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The article actually covers revisionists of various political types. Of course people in more populous states will tend to feel put out by the Senate. But the fundamental changes in population distribution since the document was written are rather profound, as the piece states. I rather enjoyed hi

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The NIH question is germane to the central discussion of whether the government should fund research on anything not expressly laid out in the constitution, e.g. solar power, and why or why not. On Jul 3, 2017 6:19 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: who started the tangent with NIH funding?

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> On July 3, 2017 at 9:09 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > FYI since the constutution's relevance to government subsidies came up, an > interesting article Toobin wrote back in 2013. Interesting to read today: > > http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/09/our-broken-constitution

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who started the tangent with NIH funding? Paraphrasing Winston Churchill: those who, in their youth, are not liberal, have no heart. Those who, in maturity, are not conservative, have no brain Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: Public support for solar energy is at least tangentially rel

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Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl > Wittnebel via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 6:03 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz com > Cc: Karl Wittnebel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again) > > Let me get this straight.

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alf Of Karl > Wittnebel via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 6:03 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz com > Cc: Karl Wittnebel > Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again) > > Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be funding > biomedical research, becaus

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Can I get an "AMEN?" fmiser via Mercedes July 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM Karl wrote: Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be funding biomedical research, because of a document written in the 18th century? YES! No matter when it was writte

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I see the reality. Just drove by a huge concrete plant in the middle of nothing but fields. Then I saw a driveway freshly cut into a field, them more of them. Soon dozens of these fields look like crop circles where they are going to plant hundreds of new wind turbines paid for with billions

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> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > The federal government spends money on lots of things that > > > are not immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role > > > of the governmen > > Curley wrote: > > > > Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers > > the

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"Curley" lives in the no. 1 wind power state. How come you're so anti-renewable? On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curley wrote: > > Even the illegal drug market is distorted by goobers. > > More ECONOMICS... correction. > The goobers OW

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Curley wrote: > Even the illegal drug market is distorted by goobers. More ECONOMICS... correction. The goobers OWN the illegal drug market... according to some conspiracy folk. These days the History channel documentary is exposing this to the masses. Interesting stuff that even back in to the

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Curt Raymond July 1, 2017 at 8:03 AM What part of the constitution instructs the government to collect data on your phone usage? NONE! What part authorizes Air Force 1? What part tells our government to have the largest military on the planet? AH! THERE you hav

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Oooh, can we apply that to military pork? -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Meade Dillon Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again) Correct, they should not fund NIH, unless it can be done constitutionally

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via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again) Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers the federal goobermnt to do this? Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

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Because the government NEVER does ANYTHING to prop up the oil industry right? -Curt From: Curley McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again) Bzzt!  Sol

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Correct, they should not fund NIH, unless it can be done constitutionally under the heading of national security / defense. Anything other spending should probably require a national referendum vote to approve the funding, which expires annually and requires another national referendum vote to re-

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Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be funding biomedical research, because of a document written in the 18th century? On Jul 1, 2017 1:56 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers the federal goobermnt to do thi

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Yes, the point I am making is that it is proper for the government to subsidize technology development. On Jul 1, 2017 1:59 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: What 'lektrick car is on the market that is not subsidized or incentivized by some gooberment? You are making my point that it is

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What 'lektrick car is on the market that is not subsidized or incentivized by some gooberment? You are making my point that it is NOT market forces that are putting Lektrick cars on the market. Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes July 1, 2017 at 3:28 AM I think lithium

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Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers the federal goobermnt to do this? Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: The federal government spends money on lots of things that are not immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role of the government. All powers not specifical

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I think lithium batteries and better battery management software are the major difference now. On Jun 30, 2017 9:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" wrote: > Andrew, I think there have been electric cars almost as long as there have > been gasoline engine cars. Google knows all. > > http://www.p

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The federal government spends money on lots of things that are not immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role of the government. Computers, lasers, the internet, gps, etc. Much of this is done by funding basic science through NIH, a bunch by funding defense work by the Navy and Darpa, and

