Re: PF port forwarding issue

2014-01-17 Thread Bruno Flueckiger
On 18.01.2014 01:49, Matt M wrote: I am using PF on 5.4-stable to NAT and firewall my network, but I can't get port forwarding to work. All requests end up at the OpenBSD box and go no further. For instance, I opened port 22 in PF to forward to a Centos box, but ssh on the openbsd box still takes

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Brett Lymn
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:33:01PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > What other community has users who commonly run upstream software on > 64-bit big-endian strict alignment platform with register windows > adjusting the frames in odd ways, or 32-bit big-endian ones with mutex > alignment requireme

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 08:10:02PM -0800, William Ahern wrote: [...] Compared to your suggestions, Die Hard 2-5 didn't contain any plot holes and made perfect sense. You are not arguing, but obviously, emulators are so much better. With just a couple of modern Xeon machines (these are free, obvi

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread William Ahern
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 08:38:05PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > I do use emulators, specifically for ARM, because it's just easier for me. > > And one of my co-workers is a contributor to the Hercules emulator. > > Then you know it is not sufficient for our needs, yet we keep getting > the same

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I do use emulators, specifically for ARM, because it's just easier for me. > And one of my co-workers is a contributor to the Hercules emulator. Then you know it is not sufficient for our needs, yet we keep getting the same message from some people. The emulators are too slow, or they need to b

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread William Ahern
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 07:33:01PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > You may argue that, since the kernel has a workaround for this issue, > > > this is a moot point. But if some developer has a better idea for the > > > kernel heuristic, how can the new code be tested, if not on the real > > > har

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
> OTOH, there's a strong case to be made for simply inventing crazy > architectures out of whole cloth and writing an emulator for them. I am looking forward to seeing yours. How long do I have to wait?

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > You may argue that, since the kernel has a workaround for this issue, > > this is a moot point. But if some developer has a better idea for the > > kernel heuristic, how can the new code be tested, if not on the real > > hardware? > > > > The problem with this story is that the purported reas

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread William Ahern
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:32:41PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: > >And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the > > bugs. > > It's almost bedtime in Europe. Do you mind if I tell you a bedtime > story? > > Years ago, a (back then) successful company selling high-end Unix-base

PF port forwarding issue

2014-01-17 Thread Matt M
I am using PF on 5.4-stable to NAT and firewall my network, but I can't get port forwarding to work. All requests end up at the OpenBSD box and go no further. For instance, I opened port 22 in PF to forward to a Centos box, but ssh on the openbsd box still takes the request. Port 80 isn't working a

Re: NIST-free crypto, autociphering, and libsodium (NaCl)

2014-01-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
> No, I'm not a native speaker, some of the pronouns still confuse me. > By 'we' I meant one of us in the community that would be willing to do > it, despite no real justification other than paranoia, not the > community as a whole. There are no OpenBSD developers who can do what you propose. >

Re: NIST-free crypto, autociphering, and libsodium (NaCl)

2014-01-17 Thread Christopher Ahrens
Theo de Raadt wrote: MJ wrote: On 17 Jan 2014, at 17.30, Christian Weisgerber wrote: As guenther@ has pointed out, refusing all crypto covered by that definition is silly. But even if you limit yourself to the specification part, you should be very disappointed about the newly added Curve255

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Miod Vallat
>And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the > bugs. It's almost bedtime in Europe. Do you mind if I tell you a bedtime story? Years ago, a (back then) successful company selling high-end Unix-based workstations, having been designing its own systems and core components f

Re: TP-Link TL-WN8200ND in 5.4

2014-01-17 Thread Bernte
On 17/01/14 06:45, Jonathan Gray wrote: > A device attaching as ugen means no driver has claimed it. > Support for your device and many other urtwn devices was added > after 5.4. > > Here is an untested patch against 5.4 that should work: Hi Jonathan, Thank you very much for the help, this was e

