Re: [uf-discuss] Who cares? Re: Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-18 Thread Drew McLellan
On 17 Mar 2008, at 23:18, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: How many people do you think actually have wiki accounts? There are 16,704 wiki accounts currently according to: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Listusers Rather than wishing to be pedantic, this demonstrates that if

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-11 Thread Drew McLellan
On 11 Mar 2008, at 05:24, Christopher St John wrote: Manu is currently one of the most active and productive contributors (much more active recently than any of the admins) and the lead editor on a complex and important microformat, yet his points have gone completely unanswered. Isn't it a

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-11 Thread Drew McLellan
On 11 Mar 2008, at 13:10, Christopher St John wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 Mar 2008, at 05:24, Christopher St John wrote: Manu is currently one of the most active and productive contributors (much more active recently than any

[uf-discuss] SitePoint HTML Reference beta

2008-03-11 Thread Drew McLellan
Looks like the new SitePoint HTML Reference site (just launched today in beta) has a nice section on microformats: http://reference.sitepoint.com/html/microformats As it's a beta launch, I'm sure the guys at SitePoint would appreciate any technical feedback. drew.

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-10 Thread Drew McLellan
On 10 Mar 2008, at 04:54, Ernest Prabhakar wrote: I don't know about Unjust --- I sympathize with the amount of grief the Admins have had to go through because of Andy -- but I do feel that 18 months is a bit severe; especially given that the previous suspension was (if I remember

[uf-discuss] tools.microformatic.com upgraded

2008-02-03 Thread Drew McLellan
Following some problems with response times on tools.microformatic.com over the last 10 days, I've moved it too a new server with roughly twice the CPU and RAM. Should all be a lot faster now! My apologies to those affected by the recent slowness. http://tools.microformatic.com/ drew.

Re: [uf-discuss] ufXtract - new microformats parser

2007-11-25 Thread Drew McLellan
On 25 Nov 2007, at 18:09, Glenn Jones wrote: http://lab.backnetwork.com/ufXtract/ Great work, Glenn! drew. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

[uf-discuss] [admin] Notice of community ban

2007-10-18 Thread Drew McLellan
, and therefore, the admins have concluded there is no other option than to issue Andy with a further 30 day ban from community participation. With regret, Andy Mabbett, is banned from community participation for a period of 30 days from today. Sincerely, Drew McLellan, on behalf

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard names - n vs. fn

2007-04-25 Thread Drew McLellan
On 24 Apr 2007, at 22:50, Ryan King wrote: On Apr 24, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Drew McLellan wrote: They're also subprops of fn when n isn't present. But n is present. They are? If so, that's news to me. Maybe you're referring to the implied-n rules? It's the fn=n optimisation ... from my notes

Re: [uf-discuss] table headers inclusion method axis

2007-04-10 Thread Drew McLellan
On 9 Apr 2007, at 18:44, Ryan King wrote: On Apr 9, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Thee are a couple of references, on the wiki, to the table headers inclusion method and axis in tables, not least: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar- brainstorming#Tabular_event_calendars from

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats Process flowchart 0.1

2007-03-17 Thread Drew McLellan
On 15 Mar 2007, at 23:23, John Allsopp wrote: I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts as to whether it is useful, and what needs changing/fixing Looks great, John. Very useful for visualising the process. drew. ___ microformats-discuss

Re: how-to-play, community, tone (was Re: [uf-discuss] New wiki page summarily deleted)

2006-12-09 Thread Drew McLellan
On 9 Dec 2006, at 23:35, Lucas Gonze wrote: On 12/9/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think in general we can self-regulate, but I am now open to removing people who are consistently abusive from the list if

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard real world application

2006-11-14 Thread Drew McLellan
On 14/11/2006, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I have noted a number of instances within a few addresses that just don't seem to fit in microformats. *Case 1* Reply Paid Addresses eg Reply Paid 61461 Locked Bag 1233 (okay this bit is the class=post-office-box) Reply Paid 61461

[uf-discuss] Idea: beginners/getting started list

2006-10-06 Thread Drew McLellan
This is an idea that was discussed on IRC a couple of days ago, and I thought it was worth airing here. The idea is to have an additional discussion list specifically for those getting started with publishing microformats. It would carry a no-question-is-too-stupid ethos, and aim to foster an

