Re: [MBZ] auto safety information sources?

2017-05-10 Thread clay via Mercedes
I could see this coming based on the POS W220. I was talking to a fellow as we were scavenging a 560SEL. We agreed that the new cars are junk and that we do not trust self driving cars. The yard had a bunch of Mercedes Bents. Really creased and bent. Many of them are not all that busted

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2017-05-09 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
It's ridiculous Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2017, at 5:40 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > They still make the ML - but re-named it in the great let's confuse > everyone re-naming scheme. > *W163; 1997–2005* > *W164; 2005–2011* > *W166; 2011–present the GLE* > *https://en.wikipedia.org/

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2017-05-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That's because they are pseudo-science . . . On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > You don't see that in sociology or psychology. They usually have to > manipulate the data to get p < 0.05. > > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudic

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2017-05-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Only in the potomac swamps. Go fer it! Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes May 9, 2017 at 3:57 PM So if someone wants to buy my car, I'll tell him to pay me double, because that would make it twice as safe. ___ http://www.okiebenz

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2017-05-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
They still make the ML - but re-named it in the great let's confuse everyone re-naming scheme. *W163; 1997–2005* *W164; 2005–2011* *W166; 2011–present the GLE* *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M-Class * On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:26 P

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2017-05-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
You don't see that in sociology or psychology. They usually have to manipulate the data to get p < 0.05. Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: (p< 0.0001) That abstract makes a pretty good case for a 126. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiv

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2017-05-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
When did they stop making them? I’ve seen a lot of them around here pretty cheap, and I don’t think they were the older models. -D > On May 9, 2017, at 5:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > Ah - sounds like you need an ML - the full time four wheel drive ws really > impressive (to me) in t

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2017-05-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
It's nicer to drive around town in than a truck. If you want mass, height, MB safety - it has them all. On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Maybe so. I was not thinking SUV, since I have the truck, but maybe. . . > > RB > > > On 09/05/2017

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2017-05-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Maybe so. I was not thinking SUV, since I have the truck, but maybe. . . RB On 09/05/2017 4:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Ah - sounds like you need an ML - the full time four wheel drive ws really impressive (to me) in the ice and snow, it weighs around 5000 pounds, and is short enough that

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2017-05-09 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Ah - sounds like you need an ML - the full time four wheel drive ws really impressive (to me) in the ice and snow, it weighs around 5000 pounds, and is short enough that's no problem to drive in town. All the early quality control issues have long since been taken care of, etc. On Tue, May 9, 2017

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2017-05-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
And, if you want to continue being silly, you can install concrete floor mats to raise the weight so it is safer and thus more valuable again. RB On 09/05/2017 3:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: So if someone wants to buy my car, I'll tell him to pay me double, because that would m

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2017-05-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
+1 > On May 9, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > So if someone wants to buy my car, I'll tell him to pay me double, because > that would make it twice as safe. > > On May 9, 2017 4:51 PM, "Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> https://phys.org/news/2015-05-h

Re: [MBZ] auto safety information sources?

2017-05-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
So if someone wants to buy my car, I'll tell him to pay me double, because that would make it twice as safe. On May 9, 2017 4:51 PM, "Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes" wrote: > https://phys.org/news/2015-05-heavier-pricier-vehicles-safer.html > > https://phys.org/news/2015-01-vehicle-highest-lowest-d

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2017-05-09 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
https://phys.org/news/2015-05-heavier-pricier-vehicles-safer.html https://phys.org/news/2015-01-vehicle-highest-lowest-death.html#nRlv http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/dangerous-information-about-crash-safety On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

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2017-05-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Very good Karl. RB On 09/05/2017 3:28 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: 163 The Effect of Vehicle Type, Weight, and Price on Personal Injury Claims as an Indicator of Vehicle Safety Dietrich Jehle1, Beric Berlioz1, Andrew Walton2, Joseph Consiglio1, and Jessica Strauss1 1SUNY@Buffalo, Buff

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2017-05-09 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
163 The Effect of Vehicle Type, Weight, and Price on Personal Injury Claims as an Indicator of Vehicle Safety Dietrich Jehle1, Beric Berlioz1, Andrew Walton2, Joseph Consiglio1, and Jessica Strauss1 1SUNY@Buffalo, Buffalo, NY; 2Liberty University, Lynchburg, VA Background: Dying in an automotive ac

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2017-05-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I would look to the insurance industry for safety info; they base their rates on real info, not opinions. If they get it wrong, they go out of business. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anyone have any

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2017-05-09 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Yup! Plus there is the decades of MB design of the safety cage. As far as I know, they invented it. I was going to suggest replacing the hondog with an F350. The laws of Physics are just that LAW. Not like (J) pols who don't know what the definition of IS is. The laws of physics are immuta

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2017-05-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Yes, my thoughts too. I cannot and do not want to drive around in a dump truck but I would still like a bit more car around me than the Honda Civic offers. I would love to swap my 300D for an early 80's 300SD but that becomes more difficult with time. There are fewer of them that are not worn ou

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2017-05-09 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Correct. P=MV P1=P2 (in an inelastic collision, real world you must consider energy absorbed, which is to some extent related to M and design) But that also doesn't account for the factors you mentioned, like placement of gas tanks, etc. In any case I would rather be driving something bigg

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2017-05-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Did you see that link to the Jalopnik article on the cost to repair newer cars' safety systems, and how it was causing a lot of them to be totaled even after a minor accident as a result? Mass is always going to be on your side. If you’re in a Prius and you go up against a soccer mom in an SUV

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2017-05-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCecdOBCFjI Sometimes your assumptions are wrong. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Randy Bennell Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:56 AM Subject: [MBZ] auto safety information sources? Anyone have any good

[MBZ] auto safety information sources?

2017-05-09 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Anyone have any good suggestions on researching auto safety records? I have been looking online but it seems to be more difficult than it ought to be. I keep coming up with information on new vehicles but little on used ones. The powers that be want me to believe that a tiny new car is safer