Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move

This was in January of 2001. Rebuild the tranny - $1160 Rebuilt TC - $210 Labor (including steering idler arm kit, and an alignment) - $540 Warranty was 90 days or 4,000 miles. On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's their warranty? > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman,

Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move

oh Luther wrote: > That's what the block is for. > > On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:48:32 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Geez, its going thru oil that fast? Its got problems. >> >> Luther wrote: >>> I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil ever

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That's what the block is for. On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:48:32 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Geez, its going thru oil that fast? Its got problems. > > Luther wrote: >> I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 >> miles is killing me. >>

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Geez, its going thru oil that fast? Its got problems. Luther wrote: > I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 > miles is killing me. > > On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:55 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Combination of factors obviously. The co

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But the issue with Rusty's rebuild is the serious warranty record. 2 year unlimited mileage warranty, and Rusty has not had one returned yet. That's serious Luther On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:06:31 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Best of both worlds. Buy the used one and put i

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List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move My thoughts exactly. I'm going to rebuild a OM617, but I'm not ready for a tranny yet. Kaleb's offer on the used transmission is VERY tempting I intend to keep the car for a very long timeso, I'm not sure yet. -- Luther

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What's their warranty? On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:40:58 -0500, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have a pro MB tranny rebuilder in town - cost is about the same as > one from Rusty. You pay either way. > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I get the idea

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I am desperate for this car The coupe and it's 1qt oil every 150-200 miles is killing me. On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:06:55 -0500, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Combination of factors obviously. The cost of the kit is minimal compared to > a new tranny. Some of the tools can > lik

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My thoughts exactly. I'm going to rebuild a OM617, but I'm not ready for a tranny yet. Kaleb's offer on the used transmission is VERY tempting I intend to keep the car for a very long timeso, I'm not sure yet. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F

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We have a pro MB tranny rebuilder in town - cost is about the same as one from Rusty. You pay either way. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I get the idea that a typical clutch and seal kit won't have whatever > busted in the governor of Luther's tranny. Som

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I get the idea that a typical clutch and seal kit won't have whatever busted in the governor of Luther's tranny. Some professional tranny rebuilders got an education going through a 190dt last year, and the car was sold on eBay last week, only able to move in reverse. Mitch. R A Bennell wrote:

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Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move Having rebuilt domestic transmissions, I would caution one against doing this. The investment in time and tools doesn't work out compared to buying a reman from Rusty, not to mention the downtime. And what happens when you get it instal

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Having rebuilt domestic transmissions, I would caution one against doing this. The investment in time and tools doesn't work out compared to buying a reman from Rusty, not to mention the downtime. And what happens when you get it installed and it doesn't work? Just my $0.02... Dan --- R A Be

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Oops, I got Luther's tranny confused with Kaleb's engine. I wonder if luther could get a complete tailshaft housing with governor cheaply from somebody like Kaleb. Mitch Haley wrote: > > R A Bennell wrote: > > > > Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits are available. > > What's a

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R A Bennell wrote: > > Have you thought about re-building it yourself? Kits are available. What's a Mahle sleeve kit go for these days, $200-300 a hole? I think I recall Kaleb saying something about oil consumption on a trip and then the car wouldn't restart. That could mean everything that mov

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kiebenz.com > Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:11 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But why no reverse > > > > If you are real lucky, the filter droppe

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I dont know. You probably want to spend more money anyway Luther wrote: > Who rebuilt it? > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:45:02 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> It was rebuilt not too long before installed in the car from which it >> was removed. >> >> Luther wrote: >>> Te

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Apr 2008 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move Yup, fluid was normal and nothing solid in the bottom of the pan. The filter was on tight also. Did you see the diagnosis from my MBCA tech advisor? Luther On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:54:21 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > &g

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the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system > > You've had the trans pan off already?? I must have missed that. > > Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent:

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Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bub

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Who rebuilt it? On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:45:02 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was rebuilt not too long before installed in the car from which it > was removed. > > Luther wrote: >> Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? >> >> On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600,

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It was rebuilt not too long before installed in the car from which it was removed. Luther wrote: > Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? > > On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will

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Tempting does it have less than 100kmi on it? On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:23:03 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot > cheaper. > > Luther wrote: >> Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D >>

