Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-11 Thread Sparc Urani
why are people being hard to accept facts like these. yes, people has different views to everything most especially the discussions (and sometimes somebody is asking for helps) being thrown to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] since OpenBSD should always be the point of discussions always at misc@, we should

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-11 Thread Greg Thomas
On 6/10/05, Sascha Ramin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, R.Payne wrote: We are the woorrrld. We are the childrennn... Put a sock in it already. could someone? its clear that people feel differently about this, and discussing it is proving to be completly counter

[TROLL] Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-11 Thread Jason Dixon
On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:51 AM, -f wrote: hi there, for those who did not delete another post w/this subject: i am mostly impressed by the answers, positive, negative. my little social experiment reaffirms the following: Quit wasting everyone's time with your little social experiment. You

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-11 Thread Tony
the most damage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of -f Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:52 AM To: OpenBSD Subject: Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading] hi there, for those who did not delete another post w/this subject

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-11 Thread R.Payne
-f wrote: very few of them actually add anything meaningful. Including this one. Give it a rest. It's not about you. It's about the operating system. Rob

heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread -f
dear list, a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called misc@openbsd.org... will try to keep it short. a couple of days ago, there was a quite big thread about optimized kernel builds. the caller had a point (all of us do,

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
Hear hear. -Original Message- From: -f [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 June 2005 02:50 PM To: OpenBSD Subject: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading] dear list, a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of robert x., let me reflect a bit

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
-f wrote: dear list, a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called misc@openbsd.org... will try to keep it short. You failed to keep it short. a couple of days ago, there was a quite big thread about optimized kernel

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Tor Houghton
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:13:13AM -0400, Rick Barter wrote: [snip] You know what? This is the number one problem with the world today; people like you trying to protect the young, innocent, whatever from themselves and others. Since when is it *MY* job to police everyone else's kids

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
On 6/10/05, -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear list, a nice cup of coffee in front of me, and as a big fan of robert x., let me reflect a bit on the phenomenon called misc@openbsd.org... will try to keep it short. a couple of days ago, there was a quite big thread about optimized kernel

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread francisco
what people here mostly fail to realize is, how impersonal the internet really is. 99% of you don't know how old i am, how do i look like, what's my life like. same is true from my side towards you. That's because we haven't googled the right queries. advice If advice were followed (e.g.

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread -f
hello Rick, and others, i just wanted to say, that you almost enteriley missed my point. i never said leave the young in a bubble, but 40 people yelling at you and calling names is not funny either. i didn't realize all the people here were so strong personalities in their teens, my mistake.

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Bram Van Dam
-f wrote: 2. if a mail makes you angry, in 85% of all cases, you should just delete it, and forget about it. i am quite amazed how hard it is for people to ignore stuff. you must exercise your ignore muscle. saves awful lot of time and energy. (i know, this mail is the opposite of

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Shane J Pearson
On 11/06/2005, at 1:29 AM, Bram Van Dam wrote: I quite frankly don't give a rat's arse about how frustrated some of you are by seeing n00bs post on the list. So what if someone didn't read man page XYZ? Do you and -f need to be reminded, that the n00b in question made disparaging claims

blah Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Gordon Grieder
Why are some people starting off replies to this thread with a statement to the effect of I am a christian as if it's a badge of honour? It labels them as kooks, no different that someone reading tea leaves, practicing astrology or believing in Nostradamus' quatrains. And, like my reply, it has

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
Bram Van Dam wrote: -f wrote: 2. if a mail makes you angry, in 85% of all cases, you should just delete it, and forget about it. i am quite amazed how hard it is for people to ignore stuff. you must exercise your ignore muscle. saves awful lot of time and energy. (i know, this

Re: blah Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Davis
Their soap box is here instead of the Mall or the street corner . Thats why ! On 6/10/05, Gordon Grieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are some people starting off replies to this thread with a statement to the effect of I am a christian as if it's a badge of honour? It labels them as kooks, no

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sigfred HÃ¥versen
Rick Barter wrote: [snippy snap stuff] Your experience with theaching are not that extensive, I gather? /Sigfred

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
Sigfred Heversen wrote: Rick Barter wrote: [snippy snap stuff] Your experience with theaching are not that extensive, I gather? /Sigfred What makes you say that? Please elaborate. If you have a point, make it. And before you go getting all high and mighty, run your next email through a

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Jason Crawford
I've taught quite a few children, ranging from the 5 - 17 year range (I've taught adults too, but has nothing to do with this discussion) a lot, and I agree with Rick on his views. If a kid can't learn how to cope with being wrong, and being told to actually read something, well then we'll end up

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Barter
dereck wrote: Look, I don't 'act all tough on the net'. I just refuse to sit idly by while mamby pamby whiners are spouting crap. And, in real life, I'd say the same thing to him. On this I'll have to draw the line - that is plainly Bullshit. You would not say anything like this to his or

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sigfred HÃ¥versen
Rick Barter wrote: [snip snappy stuff] I didn't say that he wasn't a teacher because he's not actively teaching. I was eluding to him not being a teacher because he is afraid of the responsibility that goes along with the act of teaching. Everyone is a teacher whether they know it or not.

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Tony
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy Morris Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: -f; OpenBSD Subject: Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading] Bram Van Dam wrote: I particularly agree

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Tony
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Barter Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:59 PM To: OpenBSD-Misc Subject: Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading] dereck wrote: Look, I don't 'act all tough on the net'. I just refuse to sit idly by while mamby

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 6/10/05, -f [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear list, peace, -f All these words and yet nothing is being said. Paragraphs upon heated paragraphs to reach but a few simple conclusions: o People associated with OpenBSD do not have time to help those who cannot help themselves is a fair and

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread auto275911
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not true. I have spoken my mind many times in-person and at work, to managers and presidents. I have never been fired for anything I've said because I don't attack people personally. I would gladly have a discussion in real-life with anyone on this

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Rick Pettit
These threads truly hurt the list, and make everyone suffer. Please stop. -Rick On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:54:46PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not true. I have spoken my mind many times in-person and at work, to managers and presidents.

Re: heal the world, and misc@ [strictly coffeetime reading]

2005-06-10 Thread Sascha Ramin
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, R.Payne wrote: We are the woorrrld. We are the childrennn... Put a sock in it already. could someone? its clear that people feel differently about this, and discussing it is proving to be completly counter productive as its just creating more clutter that we had