoor AC compressor unit, so that the utility could remotely cut the power during high-demand times. I never noticed it having any effect, so either a) it didn't work; b) it was never activated; or c) it was util

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Interestingly, I did some research only to find out that the industry has established a standard (CTA-2045) for the connectivity of water heaters, boilers, etc., but initial research shows that control of such devices doesn’t suggest that the investment is worth the effort. I found a bunch of p

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're > not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in > advance of our arrival. Honestly that seems like needless complexity for something rarely if ever needed. How often do y

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Mine isn’t “smart” in that it’s an IOT device, no. It does have a socket for some sort of module for a utility to “talk” to it to make it shut off or turn it down, however. I never investigated those functions as my utility doesn’t offer them. Maybe if one got one of the modules you could do tha

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A sort of dehumidifier too right? Is yours "smart"? I'm wondering if I could turn ours off when we're not there and then tell it to heat water via the app a day or so in advance of our arrival. -Curt On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 2:14:34 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: And just to

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And just to clarify, it’s a little heat pump that just sits on top of the tank, hence the height that these units have. That and it dups cold air as a product of the operation, so in climates like mine, it acts as a sort of air conditioner in my garage. -D > On Jun 6, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Dan Pen

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A hybrid water heater uses a heat pump, just like you would have on a house, to extract heat from the surrounding atmosphere and use it to heat the water. Very efficient compared to a resistive heating element. My hybrid water heater costs about $150-$200/year to operate, if that. Compare that

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > I also discovered that Maine has a $750 rebate on a hybrid hot water heater. What is a "hybrid" water heater? Gas and electric? Solar and something else? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://ww

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The weather station in my camp says the low temp for last year was -33.5F and it was a mild winter. I can't imagine living in that old house with almost zero insulation in the kitchen: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SJhtWSRmthvz8ix16 that's an exterior wall, less than an inch of wood between the ins

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Only snowflakes need hot water. Be a real man! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >  Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm > supposed to buy. > Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the

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Going back and looking at the rebate again yours is the exact model I'm supposed to buy. Also I was wrong about how long I had to do it, I thought the rebate ran until the end of July, its actually the end of June. Might have to make a quick unscheduled trip up north. One thing that concerns me

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Mine does as well. Functionally, they’re no doubt very similar. https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-O-Smith-Signature-Premier-50-Gallon-Tall-10-year-Limited-4500-Watt-Double-Element-Electric-Water-Heater-with-Hybrid-Heat-Pump/1000213655

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At least for now it'll be a summer house only so I don't forsee any problem. At -33F (last winter's coldest temp) it might have an issue but there is a basement wood stove we could potentially fire up if we decided to live there full time. It was 50F in the basement last week when it was 60F u

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I would research this heavily, as one of the things I saw when I was looking into them was complaints from people in northern climes who mistakenly installed these in unheated areas of the house that ultimately discovered they were horribly inefficient if the ambient air temps dropped below a ce

[MBZ] OT: Water heater

So one great story I got out of the trip up north. About 30 years ago Caldon thought that the electric water heater was "too expensive" to run so he shut it off. Yeah, think about that one for a second, he lived for 30 years with no hot water. "If I wanted hot water I put a pan on the stove." he

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Can someone provide info about a different old water heater? Old GE water heater with 4 calrod elements around outside of tank. I searched several years ago for calrod and could not find any available. Is calrod for old water heaters no longer available? Thanks. mao __

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Probably because things like the motor in the dryer run on 120V and only the heating elements run on 240V. So, in the HWT there are no 120V items as someone previously noted and the white neutral is not needed. I used to repair rental HWT for Ontario Hydro out at the lake back in the early 1

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Dan Penoff wrote: As for the lack of use of the neutral, most 240VAC appliances, such as dryers and water heaters, have neutral bars for landing the neutral in the appliance. It may or may not be bonded to ground depending on local and state codes. I believe most dryers have 120v powered ti

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In the electrical/generator business when we are pulling multiple 4/0 conductors (or larger) cable identification is done with colored 3M electrical tape in multiple locations. Since tape can come off during a pull, especially a long one with a lot of wire lube, you mark the conductors as best

