Every used Mercedes should come with a free hammer.
On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 8:46 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> That list of improvements deserves a couple of Attaboys.
>
> Mitch.
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> > On December 4, 2018 at 12:20 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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That list of improvements deserves a couple of Attaboys.
Mitch.
> On December 4, 2018 at 12:20 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Finally got a hammer down there to bang on it. That did the trick!
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hacking it a couple times with a hammer.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
Short
Bravo! Now add "new solenoid" or new starter to your shopping list. You
may be able to get more life from this starter / solenoid by disassembly
and cleaning (note that the solenoid inner workings don't get grease or
oil, they are supposed to be dry).
Bosch makes the solenoids, they can be
>
> ATTABOY! :)
-MMM-
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;dead spots" or stuck brushes. Try
>> whacking it a couple times with a hammer.
>>
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>>> Wittnebel via Mercedes
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>>> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
>> also, and
>>> the behav
In my W123 wagon (1983) there is a plastic box in the engine bay which has
some screwed-tight wire connectors that can get loose. If so, the car will
not crank. Sorry I don't have the correct term for this or whether it even
applies to you but if it does, it is a cheap and easy fix.
On Mon, Dec
I’ve never tried it, but would and an inner tube work in the same manner? Place
under car, blow up with portable air compressor, place jack stands, get the
work done, remove.
Or just use a floor jack.
> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
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> Yes. Weirdly I
If it does not even click, but the lights dim, then what you have is a severe
battery _connection_ problem. The solenoid itself does not draw all that much
current, and should not affect lights at all. If the solenoid clicks, meaning
that
it has engaged the starting windings, and the lights
Unhook battery terminal(s) and the cable/wire at the starter
Take a floor jack and 2 jack stands or piles of blocks. Go under from
the front.
A couple layers of cardboard to lay on /slide on helps too.
small screw could be straight or phillips.
Big cable is 13mm
Bolts are 17mm, you will need a
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>>> Wittnebel via Mercedes
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Yes. Weirdly I have a starter in the garage that looks pretty new, so now I
just have to figure out now to not get run over on the street where it is
parked. And also how to get under the car; it is pretty low and has belly
pans. I always loved those inflatable bag things they used to use in the
g it a couple times with a hammer.
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> > Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 8:30 PM
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Thanks. It glows fine and started right up before I moved it down the
driveway. Problem is it will not crank.
On Dec 2, 2018 7:25 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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If this is a diesel did you rule out the glow plug relay and fuse?
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 9:03
Time for a new starter, methinks...
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Max
Charleston SC
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:30 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
> also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that
8:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
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> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car also,
> and
> the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car into and out of
> park and neu
If this is a diesel did you rule out the glow plug relay and fuse?
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> you need to jump the Big terminal (B+) at the solenoid to the little
> terminal on the side of the solenoid. If that does nothing, then
you need to jump the Big terminal (B+) at the solenoid to the little
terminal on the side of the solenoid. If that does nothing, then jump
the big B+ one to the bottom one, direct to the windings. If the first
does not start the car, and the starter turns (but won't engage) with
the
Good thought but jumping did not help
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Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start position
caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
also
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:22 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes <
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> M. Mitchell Marshall! Good one’
>
^.^ Thankee! I figured a tribute to the late Doktor Booth was in order.
-MMM-
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Have you tried to jump start?
On Dec 2, 2018 10:48 AM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
wrote:
> Yes, might simply be a really low battery, worth checking.
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> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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> On December 2, 2018 10:35:45 AM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes <
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M. Mitchell Marshall! Good one’
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:46 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
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> Yes, might simply be a really low battery, worth checking.
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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>> On December 2, 2018 10:35:45
Yes, might simply be a really low battery, worth checking.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
On December 2, 2018 10:35:45 AM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes
wrote:
>Did you ever check the battery voltage? Given that the car sat for a
>bit while you worked on it and then it sounds like
No fuse in starter circuit that I'm aware of. IIRC, power goes from battery to
key switch, to neutral safety switch, to solenoid (for the start signal).
There may be another switch or relay in there, little voice is telling me that
I've forgotten something, but I'm sure there is no fuse.
Wittnebel via Mercedes
Date: 2018-12-01 7:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To:
"mercedes@okiebenz com" Cc: Karl Wittnebel
Subject: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
Ok so I finally get the new vacuum booster line and brake light switch (fyi
daytona MB is crushing on prices for OE) anyway and the r129 dual
Those starters often fail by locking up completely when energized, at least
that's what has happened to all of mine from that era.
If you hear the solenoid engage when you turn the key, the starter motor will
need to be replaced. Not a terrible job, just get a long breaker bar to get
the
Sounds legit to me. If memory serves, high-draw items like starters tend
to have fusible links rather than fuses. It sounds as though you're
getting power to the starter. I'm gonna go along with the bad starter/bad
connection theory. Have you tried to put 12VDC to the starter itself yet?
Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not sure,
given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is any
fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
somewhere when turned to start
Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
-M. Mitchell Marshall
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yes. The fact that the lights dim with the starter switch is on
indicates a bad starter. I just changed the starter on our 300D (124)
as PM, and it was due, as the new starter works way better.
The connecter is a possibility as is the small wire on the starter. If
you recall my post, the
I've had starters die like that, go from working just fine for one start
and then totally dead the next attempted start. However, if the terminal
connection is loose, it might have been on just enough to work once, but
driving the car caused it to come loose so now there is not enough contact.
I took that terminal block loose changing the booster, so I will have to be
sure I did not cause a short or a loose connection when I put it back. It
is close to the new (thicker) booster, but does not touch it.
On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 5:37 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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Dead starter? If the lights are dimming when the key is turned to the
start position, sounds like the solenoid is getting power, so either the
solenoid or the starter motor may be the culprit.
Make sure battery voltage is 12.5 volts or more with no load, and then
measure the battery voltage
Ok so I finally get the new vacuum booster line and brake light switch (fyi
daytona MB is crushing on prices for OE) anyway and the r129 dual diaphragm
booster and 500e fronts and sl600 rear calipers on the knuckles right side
up and re bled with the pressure thingy today. Good news is it stops
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