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

2006-09-29 Thread Drew McLellan
On 29/9/2006, Steve Ganz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking about this a lot lately too. I've had a note on my fridge for about 2 months now that says simply Paste hCard. :) I recently wrote a form and it just made sense to mark it up with hCard semantics. To avoid

RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

2006-09-29 Thread Drew McLellan
On 29/9/2006, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/9/2006, Steve Ganz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been thinking about this a lot lately too. I've had a note on my fridge for about 2 months now that says simply Paste hCard. :) I recently wrote a form and it just made sense

Re: [uf-discuss] hidden microformats

2006-09-28 Thread Drew McLellan
On 28/9/2006, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the better solution for this would be to revive (and perhaps conclude) the ‘linking to a definitive microformat’ idea which has popped up every so often. In short, provide a rel value to contain within an hCard or hEvent which links to

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats in Form Fields

2006-09-28 Thread Drew McLellan
On 28/9/2006, Ryan Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if I was to mark up the form (and fields) with hCard classes? Good idea? Bad idea? I strikes me that it could be useful for auto- complete applications, but not sure if it would ‘pollute’ the web with effectively a useless/empty hCard

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

2006-09-20 Thread Drew McLellan
On 20/9/2006, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the fact that many tagclouds are based on actual numerics (ie, 50 bookmarks on this tag), it might be nice to have access to that information further than just a rating. imho, styling is not the microformat's job, the

Re: [uf-discuss] a very early draft proposal hTagcloud

2006-09-20 Thread Drew McLellan
On 20/9/2006, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that hTagcloud say that: presentation is orthogonal to what we're trying to do -- provide semantic markup of tag clouds. Tag cloud implementers should come up with their own best way of handling the presentaion -- in fact, they

Re: [uf-discuss] Two include-pattern questions

2006-09-15 Thread Drew McLellan
On 15/9/2006, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on an implementation in Python and I have a couple of questions that affect the complexity of the implementation. (1) Should all microformat parsers be looking for class=include in any (non-rel) microformat, or is it a universal

Re: [uf-discuss] Two include-pattern questions

2006-09-15 Thread Drew McLellan
On 15/9/2006, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can speak to 'should' or 'all', but in hKit (PHP) I only consider I *CAN'T* speak to ... :-) drew. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http

Re: [uf-discuss] vcard fn for name in A. B. Smith format

2006-08-30 Thread Drew McLellan
On 30 Aug 2006, at 13:29, Graham Higgins wrote: On 29 Aug 2006, at 15:42, Brian S wrote: you shouldn't make assumptions about what the 'A.' and 'B.' mean... i did in my example (otherwise it would have been a pretty boring reply). There is a service which attempts at guessing the N

[uf-discuss] Exploratory discussion: content rating

2006-07-27 Thread Drew McLellan
From a discussion in #microformats trying to brainstorm around a gravatar.com-like system based on distributed hCards, we stumbled across perhaps a simpler problem to solve. All content published on the web is unrated (in terms of nudity, violence, profanity etc) by default. There is

Re: [uf-discuss] Exploratory discussion: content rating

2006-07-27 Thread Drew McLellan
On 27 Jul 2006, at 14:46, Scott Reynen wrote: On Jul 27, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Drew McLellan wrote: All content published on the web is unrated (in terms of nudity, violence, profanity etc) by default. There is currently no *simple* method for authors to express a rating for their content so

Re: [uf-discuss] Exploratory discussion: content rating

2006-07-27 Thread Drew McLellan
On 27 Jul 2006, at 15:41, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: The cultural issues involved in creating a ratings system that actually *work* in practice, across borders is really really hard. You need to solve that problem before a microformat for ratings makes any sense. I disagree that

Re: [uf-discuss] geo and named locations

2006-07-24 Thread Drew McLellan
On 24 Jul 2006, at 09:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are called waypoints and already a common erm used by GPS users. Correct. Are you suggesting that waypoints cannot be suitably marked up with geo? drew. ___