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:08:07 +0100 schrieb Lars Peter Cleary : > I agree this is a very good idea, instant feedback and gratification. > > Nevertheless, I've just now donated CAD 100.- and invite everybody > else to do the same. > > Kind regards > Lars > Yepp - let's face it: Until some bigge

Re: NIST-free crypto, autociphering, and libsodium (NaCl)

2014-01-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
>From owner-misc+M136955=deraadt=cvs.openbsd@openbsd.org Fri Jan 17 >14:56:02 2014 >Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:15:22 -0800 >From: Christopher Ahrens >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; OpenBSD i386; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 >Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: MJ , Christian Weisger

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
>That's a bug to be filed against an emulator. And it's easier to do >that *now* when the older hardware is around to test for bug >compatibility. And it's not full emulator if it doesn't emulate the >bugs. We are an operating system project. We have a full set of tasks ahead of ourselves. We ar

Re: NIST-free crypto, autociphering, and libsodium (NaCl)

2014-01-17 Thread Christopher Ahrens
MJ wrote: On 17 Jan 2014, at 17.30, Christian Weisgerber wrote: As guenther@ has pointed out, refusing all crypto covered by that definition is silly. But even if you limit yourself to the specification part, you should be very disappointed about the newly added Curve25519 key exchange and Ed

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Bill Albertson
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Christopher Ahrens wrote: > Kevin Lyda wrote: > >> Regarding the "less architecture support to save electricity" >> argument, I'm not sure one follows the other. Computing power has >> grown to a point that emulators are perfectly valid - particularly for >> older

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Kevin Lyda [ke...@ie.suberic.net] wrote: > > It's a lot easier to ask for $X/year if there's a plan for X to reduce. > Yeah, right. That's how things work, right? Your family spends less each year, your work spends less each year, your government, they certainly spend less each year. And OpenBSD

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Kevin Lyda
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Ahrens wrote: > *Instructions are executed as they should, not how they actually work That's a bug to be filed against an emulator. And it's easier to do that *now* when the older hardware is around to test for bug compatibility. And it's not full emul

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Christopher Ahrens
Kevin Lyda wrote: Regarding the "less architecture support to save electricity" argument, I'm not sure one follows the other. Computing power has grown to a point that emulators are perfectly valid - particularly for older systems. I think a push to package and maintain emulators for many of the

Re: NIST-free crypto, autociphering, and libsodium (NaCl)

2014-01-17 Thread MJ
On 17 Jan 2014, at 17.30, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > As guenther@ has pointed out, refusing all crypto covered by that > definition is silly. But even if you limit yourself to the > specification part, you should be very disappointed about the newly > added Curve25519 key exchange and Ed255

Re: X11 graphics corruption on intel card

2014-01-17 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 01:06:54PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola said that > I first thought it to be a strange GNUstep problem which doesn't > reproduce for me on other OpenBSD or any other GNUstep system, but > then I started to see it in GTK and other applications. > > It doesn't appear to happe

xterm -hold -e loop

2014-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Xterm gets stuck in a loop burning 100% cpu until you destroy it if you do say. xterm -hold -e /bin/ls Might a patch based on this freebsd patch fix that? The second part of it isn't in the xenocara tree. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=136686 --

Re: NIST-free crypto, autociphering, and libsodium (NaCl)

2014-01-17 Thread Christian Weisgerber
MJ wrote: > > What is "NIST crypto"? > > Are you serious or just being facetious? I basically used it as an > umbrella term to include all of the crypto in which the US government > has had their hand involved in it's specification, implementation, > approval, standardisation, etc and so forth.

