Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-25 Thread Jonathan Vanasco
I felt that for a moment too, then I read up online and saw Stas and the other core developers thoughts as Perrin highlighted below. I'm sure there could have been a million and one ways to delay the change... but they had a real imperative to do it as RC5. Not to mention -- I'm really glad th

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-24 Thread Perrin Harkins
Jie Gao wrote: I think we all knew this. But rc4 was about the last one before formal release, and Stas promised since rc2 or something that there would be no API change (I'm not blaming him on this though). Yes, please don't blame Stas for this. None of us wanted to make this change, and Stas wa

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-22 Thread Stas Bekman
Jie Gao wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Carl Johnstone wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:02:48 +0100 From: Carl Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: modperl@perl.apache.org Subject: Re: RC5 really broke some stuff People like Jonathan and myself just have to double up (or triple-up!) because

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-22 Thread Fred Moyer
>>If you're going to run beta or pre-release code - you've got to accept the >>risks that go with that. > > I think we all knew this. But rc4 was about the last one before formal > release, > and Stas promised since rc2 or something that there would be no API change > (I'm > not blaming him on t

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-22 Thread Jie Gao
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Carl Johnstone wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:02:48 +0100 > From: Carl Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: modperl@perl.apache.org > Subject: Re: RC5 really broke some stuff > > > > People like Jonathan and myself just have to double up

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-22 Thread Carl Johnstone
People like Jonathan and myself just have to double up (or triple-up!) because of the change. Try telling that to your bosses that the latest version of modperl is holding things back ('told you we should've used Java!'). Did your boss know that the "latest" version of mod_perl is actually a pr

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-22 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
Tom Schindl wrote: Not right. You could use the multienv-branch of libapreq. Tom Not true. Trunk was moved to a dead branch and this branch was moved to trunk in its place. You should use trunk. The multienv-branch nolonger exists. This happened Monday evenging. libapreq2(trunk) + mp2 RC5 is t

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-22 Thread Tom Schindl
jonathan vanasco wrote: Its pretty well documented everywhere -- including the announcement and install instructions libapreq does not work right yet. if you're dealing with production or stability sensitive stuff, i'd suggest keeping a copy of RC4 running and development on that release, the

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
Eeep... I missed it entirely. :) Adam K Philip M. Gollucci wrote: Adam Kennedy wrote: It sounds like the appropriate time for some enterprising young developer to grab a copy of PPI and write an mp2_rename tool, to do a first pass of what you describe below automatically. http://people.apache.

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
Adam Kennedy wrote: It sounds like the appropriate time for some enterprising young developer to grab a copy of PPI and write an mp2_rename tool, to do a first pass of what you describe below automatically. http://people.apache.org/~geoff/fixme Hi Adam, did you even look at this link. He's al

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
It sounds like the appropriate time for some enterprising young developer to grab a copy of PPI and write an mp2_rename tool, to do a first pass of what you describe below automatically. Anyone? Adam K Geoffrey Young wrote: it sucks, completely. i can't get my stuff to work under rc5 I feel f

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread John D Groenveld
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geoffrey Young writes: >the changes required to move your codebase from rc4 to rc5 should be really, >really minimal: For the record and for what its worth, Apache::DBILogin and Apache::AuthenURL have been updated for RC5. If someone wants to volunteer to take Apac

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread jonathan vanasco
On Apr 21, 2005, at 2:17 AM, Foo Ji-Haw wrote: People like Jonathan and myself just have to double up (or triple-up!) because of the change. Try telling that to your bosses that the latest version of modperl is holding things back ('told you we should've used Java!'). On Apr 21, 2005, at 1:14 A

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread Geoffrey Young
> it sucks, completely. i can't get my stuff to work under rc5 I feel for you, but I really don't understand this at all. the changes required to move your codebase from rc4 to rc5 should be really, really minimal: - Apache2.pm doesn't exist any more, so remove it - every Apache:: module

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-21 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
Foo Ji-Haw wrote: 5.9.3? Isn't the next official Perl version 5.10? Yes, this is unofficial bleedperl gotten via rsync. 5.8.6 will support the same configuration. I've not tried 5.6.2 yet -- END -- Philip M. Gollucci ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 301.25

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Foo Ji-Haw
5.9.3? Isn't the next official Perl version 5.10? Philip M. Gollucci wrote: It would be nice if some of the users who were so vocal about demanding this change a few months ago would help with the patching fun, or at least help explain to people like Jonathan and Ji-Haw why it needed to happen.

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Philip M. Gollucci
It would be nice if some of the users who were so vocal about demanding this change a few months ago would help with the patching fun, or at least help explain to people like Jonathan and Ji-Haw why it needed to happen. - Perrin Actually, I'd say that the developement is moving unimaginably fas

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Foo Ji-Haw
Thanks Perrin, I will just like to say that this is a point in time when modperl 2 developers are feeling pain right now. Documentation is good, and response on the mailing list is good. Things can always be better of course. People like Jonathan and myself just have to double up (or triple-up!)

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Adam Kennedy
I don't know the full story, but I am pretty sure that the movers and shakers in the decision team have a strong point for it (possibly documented in perl.apache.org). It's caused me unexpected pain recently as well; and I have to spend today as well working through my codes because of it. But

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Perrin Harkins
jonathan vanasco wrote: it sucks, completely. i can't get my stuff to work under rc5 , and I'm way behind schedule on my work, so i can't help with porting modules to rc5 . if you have spare time, you can set up an rc5 server and join in the patching fun. It would be nice if some of the user

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread jonathan vanasco
On Apr 21, 2005, at 12:10 AM, Michael J Schout wrote: http://perl.apache.org/dist/ you will also need to use perl modules for mod_perl that were released before rc5 -- as many are in the process of being ported over. the modules you use will be a mix of current-version modules and their immedia

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Randy Kobes
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Foo Ji-Haw wrote: > Where can one download pre-RC5 copies of mod_perl? It's > not on theoryx5 anymore. There's an older ppm package at http://perl.apache.org/dist/win32-bin/ppms/ However, I'll be replacing that version soonish with RC5, as these release candidates contain f

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Michael J Schout
Foo Ji-Haw wrote: Where can one download pre-RC5 copies of mod_perl? You can still get RC4 from http://perl.apache.org/dist/ Regards, Michael Schout

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Foo Ji-Haw
Where can one download pre-RC5 copies of mod_perl? It's not on theoryx5 anymore. jonathan vanasco wrote: Its pretty well documented everywhere -- including the announcement and install instructions libapreq does not work right yet. if you're dealing with production or stability sensitive stu

Re: RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread jonathan vanasco
Its pretty well documented everywhere -- including the announcement and install instructions libapreq does not work right yet. if you're dealing with production or stability sensitive stuff, i'd suggest keeping a copy of RC4 running and development on that release, then reading the migration

RC5 really broke some stuff

2005-04-20 Thread Foo Ji-Haw
It looks like the latest release of MP2 RC5 has been giving new installs code breaks. I don't know the full story, but I am pretty sure that the movers and shakers in the decision team have a strong point for it (possibly documented in perl.apache.org). It's caused me unexpected pain recently