Re: [uf-discuss] testing results - was hcard question

2006-07-21 Thread Drew McLellan
On 20 Jul 2006, at 19:37, Ted Drake wrote: I'm trying the latest version of the include pattern and I'm still not seeing the product title appear in the reviews. This is near the top of the page: h2 id=prodname class=item fnApple iPod nano 2GB Black MP3 Player/h2 And this is in the

Re: [uf-discuss] testing results - was hcard question

2006-07-21 Thread Drew McLellan
On 21 Jul 2006, at 11:41, Frances Berriman wrote: I can screenread those for you today. I'll send you what I get fromt them. Awesome, thanks! drew. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Resolving Microformats List Problem

2006-07-19 Thread Drew McLellan
On 19 Jul 2006, at 15:20, Paul Bryson wrote: Ryan King wrote: I added text/html back to the accepted list and changed the behavior to 'reject', rather than 'discard'. While I do think it's generally a better idea to not send HTML emails (I really hate those custom icon and emoticon ads),

Re: [uf-discuss] Must Ignore vs. Microformats

2006-07-19 Thread Drew McLellan
On 19 Jul 2006, at 17:14, Jesse Rodgers wrote: On 7/19/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats A friend of mine showed me this today. Macroformats, over Microformats. I always thought microformats was semantics for everyone and

Re: [uf-discuss] Must Ignore vs. Microformats

2006-07-19 Thread Drew McLellan
On 19 Jul 2006, at 18:55, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 7/19/06 10:34 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I even have a PHP parser written that makes parsing Microformats and other kinds of semantic HTML dead easy... coming to you via LGPL eventually... once I improve the

Re: [uf-discuss] friendlier handling of DURATION in hCalendar

2006-07-11 Thread Drew McLellan
On 11 Jul 2006, at 05:37, Tantek Çelik wrote: The DURATION property in iCalendar RFC2445 apparently is case- sensitive in the values it accepts. (Section 4.3.6 Duration) As other either iterated or parsed properties accept case- insensitive values (such as type), I think we may want to add a

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Meetups?

2006-07-10 Thread Drew McLellan
On 10 Jul 2006, at 08:53, Frances Berriman wrote: This is OT, vaguely, but are any Microformateers attending the WSG meetup on Friday (London)? You know.. tactile, real life. ;) Hi Frances - I'll be there. If I remember, I'll wear my microformats shirt, so come and say hi. It'd be nice to

Re: [uf-discuss] WP-XFN-hCard: Code Review?

2006-07-05 Thread Drew McLellan
On 5 Jul 2006, at 08:43, Chris Messina wrote: Cross-posting because I didn't get a reply from -dev and I'd like to post this to my blog (but not before I get buddy-checked!)... Nothing's come through on -dev since the 29th. For me at least. A case of cold-server rather than cold-shoulder ;)

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats Community Mark

2006-06-24 Thread Drew McLellan
On 23 Jun 2006, at 02:32, brian suda wrote: Today on IRC[1], we talked briefly about the Microformats Logo and how it is setup to be a Community Mark. Tantek pointed to Chris Messina's original post about the idea of a community mark[2]. I really do like the idea, it fits nicely with

Re: [uf-discuss] permalinks for microformat chunks of pages: use the 'id' attribute on root microformat elements

2006-06-23 Thread Drew McLellan
On 23 Jun 2006, at 09:52, Jeremy Keith wrote: Tantek wrote: The microformat chunks (e.g. hCards, hCalendar events, hReviews etc.) that have an id attribute are much easier to automatically reference (and thus link to and browser/scroll to from search results) than those without. +1 I

Re: [uf-discuss] permalinks for microformat chunks of pages: use the 'id' attribute on root microformat elements

2006-06-23 Thread Drew McLellan
On 23 Jun 2006, at 11:51, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: On 6/23/06, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One proposal would be to introduce a very simple pattern for groups of hCards - just like groups in address book programs (friends, family, collegues etc). In XHTML we already have a mechanism

Re: [uf-discuss] hKit parsing library for PHP5

2006-06-20 Thread Drew McLellan
On 20 Jun 2006, at 00:21, Scott Reynen wrote: On Jun 19, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Drew McLellan wrote: I poked around looking at stuff that's already out there, including Microformats Base, but I couldn't find anything that fitted the model I was after - namely chuck in a string or URL, and get