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Lars Peter Cleary
I agree this is a very good idea, instant feedback and gratification. Nevertheless, I've just now donated CAD 100.- and invite everybody else to do the same. Kind regards Lars

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Charles RAPENNE
Le 2013-12-21 01:08, Theo de Raadt a écrit : I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because it is not yet resolved. We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all of this is simply unsustainable. This request is the smallest we can make. --- Hi

Re[2]: stop that shit

2014-01-17 Thread Mo Libden
Пятница, 17 января 2014, 17:58 +05:30 от Jay Patel : >Well one thing what foundation can do for future is start selling hardware >with software like routers and all directly from their website. > >don't know how much this is feasible.or something like system76.or do some >consultan

Re: stop that shit

2014-01-17 Thread Paul de Weerd
Hi Jay, Having trouble reading lately? Why would you reply to Marc's email without even reading what he wrote? Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 05:58:17PM +0530, Jay Patel wrote: | Well one thing what foundation can do for future is start selling hardware | with software like route

Re: stop that shit

2014-01-17 Thread Jay Patel
Well one thing what foundation can do for future is start selling hardware with software like routers and all directly from their website. don't know how much this is feasible.or something like system76.or do some consultancy. Regards, Jay. On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Marc Espie wrote:

Re: X11 graphics corruption on intel card

2014-01-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, frantisek holop wrote: nobody seeing this on i915? I don't. Strangley, I have quite bad video corruption with mi ATI card on my T60 instead. Usually I experince problem with integrated video, but here the ATI is playng bad. Whole rects on the screen do not redraw/refresh properly. It m

Re: undefined __res_state using libbind

2014-01-17 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, following Stuart's suggestion to use libbind, I recompiled and linked Pantomime. I added: ADDITIONAL_LDFLAGS += -lbind ADDITIONAL_LDFLAGS += -Wl,-L/usr/local/lib/libbind -Wl,-R/usr/local/lib/libbind ADDITIONAL_INCLUDE_DIRS += -I/usr/local/include/bind I con

stop that shit

2014-01-17 Thread Marc Espie
how comes each time the project asks for financial help, there are so many many people coming out of the wood to "propose" non-financial advice ? Speaking in my own name, I don't think the project needs backseat drivers. You don't like how it's run ? fine, just get out of there. You want to sup

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Dag Richards contributed: > I have a suggestion for every one of us that has mailed in an idea in > response to a solicitaion for money... > > Send money. I also plan to open a ticket and will have to find time to send a short letter to the management of my hosting provi

Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Jan Lambertz
Pushing the subscription idea and cd set selling a litte bit further, what about a signed cd set or artwork from theo or a developer ( next hackathon ) . The time investment should be no problem and this could sell for ... 70$ or something. This is cool, no time effort, promotion easy possible ( u

Re: problems with non-utf8 characters in mutt after upgrading to 5.4

2014-01-17 Thread Kārlis Miķelsons
Latin1 mail with umlauts and sz in sender's name mail body renders fine here in mutt in xterm in the UTF-8 locale. So you should be able to get it to work. I suspect misconfiguration rather than a bug, though a bug is of course a possibility. What does your local configuration look like? Are you

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Marcus MERIGHI
Am 01/16/14 18:05, schrieb Han Hwei Woo: > Rather than raising prices on CD's/T-Shirts, how about allowing for > subscriptions? I've bought CD's and shirts in the past, but don't do so > regularly simply as it's not something I think/remember to do at every > release. However, I'd gladly signup to

Re: problems with non-utf8 characters in mutt after upgrading to 5.4

2014-01-17 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 09:03:13PM +0200, Kārlis Miķelsons wrote: > Hello, > > After upgrading from OpenBSD 5.3 to OpenBSD 5.4 I've got problems with > non-utf8 characters in mutt email client. It worked just fine until > upgrade, but after upgrade it doesn't show non-ascii characters in > subject

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: > Just a side note to the people talking about emulators. Obviously, > you're not tried to install OpenBSD on emulators. Basically, everything > is broken except amd64 and i386. > except amd64 and i386?!

Re: Is my 5.4 CD ok?

2014-01-17 Thread Marko Cupać
As long as there are stickers inside I am satisfied :) -- Marko Cupać