Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Dik Takken
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Steven M. Schultz wrote: Ah, that's an important detail. It might be a good thing if the man page would be a bit more clear about this. Actually it is mentioned in the toplevel (mjpegtools) manpage: "A quality factor should be chosen that way that the mplex output of Peak b

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Combining interlaced and progressive video

2004-10-29 Thread Dik Takken
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Martin Samuelsson wrote: A better strategy, albeit more space consuming, would be to convert them into YUV4MPEG2 (if it still is called that nowadays; the raw YUV files produced by lav2yuv) instead. If you have more CPU than disk, you could convert-stream-and-feed-the-encoder v

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Combining interlaced and progressive video

2004-10-29 Thread Dik Takken
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Matto Marjanovic wrote: >STEP 2: > >I use lavtrans to 'grow' a new avi file by adding 'single_picture.avi' to >itself and repeat that 100 times, like so (pseudo code): ... Or, cat picture.ppm | ppmtoy4m -n 100 -r -F 25:1 -I t -L | ... That would work in this particular case, b

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Field order keeps changing

2004-10-29 Thread scott
On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 12:29, Richard Ellis wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:06:42PM +0100, scott wrote: > > I don't understand when you say "You won't see comb effects on your > > TV-set" > > It (the comb effect) will look different on a TV set than on a > computer monitor. You can still see i

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Roman Shaposhnick wrote: >I agree. But my point was to just draw attention to the fact that the line >between progressive and interlaced is blurred. Especially when you don't Well, bringing up "film" and "3:2" pulldown was perhaps not the best way ;)

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Dik Takken wrote: > > Actually it is mentioned in the toplevel (mjpegtools) manpage: > > > > "A quality factor should be chosen that way that the mplex output of > > Peak bit-rate and average bit-rate differ by about 20-25%\&... > > I read this manpage many times, but th

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Steven M. Schultz wrote: Argh - I shouldn't reply in haste between other tasks... > One thing that has worked very well is to use the 1/2 encoded frame > size (352x480 for 525line systems and 352x288 for 625line systems). That should have been 3

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread James Bigler
One thing that has worked very well is to use the 1/2 encoded frame size (352x480 for 525line systems and 352x288 for 625line systems). That should have been 352x576 for 625line systems. the 352xN is a valid DVD frame size that has worked well for me. Tell me more

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Dik Takken
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, James Bigler wrote: One thing that has worked very well is to use the 1/2 encoded frame size (352x480 for 525line systems and 352x288 for 625line systems). That should have been 352x576 for 625line systems. the 352xN is a valid DVD frame size

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Combining interlaced and progressive video

2004-10-29 Thread Martin Samuelsson
On Friday 29 October 2004 12:31, Dik Takken wrote: > This leads me to another question: Does lav2yuv do any postprocessing on > the MJPEG data to reduce compression artifacts? As far as I know: None whatsoever. lav2yuv's purpose in this world is to convert lav files into yuv files, nothing more.

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Field order keeps changing

2004-10-29 Thread Martin Samuelsson
On Thursday 28 October 2004 13:29, Richard Ellis wrote: > > Although I notice today that the whole picture jumps up and down a small > > amount when played back VCR->DC10->xawtv and this vertical shaking is > > visible in the lavrec recorded avi and the encoded mpeg (on the computer > > and tv). T

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, James Bigler wrote: > > That should have been 352x576 for 625line systems. the 352xN is > > a valid DVD frame size that has worked well for me. > > Tell me more about this, please. You can encode an MPEG-2 stream with > half the x resolution? I imagine you have

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Dik Takken
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Steven M. Schultz wrote: The other thing to look at is the output of 'mplex'. Mplex prints out the "Average" and "Peak" rates. You can get those numbers fairly quickly by specifying "-o /dev/null" to mplex: mplex -f 8 -o /dev/null input.m2v I have t

Re: [Mjpeg-users] mpeg2enc: progressive vs interlaced quality

2004-10-29 Thread Martin Samuelsson
On Thursday 28 October 2004 20:21, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > I make them progressive when I send them to the MPEG encoder > > With yuvdeinterlace or similar processing? If it's really interlaced > content then it won't work to simply tag it as progressive (but you > knew that

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Combining interlaced and progressive video

2004-10-29 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Martin Samuelsson wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2004 12:31, Dik Takken wrote: > > This leads me to another question: Does lav2yuv do any postprocessing on > > the MJPEG data to reduce compression artifacts? > > >This would make mpeg2enc's > > job a bit easier. I know MPlaye

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Field order keeps changing

2004-10-29 Thread scott
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 20:34, Martin Samuelsson wrote: > On Thursday 28 October 2004 13:29, Richard Ellis wrote: > > > Although I notice today that the whole picture jumps up and down a small > > > amount when played back VCR->DC10->xawtv and this vertical shaking is > > > visible in the lavrec reco

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Field order keeps changing

2004-10-29 Thread Martin Samuelsson
On Friday 29 October 2004 23:34, scott wrote: > > Scott, have you tried replaying the grabbed file with lavplay and the -x > > flag? > > Just tried with and without -x on the lstest.avi file at Playing that file in slow motion, I'd have to agree with Richard: It's most likely a problem with the V

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Field order keeps changing

2004-10-29 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Martin Samuelsson wrote: > On Friday 29 October 2004 23:34, scott wrote: > > Just tried with and without -x on the lstest.avi file at > > Playing that file in slow motion, I'd have to agree with Richard: It's most > likely a problem with the VCR not feeding the digitizer a

Re: [Mjpeg-users] Field order keeps changing

2004-10-29 Thread Bernhard Praschinger
Hallo > > > I am trying to capture a VHS PAL film using a DC10+ card (Pinnacle). > > > The capture works fine, but I have to move the bottom field forward in > > > order to get the correct pair of fields in the same frame. This works > > > fine, but the next problem I don't know how to solve: the