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Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Whoops, I was wrong, electric cars have been around almost 200 years! If electric cars haven't taken over in the last 100 years, I would not be inclined to bet that they'll make the big move in the next 100. +1Particularly, if the markets are allowed to wor

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Huzzah! rogerhga--- via Mercedes June 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM I can't believe you guys are missing the obvious. The energy answer is the "flux capacitor". We can convert garbage to energyand we all know we have way too much garbage in this world. Or maybe the me

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Bzzt! Solar and wind are NOT sustainable without the goobermnt robbing us to prop up wind and solar. Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Solar and wind are part of a sustainable mix and will make our non-renewable energy sources last much longer but they aren't the whole answer. OTOH people who

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No, Andrew, the MARKET did NOT speak. The GOOBERS in the GOOBERMNT spoke, and threw, and are throwing billions of illegally taken taxpayer Dollars to support economically unfeasible solar and wind. For example, Tesla: Most of the cost of production is goobermnt money. (Not to mention solend

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Uh oh! No trigger warning before providing truth! M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes June 30, 2017 at 4:20 AM http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/solar-industrys-new-dirty-secret/ *It’s no secret

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Interesting LA Times artice balancing solar against conventional power sources. Part at the end re: the perverse incentives of power utilities to build more plants because they can then charge more per kWh, is interesting: http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-solar/ On Fri, Jun 30, 2

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Andrew wrote: > The trend toward solar and wind is overwhelming. That is all government statistical manipulation that does not factor the tax benefits to large corporations, etc. Centralized energy production and distribution is a dead design principle since environment affects resource mining pra

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Andrew, I think there have been electric cars almost as long as there have been gasoline engine cars. Google knows all. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html Whoops, I was wrong, electric cars have been around almost 200 years! If electric cars haven't taken over in the la

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I can't believe you guys are missing the obvious. The energy answer is the "flux capacitor". We can convert garbage to energyand we all know we have way too much garbage in this world. Or maybe the methanol out of landfills and convert it to synthetic diesel. Or maybe something that hasn't b

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ding themselves. As with most things the answer is in the middle. There is no silver bullet. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Meade Dillon Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

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ot; will solve all our problems are also deluding themselves. As with most things the answer is in the middle. There is no silver bullet. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Meade Dillon Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:50 AM

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Meade, by now the market place has spoken. The trend toward solar and wind is overwhelming. This doesn't mean that gas cars will be phased out overnight but the writing is on the wall. On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Karl I do hope

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Karl I do hope you are correct, and the breakthroughs needed to fulfill the dream of that article arrive tomorrow. Decades ago I learned the reason that solar is doomed to a small percentage of our energy production: physics. Per square meter, the amount of usable energy in sunlight is many order

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/solar-industrys-new-dirty-secret/ *It’s no secret that manufacturing solar panels often requires toxic heavy metals, explosive gases, and rare-earth elements that come from shod

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The transmission point is addressed in the article. Yes solar power takes space, but there are lots of rooftops. As for acres we did the math on a half section, and solar is a much better return than farming, with no yearly capital or labor input. As for pure electrics, fewer moving parts is alwa

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All it requires is half my roof, and for 6 months of the year Pepco pays ME. On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Easy, the Lektrojuicity comes from the sky and the wind by majik! no > fuel is burned to make the majik converters. The w

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Easy, the Lektrojuicity comes from the sky and the wind by majik! no fuel is burned to make the majik converters. The wind/lektrick grabbers grow from the ground. the sun-juice does not require thousands of acres of solar panels, it just appears in the wires! Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

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It is also not grounded in reality. Where does the electricity come from? How does it get from point of generation to point of charging / powering the electric cars? I guess that a miracle from God must be involved somewhere... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Ka

[MBZ] big oil dying (again)

I found this interesting, if a bit hyperbolic: shift.newco.co/this-is-how-big-oil-will-die-38b843bd4fe0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.c