[Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]

1999-06-06 Thread Gustav Schaffter
To everyone reading (and answering) this subject: The guy is trolling. We are all going into his troll. (This is proven by the fact that he just *wont* stop.) Trolling is a technique used on the News lists since long time. Sometimes with disastrous result for the list. It's been quite rare on

[Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]

1999-06-06 Thread Stephen Whitis
At 03:53 PM 6/6/99 +0200, you wrote: To everyone reading (and answering) this subject: The guy is trolling. We are all going into his troll. (This is proven by the fact that he just *wont* stop.) I agree, he's trolling. He claimed to be a programmer, but then over and over he claimed that

RE: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]

1999-06-06 Thread Rick Pali
From: Gustav Schaffter The guy is trolling. We are all going into his troll. (This is proven by the fact that he just *wont* stop.) Amen to that. No one can possibly thing that *everything* works from their point of view and everyone else's view is wrong or unimportant. I would think that

Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]

1999-06-06 Thread Peter Doherty
I second that. At 16:33 06/06/1999 +0100, you wrote: NO MORE. The end.. Chris Jefferson, Girton College, Cambridge, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n2. However, it won't

Re: [[Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]

1999-06-06 Thread Paul Derbyshire
Stephen Whitis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He claimed to be a programmer, but then over and over he claimed that bugs should *always* be caught in testing, prior to release. That proves he's lying, because no programmer can believe that happens in the real world. A complete set of test-cases

Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]

1999-06-05 Thread Paul Derbyshire
Peter Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is normal. Because of the bug in v17, all the math it was doing was wrong, so using that 77% would have been a waste since it was incorrect data. There is no need to try and retrieve that data. It's useless. Are you sure of that? What if the

Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18

1999-06-05 Thread Chris Jefferson
If what you say is true, then whoever designed version 17 acted in a completely unconscionably rash manner by releasing it without thoroughly testing it for problems as serious as that. And has therefore shot the whole GIMPS effort in the foot by setting it back many weeks. Hopefully,

Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]

1999-06-05 Thread Rjpresser
Well, you've dropped the annoying Mandelbrot quote, but you're still trying to stir up trouble on my favorite mailing list. In a message dated 6/5/99 10:27:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you sure of that? What if the bug didn't happen to strike my run, or the

Re: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]

1999-06-05 Thread Paul Derbyshire
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you've dropped the annoying Mandelbrot quote, but you're still trying to stir up trouble on my favorite mailing list. I'm not trying to stir up trouble. However, between your insulting of my sig file (absent temporarily, due to my ISP's mail trouble and my

RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]

1999-06-05 Thread Rick Pali
From: Paul Derbyshire and your accusing me of flame-baiting, I begin to suspect that you, who I formerly had not even noticed, are in fact trying to flame-bait the list. I don't think that anyone's trying to flame anyone at all, but I can't Evidently you haven't been monitoring the list.

Re: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]

1999-06-05 Thread Joe Decker
Paul Derbyshire wrote: Sounds like a lot to me. This CPU I have can finish LL tests in that kind of time, except that I have a habit of using it for other things a lot of the time. It may seem like a long time to you, but I've been interested in Mersenne Primes as an observer since around

RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]

1999-06-05 Thread lrwiman
All, alright, everybody break it up! Well, you've dropped the annoying Mandelbrot quote, but you're still trying to stir up trouble on my favorite mailing list. I'm not trying to stir up trouble. However, between your insulting of my sig file (absent temporarily, due to my ISP's mail

Re: [RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]]

1999-06-05 Thread Paul Derbyshire
"Rick Pali" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that anyone's trying to flame anyone at all, but I can't [the rest is missing] ??? ... might it not be a good idea to ask to be apprised of the situation before accusing the very people who make all this possible of being "completely

RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]

1999-06-05 Thread Aaron Blosser
Paul Derbyshire wrote: Sounds like a lot to me. This CPU I have can finish LL tests in that kind of time, except that I have a habit of using it for other things a lot of the time. It may seem like a long time to you, but I've been interested in Mersenne Primes as an observer since

Re: [RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]]

1999-06-05 Thread Paul Derbyshire
Here are my ideas on bugs: Bugs happen! They're a fact of life, omnipresent in all software. Showstopper bugs should not slip through testing and into release software. Bugs should allways be caught in the testing, but so often they aren't. Minor bugs yes, massive showstoppers no. In the

Re: [RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]]

1999-06-05 Thread Paul Derbyshire
My motivation is to help. This spectacular bug caused some of my help to have been wasted. Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

Re: [RE: [Re: [Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18]]]

1999-06-05 Thread Bryan Fullerton
On Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 11:07:04PM -0600, Paul Derbyshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm? Regardless of when I found out, it remains a fact that to release non-beta software to the general public without a thorough testing *is* a rash act. The software *was* tested - the testing missed this

Re: Mersenne: Serious problems with v.18

1999-06-04 Thread Peter Doherty
This is normal. Because of the bug in v17, all the math it was doing was wrong, so using that 77% would have been a waste since it was incorrect data. There is no need to try and retrieve that data. It's useless. --Peter At 04:11 06/04/1999 -0600, you wrote: Before the upgrade, I was 77% of