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no, but I will give you a 30 day warranty and it will be a hell of a lot cheaper. Luther wrote: > Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D > > Luther > > On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> buy a used one >> >> Luther wrote:

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Will you give me a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty? :D Luther On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:01:22 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > buy a used one > > Luther wrote: >> So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is >> tranny rebuild time. It's a bad

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buy a used one Luther wrote: > So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is > tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the > speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping > when the cruise just "quit". Ug

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So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping when the cruise just "quit". Ugh. Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 s

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Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon Luther On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > But why no reverse > > > > If you are real lucky, th

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the > rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system But why no speedometer? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buym

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In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K mile

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that is strange. Luther wrote: > But why no reverse > > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:18:08 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> did those have b2 piston problems? >> >> Luther wrote: >>> Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! >>> >>> On Thu, 03 Apr

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My K30 chevy lost its torque converter bolts. When the last one went, it was somewhat similar, though the last bolt hit the bottom of the bellhousing and stopped the engine. You should see the crack :) On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 05:19:48PM -0600, Luther wrote: > But why no reverse _

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But why no reverse On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:18:08 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > did those have b2 piston problems? > > Luther wrote: >> Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! >> >> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Shouldn't, but since he didn't have reverse, that should rule that out, no? I'm expecting badness in the pan when he drops it. On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 04:18:08PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > did those have b2 piston problems? > > Luther wrote: > > Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no

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did those have b2 piston problems? Luther wrote: > Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! > > On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired >> up the engine (after

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Fluid drained fine, nice bright red and no contamination. UGH!!! On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:25:17 -0600, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired > up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid > dow

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sounds like tranny problems, and not simple ones Luther wrote: > Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired > up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid > down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning > toge

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Update. The fluid was still about 1/2 pint low. Added this amount. Fired up the engine (after several hours of charging the dead battery) and laid down to check the torque converter. The flywheel and tc are spinning together. Ugh. Next, I loosened one of the cooler lines to check the front

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General rule of thumb is that if a box slowly dies it needs a rebuild but if it just stops working then it is a fault that can sometimes be easily fixed but won't be cheap because most times the box still has to come out of the car. Hendrik Kevin wrote: > Pretty much. I'd check fluid level fir

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In a message dated 4/2/2008 2:21:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? TransAdapt and Kennedy are two big makers of custom transmission adapters. You can put the six speed from th

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Only money. :-) Ed 300E > > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to > Mercedes engines? Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > - > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost

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ght have something good. > IE the reason that the manual is no good is because the turbo spools up > too slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes > away... > > -Curt > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:30:44 -0700 > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <

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> Jim in Phoenix > > > -Original Message- > From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 7:25 pm > Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move > > > > The tach works like normal...throttle response is norm

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Might want to be careful with that. Many insurance plans that have tow coverage on them will file a claim against the policy if you use the tow portion. This will in turn look just like any other claim on insurance and raise your premium. Better off just paying a tow truck or getting AAA Luth

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The rear pump is not enough to run the tranny, it will only serve to tow start and provide emergency lubrication in the event the car has to be towed somewhere. Tony Wirtel wrote: >> You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If >> you were coasting, it might have dropp

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Yes hence the email I sent earlier about the CRD adapter. Not much you can do on an om617 other than increase fuel, intercool and a better turbo. A manual transmission will always have better pull off the line all the way to second gear, its the lag in between gears that kills you if you are a slow

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On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marshall always said a manual trans in a turbo car was a mistake as it would > be a dog off the line. > I'm wondering though if you combined a good 5 or 6 speed manual with a > GT2056V turbo you might have something go

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p too slowly, fix that problem and your reason to not have a manual trans goes away... -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:30:44 -0700 From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMA

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Maybe a T5 world class would be OK. I figured if I were going to the trouble of making or sourcing a bellhousing and finding a clutch disk that would work, and adapting the linkages, I'd spend a little more for a T56. It has one more gear, is much stronger, and only weighs 20-30lb more. Alex Cha

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On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My 78 240D did that a couple of years ago. Ended up installing a used > tranny. It's times like this that makes me REALLY want a manual tranny - > B2 perhaps? > > What would it take, I wonder, to adapt a modern manual trans to