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On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:27:23 -0400 Mitch Haley wrote: > I'm installing my electric heater (switching from natural draft propane > water heater) with a disconnect box and 10/2 wire. I suppose I should > do something to tint the end of the white wire red. Wish I had some red > heat shrink handy. A

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I had some 10-3 wire, just capped the neutral at the WH box, have it connected to the neutral bar in the disconnect. On yours just use a marker pen or some red tape. --R On 5/24/13 10:27 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: The new one I just put in has no neutral (white) connection,

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Rich Thomas wrote: The new one I just put in has no neutral (white) connection, only red and black to give the 220V between the two hots. Some (most?) inspectors interpret the code to say 4 conductors are needed for all 240v appliances, but on something like a water heater that makes no use of

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The new one I just put in has no neutral (white) connection, only red and black to give the 220V between the two hots. --R On 5/23/13 8:47 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Let's start with the basics. 1.) You should have three big wires going into the water heater - red, black, white and possibly a gre

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I touched the voltmeter to one terminal on the element and then to ground and I got 120V. Is this the correct way to check for power to the element? Not at all. Also why aren't the lights on the load controller on? Because it's not getting any power? Water heaters, the common kind, run on

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Clarification: Is the element connected to anything when you are measuring it? If not, the element is probably good, as your meter probably isn't accurate enough to measure low resistances. Otherwise, make sure everything is disconnected from the element before you attempt to measure. Dan

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The reading across both terminals on the element is zero. So maybe I have a bad breaker? Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > You should have 220V across the two terminals of the element. Either side to > ground will give you 120 even if one side is open

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On May 23, 2013, at 8:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > Ok I'm a dummy when it comes to electrical troubleshooting. I touched the > voltmeter to one terminal on the element and then to ground and I got 120V. > Is this the correct way to check for power to the element? > > Also why aren't th

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On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:41:18 -0600 Craig wrote: > On Thu, 23 May 2013 20:11:51 -0400 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I checked resistance of the element and it is ok-12.8 ohms. So the new > > one is not bad. > E^2 > The amount of powe

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On Thu, 23 May 2013 20:11:51 -0400 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > I checked resistance of the element and it is ok-12.8 ohms. So the new > one is not bad. E^2 The amount of power your element will take is shown by P = -

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You should have 220V across the two terminals of the element. Either side to ground will give you 120 even if one side is open on the 22V circuit. You should have a double breaker or two fuses on a 22V circuit, and if one fuse is bad or one contact in the breaker is bad, you only have 12

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Ok I'm a dummy when it comes to electrical troubleshooting. I touched the voltmeter to one terminal on the element and then to ground and I got 120V. Is this the correct way to check for power to the element? Also why aren't the lights on the load controller on? Sent from my iPhone On May 23,

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off" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Water Heater issue Sure the load controller isn't something from your utility? We used to have them here on water heaters and AC units, but they stopped offering the service ab

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I checked resistance of the element and it is ok-12.8 ohms. So the new one is not bad. Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > That load controller is the power company's way of telling you to take a cold > shower. I had one and it kept screwing with the auto c

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Or there is enough crud in the bottom that the element overheats, not being in water and having the heat removed from it. Happens a lot here, we have HARD water. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

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That load controller is the power company's way of telling you to take a cold shower. I had one and it kept screwing with the auto controller on my fairly new WH, so I just bypassed it and took it off the wall, and the WH does just fine now. I just put in another WH in my addition, same type

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Sure the load controller isn't something from your utility? We used to have them here on water heaters and AC units, but they stopped offering the service about 5 years ago. Not sure why. I still have one on the AC unit in my house, but it's in failsafe mode - I disabled the circuit that acti

[MBZ] OT: Water Heater issue

OK here's the deal. It's an old Sepco Hydrastone electric water heater. It's not leaking. It just won't heat up. Over the past four years, I've replaced the heating element twice and it fixed the problem. Today, I did the same but it won't get hot. There are a couple of weird things about the s