Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-10 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Well the electrolysis is going well. Left the tank in overnight, >> and all the rust appears to be converted, and the paint that had >> rust bubbles under it is now very loose and easily scrapes off >> revealing shiny steel underneath. > > It's nearly mir

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-10 Thread Jim Cathey
> Well the electrolysis is going well. Left the tank in overnight, and > all the rust appears to be converted, and the paint that had rust > bubbles under it is now very loose and easily scrapes off revealing > shiny steel underneath. It's nearly miraculous, isn't it? I love it. -- Jim __

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
Well the electrolysis is going well. Left the tank in overnight, and all the rust appears to be converted, and the paint that had rust bubbles under it is now very loose and easily scrapes off revealing shiny steel underneath. Only problem is that the poly sheeting I am using to line the crate ha

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-08 Thread dave walton
y > > - Original Message - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal... > > >> Sodium carbonate >> ht

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-08 Thread harry watkins
Thanks Dave, I think the club house swimming pool uses that stuff, I'll check it out. Harry - Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ho

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-08 Thread dave walton
oda, just what is it? Is it Tide? > > Thanks > Harry > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to know when

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-08 Thread harry watkins
Jim, when you say you got washing soda, just what is it? Is it Tide? Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is te

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-08 Thread Jim Cathey
> I figured I'd just leave all the openings "open" and let the solution > fill it all up. Might convert any internal rust that way, though > probably not much unless I hang an anode inside the tank. None at all without an anode. > Then rinse well after it's done, and let it dry in > the sun. I'

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-08 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Don't forget that your tank will want to start to float unless you > sink it. If you cork its bottom fitting(s) you can fill it with > plain water instead of solution. I figured I'd just leave all the openings "open" and let the solution fill it all up.

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-07 Thread Jim Cathey
> Nailed up a crate that will hold the tank > with a few inches of clear space all the way around. > By my calculations the box will hold about 80 gallons of water. Don't forget to subtract the volume of the fuel tank! > I bought a 1 lb bottle of lye (NaOH). Maybe 1/4 cup will do. Even when I f

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-07 Thread Curt Raymond
wrap it so it doesn't accidentally release suspicious white powder... -Curt Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:21:40 -0400 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal... To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Co

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-07 Thread Allan Streib
OK -- went out to the shed and pulled out some old lumber that the PO of the house left here. Nailed up a crate that will hold the tank with a few inches of clear space all the way around. My plan is to line this box with heavy poly tarp to do the electrolysis. By my calculations the box will ho

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-07 Thread R A Bennell
changing the story instead of responding really but couldn't resist given the subject line My sister in law has pushed the limits on rust on more than one car. She has had a couple of Mazda 626's - 70's vintage of some sort - good when new but rusty when old. With the blue one, she called h

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-06 Thread Allan Streib
"John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Allan Streib wrote: > > OK this is the second time I've seen this reference to a wading pool and > > a battery charger. I asked about it the first time and don't recall > > seeing a response. So, how does this work? I clip the positive lead of > > the

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-06 Thread dave walton
http://www.stovebolt.com/techtips/rust/electrolytic_derusting.htm . Google turns up a bunch of links. You also need a chunk of metal to serve as the anode (positive). The negative wire goes on the thing you are de-rusting. The rust dissolves into the water. It starts happening immediately. You wi

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-06 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: > OK this is the second time I've seen this reference to a wading pool and > a battery charger. I asked about it the first time and don't recall > seeing a response. So, how does this work? I clip the positive lead of > the charger to the tank, and toss the negative lead in t

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-06 Thread Allan Streib
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Electrolysis is your friend. Use a small wading pool with a dilute > solution of washing soda, lye, or baking soda and a battery charger. > It's the only way to make sure you get all the rust off. In my younger > years I used fiberglass and epoxy to reinfo

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-06 Thread dave walton
Electrolysis is your friend. Use a small wading pool with a dilute solution of washing soda, lye, or baking soda and a battery charger. It's the only way to make sure you get all the rust off. In my younger years I used fiberglass and epoxy to reinforce the rusted tank on my 59 VW Beetle. Did not h

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Allan Streib
Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is that an MB tank? Your 300D tank should be well protected from > rust. > > Assuming it is something else, as long as it doesn not leak, you are > probably ok to de-scale it and paint it with por 15. No it is for a VW. "New" tanks are available but I'v

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Cathey
> of original metal left. However perhaps forming under the paint the > rust sort of swells and looks like a lot more than it is. Anyone have > experience with this? Rust is much thicker than the iron it cames from. > I think I need to get all this rust off or Yes. > I'm thinking of trying a

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread LarryT
uesday, August 05, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal... > I'm trying to restore a gas tank. The little sandblaster I bought was > just not up to the job. Luckily it was cheap -- so I'm back to > chipping and scraping. > > The rust is fl

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Curt Raymond
also need a better color match for the color coat. I'd get an angle grinder with a twisted wire wheel. Fill the tank with water and have at 'er... -Curt Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:36:58 -0400 From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is termin

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Loren Faeth
Is that an MB tank? Your 300D tank should be well protected from rust. Assuming it is something else, as long as it doesn not leak, you are probably ok to de-scale it and paint it with por 15. If it is your MB tank, I'd be inclined to buy a nice non-rusty one from K'lebster. At 05:22 PM 8/5/2

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Rich Thomas
If you use that POR15 stuff that binds with the rust will that seal it up without having to take it all off? --R Jay Slater wrote: > I seem to recall that rust ends up being several times the thickness of the > metal it took to make it. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you have to > take of

Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Jay Slater
I seem to recall that rust ends up being several times the thickness of the metal it took to make it. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you have to take off a lot of rust before you're in danger of holes. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm trying to

[MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-05 Thread Allan Streib
I'm trying to restore a gas tank. The little sandblaster I bought was just not up to the job. Luckily it was cheap -- so I'm back to chipping and scraping. The rust is flaky under the paint. Some of the pieces are stuck pretty well, but they will come off with hammering and chipping. I'm conce