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which tranny series had an external band bolt that backed out, making the trans inoperative? Jim in Phoenix -Original Message- From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move The tach works

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Previous owner put probably 80k on it, and I probably put about 70k on it. Rough figures, and yes, it had synthetic from when the PO put it in and was taken care of, but the PO had a bit of a heavy foot, as do I... If it was a car I was going to have for a while (meaning not swap the trans so I co

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I'm going to call my insurance and have them tow the car to my house (gotta make use of the premium somehow...) and do some diagnosis tomorrow morning/afternoon. Luther, hoping for a quietly damaged flex disk -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250

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You put 150K on a transmission from Rusty? That a pretty good recommendation for Rustys rebuilt transmissions if that's the case. Gerry --- From: "Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Pretty much. I'd check fluid level first, then probably drop the pan and > look for

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I would guess that there's a problem in the tranny tail cone. It seems like this would explain the sudden drop in the speedo when the tail shaft stopped turning interrupting the cruise signal which, in turn, caused the engine to drop to idle. Wouldn't it be cool if it was something that easy?

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> Well the speedo gets it's speed from a cable attached to the back of > the > gearbox, not sure about the tacho but the gut feeling is that something > is broke in the box but it may not be. The 126 speedometer is electronic. No mechanical cable at all. -- Jim ___

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Pretty much. I'd check fluid level first, then probably drop the pan and look for badness sitting in the pan. Don't worry, at least these transmissions are a pain to swap out without a lift. Rusty sells rebuilds (and the one in my 87 300D seemed fine after 150k or so miles), that failing, you're

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> You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If > you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should > have raced the engine. > > The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear > failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline

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ohhh, you got other bigger problems then. Will it go in reverse? Luther wrote: > It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SD

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In a message dated 4/1/2008 7:35:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seems like if you shifted into neutral at speed, the cruise would kick off but the speedo would keep working, so I think the mechanical problem is between the speedo drive gear on the tailshaft and

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You must have lifted your foot -- the engine will race otherwise. If you were coasting, it might have dropped, but with the CC it should have raced the engine. The speedometer dropping to zero might indicate that the drive gear failed, but it should keep reading if the driveline is turning

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Well the speedo gets it's speed from a cable attached to the back of the gearbox, not sure about the tacho but the gut feeling is that something is broke in the box but it may not be. Hendrik Peter Frederick wrote: > You have a blown fuse, I think, that's why the tach and speedo quit > (both

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Luther wrote: > > If something (pump/clutch band/etc) went in the transmission, wouldn't the > engine have raced/flared instead of just dropping from 3000rpm to idle? Were you driving on the cruise control? Perhaps the drivetrain disengaged, like a blown flex disk or diff disentigration (seems

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If something (pump/clutch band/etc) went in the transmission, wouldn't the engine have raced/flared instead of just dropping from 3000rpm to idle? The tach/engine dropped to 700rpm the same instant the speedo dropped to zero. The tach responds to throttle activity just like normal. -- Luther

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The tach works like normal...throttle response is normal. When the speedo dropped to zero, the tach dropped to idle. The problem seems mechanicalhow else would the tranny not go into any gear? Luther, dreading a trans rebuild -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) hea

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You have a blown fuse, I think, that's why the tach and speedo quit (both are electrical). Also, you have have a dead OVP. However, the transmission is completely mechanical, and if the engine is actually running (I assume it is and that the tach just quit), you have lost the pump in the tr

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So, why would the tach drop to zero if the engine was still running, and the speedo go to zero if you were still moving? Sounds electrical to me. Is the cruise control still thinking you need to be stopped? Un-plug the CC amp --- ? On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

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It revs if I give it fuel It's like it's stuck in neutral. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting "K

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I will give you $500 for it. Will it rev up if you give it fuel? If not, the little plastic linkage on the side of the IP popped off Luther - laptop wrote: > I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the > speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I

[MBZ] SDL won't move

I was driving down the interstate, had the cruise set, and suddenly the speedometer dropped to zero and the tach dropped to idle. I coasted to a stop and checked the fluid, it was toward the bottom of the add mark, so I added about 1 pint of fluid. Still no forward OR reverse gears. There