Re: [uf-discuss] hKit parsing library for PHP5

2006-06-20 Thread Drew McLellan
On 20 Jun 2006, at 07:22, Ryan King wrote: You might also want to look at Assaf's PHP library: http:// trac.labnotes.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/MicroParserPHP Ah, ok! How/where did you find that? Is it on the wiki? drew. ___ microformats-discuss

Re: [uf-discuss] hKit parsing library for PHP5

2006-06-20 Thread Drew McLellan
Quick update - version 0.2 http://allinthehead.com/code/hkit/hkit-v0.1.tgz * Integrating Tidy proxy changes suggested by Scott Reynen * Callback mechanism for post-processing values * Resolves URLs on images etc, with BASE and xml:base support * Deals with mailto: links properly * Options for

Re: [uf-discuss] Spam and Microformats Search

2006-06-19 Thread Drew McLellan
On 19 Jun 2006, at 16:58, Chris Messina wrote: That said, there is a remedy: change your hCard to *not* include your email, or gussy it up, like joe at my domain dot com, and then use Pingerati to tell them that you've updated the record. AFAIK, if they've indexed MF data on a page that is

[uf-discuss] hKit parsing library for PHP5

2006-06-19 Thread Drew McLellan
On returning from @media and lots of associated interesting hallway conversions, I sat down to hack on a microformat-related idea. It quickly became apparent that what should've been a couple of hours coding was going to take significantly longer because I had no toolkits to back me up. So

Re: [uf-discuss] FACE and microformats?

2006-06-13 Thread Drew McLellan
On 13 Jun 2006, at 11:57, Faruk Ates wrote: Hello everyone, First, I'm assuming here that you all know FACE: http:// kurafire.net/projects/face — if not, please check that out so you know what I'm babbling about below. Now, I've been thinking about the next release version for a long

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard - nesting fn within email?

2006-06-12 Thread Drew McLellan
On 11 Jun 2006, at 00:03, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 6/10/06 2:22 PM, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I've got a company called mycompany.com, and I'm wonder if I can reuse the domain portion of the email address as the fn org like so: div class=vcard a href=mailto:[EMAIL

[uf-discuss] hCard - nesting fn within email?

2006-06-10 Thread Drew McLellan
So I've got a company called mycompany.com, and I'm wonder if I can reuse the domain portion of the email address as the fn org like so: div class=vcard a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] class=emailinfo@span class=fn orgmycompany.com/span/a /div Any reason why not? The markup's valid as

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar and attendees

2006-06-10 Thread Drew McLellan
On 10 Jun 2006, at 22:48, Faruk Ates wrote: What I changed it to in order to use hCard: span class=vcardspan class=attendee fnKate Bolin/span/span But alas, to no avail. Am I not doing it right or is this a much trickier issue? :-) I'd love to get the attendees working as well; right now

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: indistinguishable address parts problem

2006-06-07 Thread Drew McLellan
On 5 Jun 2006, at 19:53, Ryan King wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Drew McLellan wrote: I have a data set of companies with neat fields for name, phone, postcode and geo. The address for each is one big string including number, street, town, and sometimes route-road names

Re: [uf-discuss] Did I do something wrong?

2006-06-06 Thread Drew McLellan
On 6 Jun 2006, at 14:47, Colin D. Devroe wrote: I searched for my name: http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/colin%20devroe And I get Flickr and Corkd (expected). However, I have an hCard on my site at: http://cdevroe.com/about/ How do I ensure that my information comes up in that

[uf-discuss] Microformats in Textpattern

2006-06-02 Thread Drew McLellan
Just a quick FYI. I've recently had patches accepted into Textpattern to add the following: - rel=bookmark to permalinks - rel=tag to category links for a post (which act just like tags) They're in svn now, and should therefore be available with the next minor release, whenever that may

