Re: Mersenne: Re: Factoring benefit/cost ratio

2001-12-05 Thread Steve Harris
Richard, Your first interpretation of "verified" residues is correct, they are retested until two residues match. Any time a double-check reports in a residue which is different from the first LL test, the exponent is returned to the database to be tested again. This means that at least one of th

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread George Woltman
At 07:15 PM 12/5/2001 -0800, Mary Conner wrote: > > No. The server never contacts the client. That's too much of a security > > risk in my book. > >That isn't exactly what I meant. Given that his exponent has been expired >and assigned to me, if he then checks in later to report further progres

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread Mary Conner
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, George Woltman wrote: > >On a purely technical note, In the event that the other person does > >eventually check back in, is there a mechanism in place to either tell his > >machine or mine that it should abandon the exponent > > No. The server never contacts the client.

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread Nathan Russell
At 08:40 PM 12/5/2001 -0500, George Woltman wrote in reply to Mary Conner: >>On a purely technical note, In the event that the other person does >>eventually check back in, is there a mechanism in place to either tell his >>machine or mine that it should abandon the exponent > >No. The server ne

Re: Mersenne: Re: Factoring benefit/cost ratio

2001-12-05 Thread ribwoods
Brian, I'm wondering whether we may be misunderstanding each other's contentions here. I thought you object to at least some of what I claimed, but now it seems that you're presenting arguments and evidence that support what I'm claiming. Since my previous postings may have had careless wording

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread George Woltman
At 02:40 PM 12/5/2001 -0800, Mary Conner wrote: > > David Slowinski discovered that M1257787 was prime > > - when George's own computer was only a few days from finishing that > > very exponent! One other "what could have been" note. I owned two computers at the time.The P-90 was testing 125

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread George Woltman
At 02:40 PM 12/5/2001 -0800, Mary Conner wrote: > > To make matters worse, Slowinski delayed the announcement of the prime > > as he "was out of town" for a while - which turned out to be the better > > part of half a year. I think I would have flipped. Living for half a > > year with such a freak

Re: Mersenne: Re: Factoring benefit/cost ratio

2001-12-05 Thread bjb
On 5 Dec 2001, at 6:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Brian Beesley wrote: > > On 3 Dec 2001, at 20:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [... snip ...] > > > I think our record shows that a verified factor is still > > > slightly (by a minute but nonzero margin) more reliable an > > > indicator of composit

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread Mary Conner
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Alexander Kruppa wrote: > David Slowinski contacted George, asking him wether Prime95 could test > numbers >1 million bits. He had just discovered that M1257787 was prime > - when George's own computer was only a few days from finishing that > very exponent! David also asked

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread Alexander Kruppa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On 4 Dec 2001, at 17:59, George Woltman wrote: > > > >Case 1: I finish first, find a prime and announce my discovery. I did > > >the work but the exponent is assigned to you! Who gets the > > >credit??? > > > > You, get the credit. User b will be mighty disheartened

RE: Mersenne: HD crash

2001-12-05 Thread Aaron Blosser
Best idea is to look at your account status page and find the exponents for that machine on there. I made the mistake of rebuilding my laptop the other day and while I had backed up everything else, I forgot to backup the directory with ntprime. Argh... fortunately it wasn't too far along on the

Mersenne: HD crash

2001-12-05 Thread Jud McCranie
My hard drive crashed, and I have almost certainly lost all of the GIMPS data for the exponent I was working on and 4 more I had in the queue. The initial trial factorization had been done on all of them and the first one was just about 4 days from completion. What should I do about these los

Re: Mersenne: New exponents

2001-12-05 Thread bjb
On 4 Dec 2001, at 17:59, George Woltman wrote: > >Case 1: I finish first, find a prime and announce my discovery. I did > >the work but the exponent is assigned to you! Who gets the > >credit??? > > You, get the credit. User b will be mighty disheartened. I know first hand. > Slowinski's Cray

Re: Mersenne: Re: Mersenne Digest V1 #913

2001-12-05 Thread bjb
On 4 Dec 2001, at 20:36, Gordon Spence wrote: > >I've triple-checked thousands of small exponents - some of the > >ones where the accepted residual was recorded to only 16 bits or > >less, which makes the chance of an undetected error _much_ > >greater (though still quite small) - so far no subst

Mersenne: Correction regarding 'p-1 records' thread

2001-12-05 Thread Nathan Russell
Several list members have been kind enough to point out to me that 2^n is the smallest n+1 bit number - not the smallest n bit number - in the saeme way that 10^1 is the smallest 2-digit number. Nathan _ Unsubscribe & list

Re: Mersenne: Re: Factoring benefit/cost ratio

2001-12-05 Thread ribwoods
Brian Beesley wrote: > On 3 Dec 2001, at 20:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [... snip ...] > > I think our record shows that a verified factor is still > > slightly (by a minute but nonzero margin) more reliable an > > indicator of compositeness than two matching nonzero LL > > residues. > > AFAIK ou

RE: Mersenne: p-1 records

2001-12-05 Thread Paul Leyland
> Is this a bug in the reporting software? I don't have the > tools to work it out exactly, but a 103-bit number should be slightly larger > than 2^103, or Nope. A 103-bit number N should lie in the range 2^102 <= N < 2^103. > Something really odd is going on. Perhaps this small example w

Re: Mersenne: p-1 records

2001-12-05 Thread Henk Stokhorst
Nathan Russell wrote: >> 12348829 103 F 9722991869324431663702571958950 22-Feb-01 07:48 >> SCUM C7375CE26 > > > Is this a bug in the reporting software? I don't have the tools to > work it out exactly, but a 103-bit number should be slightly larger > than 2^103, or > 101412048018