Re: [uf-discuss] Potentially awesome example: Endo

2006-05-14 Thread Drew McLellan
On 9 May 2006, at 09:02, Drew McLellan wrote: On 9 May 2006, at 07:57, Michael McCracken wrote: Hi folks, I don't actually use Endo, an OS X aggregator, but I've noticed that it supports discovering hCal and adding those events to iCal. I can't see any references to it in list archives

Re: [uf-discuss] Potentially awesome example: Endo

2006-05-09 Thread Drew McLellan
On 9 May 2006, at 07:57, Michael McCracken wrote: Hi folks, I don't actually use Endo, an OS X aggregator, but I've noticed that it supports discovering hCal and adding those events to iCal. I can't see any references to it in list archives or on the wiki, so I thought I'd mention it here, in

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats Cheatsheet

2006-05-08 Thread Drew McLellan
On 8 May 2006, at 20:28, brian suda wrote: I have tried to combine both the specs and the chart to a single 'cheat sheet' for all the common microformats. This is a single page document that describes both elemental microformats (XFN, RelTag, etc) and compound microformats. Couple of quick

Re: [uf-discuss] My hCard comments

2006-04-20 Thread Drew McLellan
On 20 Apr 2006, at 06:27, Colin D. Devroe wrote: I just wanted to be sure that my simple implementation of hCard into my personal blog's comments are accurate. Here is the syntax I installed. div id=vcard-1 class=comment_meta vcardcitea class=url fn href=http://cdevroe.com;Colin D.

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard noobie question

2006-04-07 Thread Drew McLellan
On 5 Apr 2006, at 23:59, Nick Swan wrote: Hi all, noobie hcard question here! Sorry!!! So I have my hcard I have created : div class=vcard a class=url fn href=http://weblog.vb-tech.com/nick;Nick Swan/a div class=orgDot Net Solutions/div div class=adr div class=street-addressSheet

Re: [uf-discuss] Need for an MF styleguide

2006-04-07 Thread Drew McLellan
On 6 Apr 2006, at 02:23, Chris Messina wrote: Saw a discussion about XHTML styleguides... I think we need something equally digestible for publishers... that makes it super super simple to get and apply microformats... Tara and I discussed this as a Dummy's Guide but I think a Practitioner's

[uf-discuss] Describing software

2006-03-29 Thread Drew McLellan
So based on a discussion elsewhere, I was looking to see if there's an existing proposal for some kind of software microformat. The closest I can find is the stuff on Widgets, which initially looks like the right sort of thing but quickly degrades into stuff about embedding HTML documents

Re: [uf-discuss] Describing software

2006-03-29 Thread Drew McLellan
On 29 Mar 2006, at 16:27, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 3/29/06 7:13 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 29, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Drew McLellan wrote: Is there anything that would help me describe software? That sounds like a more specific form of the (stalled?) listing microformat

Re: [uf-discuss] Dreamweaver implementation

2006-03-23 Thread Drew McLellan
On 18 Mar 2006, at 11:39, Drew McLellan wrote: Has anyone seen any third-party microformat support for Dreamweaver? I've done a bit of searching and can't find any reference to actual implementations. If there's nothing out there I'll see if I can knock something together today. Just

Re: [uf-discuss] Dreamweaver implementation

2006-03-20 Thread Drew McLellan
On 19 Mar 2006, at 23:43, Chris Messina wrote: Can we port this kind of thing to TinyMCE for use in Wordpress? Hi Chris To be honest, I've no idea how TinyMCE plugins work. I'm guessing they're XHTML/JavaScript based, so we're in the right ballpark. But by the same measure, the work I've

Re: [uf-discuss] Dreamweaver implementation

2006-03-19 Thread Drew McLellan
On 18 Mar 2006, at 19:01, Tantek Çelik wrote: Hi Drew! Hey Tantek! On 3/18/06 3:39 AM, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen any third-party microformat support for Dreamweaver? I've done a bit of searching and can't find any reference to actual implementations. I don't

[uf-discuss] Dreamweaver implementation

2006-03-18 Thread Drew McLellan
Has anyone seen any third-party microformat support for Dreamweaver? I've done a bit of searching and can't find any reference to actual implementations. If there's nothing out there I'll see if I can knock something together today. drew. -- drew mclellan http://allinthehead.com