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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [Mono-list] I give up / Mac OS X PPC support
This is a rather short-sighted viewpoint, I have to say. If you were talking
about today, Monday April 12, 2004, then ya, sure, "if the election
This is a rather short-sighted viewpoint, I have to say. If you were
talking about today, Monday April 12, 2004, then ya, sure, "if the
election were today" then Windows.NET would win hands down. That's not
what this project is about however.
I strongly disagree with the statement "if Mono PPC do
Hi all,
Developing and delivering software like Mono is not an easy task and a complex engineering project. We're committed to delivering Mono 1.0 in June and supporting the Linux x86, MacOS X platforms, have no doubt about that. As you know we also intend to provide support for Solaris and Linux
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Sent: April 9, 2004 10:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Re: [Mono-list] I give up / Mac OS X PPC support
I would add that "Free" software is not "free" as in &q
I would add that "Free" software is not "free" as in "free beer". It is
"free" as in "freedom to do what you want with it", and with freedom
comes responsibility.
At first glance, since I have only seen this snippet of his original
post, if urgent Mac OSX support is that important to Mr. Mentzer,
I would add that "Free" software is not "free" as in "free beer". It is
"free" as in "freedom to do what you want with it", and with freedom
comes responsibility.
At first glance, since I have only seen this snippet of his original
post, if urgent Mac OSX support is that important to Mr. Mentzer,
Steve Mentzer wrote:
> No offense to the mono team, but you should either drop support
> for PPC entirely or actually concentrate on getting it as stable
> as x86/linux.
I think that this is exactly what the good folks on the mono team are
doing and I, for one, applaud their efforts. The mono proj
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 04:32, Joseph Bennie wrote:
> >> Remember to the rest of us who are just looking
> >> to be productive, we don't want to have to learn new tricks if we
> >> don't have to
> >
> >
> > Well, I have to say that this is possibly why there are so many poor
> > windows applicatio
Hello,
> > Yes, Mono on MacOS X is not ready. We will have a proper announcement
> > when it is ready for consumption.
> >
> > We are aware of the bugs, and the problems on the engine, you will do
> > yourself a service by just waiting at this point, trying to compile
> > Mono
> > on MacOS is on
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From: Steve Mentzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Re: [Mono-list] I give up / Mac OS X PPC support
On x86 hardware, I prefer windows xp/2003. Sorry, I love *nix, but linux
doesn't do much for
Remember to the rest of us who are just looking
to be productive, we don't want to have to learn new tricks if we
don't have to
Well, I have to say that this is possibly why there are so many poor
windows applications that just don't understand the whole concept of
multi-user. WordPerfect used
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Joop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi lists, (hope this does not get mis-understood... I'm not subscribed
> to any of the non-mono-lists :-( although I maybe should be)
> this problem I have seen with Mono and the other .NET implementations is
> just
Sadly, I must agree. The mono team have made excellent progress on bringing PPC into
the JIT era but.
On a whim, I decided to install fedora core 1 and build mono. It built and installed
without incident. Truly remarkable. I must say that I was impressed. XSP kept
crashing, but that is
On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 15:12, Joseph Bennie wrote:
> Respect.
>
> We've all been there at some point.
>
> Don't get me started on GUI's' i don't have the time either.
>
> Yes i could learn QT or GTK or even one of the alternatives but i
> really believe that the secret to GUI development with m
Yes, Mono on MacOS X is not ready. We will have a proper announcement
when it is ready for consumption.
We are aware of the bugs, and the problems on the engine, you will do
yourself a service by just waiting at this point, trying to compile
Mono
on MacOS is only frustrating at this time.
I wish
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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 5:26 PM
To: Urs Muff; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] I give up / Mac OS X PPC support
hello,
Urs Muff wrote:
>I feel your pain, trust me!
>
>One thing I have to say: installing mono has gotten mu
Hello,
> Down the road you may be able to run gtk-sharp on Mac or Windows, or run
> Windows.Forms on *nix and Mac, but I would not recommend that, since
> - Gtk is the native UI platform for *nix
> - Windows.Forms is the native UI platform for Windows
> - and, Cocoa is the native UI platform for M
Hello,
> Grudgingly, I have to agree with above statement(s). Mono support for
> Mac OS X/ PPC is fragile at best. I even tried to put together a page
> on the basic steps (
> http://homepage.mac.com/griffincaprio/mono/RunningMonoOnMacOSX.html ),
> but I have all but given up trying to maint
Respect.
We've all been there at some point.
Don't get me started on GUI's' i don't have the time either.
Yes i could learn QT or GTK or even one of the alternatives but i
really believe that the secret to GUI development with mono is a
completely working System.drawing layer which on the lin
hello,
a little bit further, i edited /sw/etc/mono/config, adding /sw/lib to
all of the .dylibs. now if i try to mint gtk-sharp/sample/ButtonApp.exe:
Unhandled Exception: System.ExecutionEngineException: No GCHandle
support built-in
#0: 0x0in
System.Runtime.InteropServices.GCHa
hello,
Urs Muff wrote:
I feel your pain, trust me!
One thing I have to say: installing mono has gotten much easier:
- Install fink from fink.sourceforge.net
- Make sure to be adding the unstable tree (either with Fink Commander ->
Preferences -> Fink
- use unstable packages
- use
Urs Muff wrote:
I feel your pain, trust me!
One thing I have to say: installing mono has gotten much easier:
- Install fink from fink.sourceforge.net
- Make sure to be adding the unstable tree (either with Fink Commander ->
Preferences -> Fink
- use unstable packages
- use unstabl
r. Thank you.
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Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:24 AM
To: Attila Balogh
Cc: Jeffrey McManus; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mono-list] I give up / Mac OS X PPC support
> my problem with
my problem with gtk# personally is that mac os x is not supported.
although you can find people who hacked it together, if you co it
from cvs, and install it, the samples don't work. i don't have a linux
box, only a mac, and i would love to play with mono on it, but it's
been two months now,
Jeffrey McManus wrote:
I'm interested to know what your (and others') problems with GTK# are and
what you mean by "support" -- are you finding it difficult to learn, in
other words would better documentation help? Or are you finding it difficult
to use, things aren't working as advertised, that ki
On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 09:33, Dan Winship wrote:
> > If someone would actually take the time, Qt# can be used to write good
> > applications.
>
> Then take the time. If you find any bugs in mono that keep Qt# from working,
> we'll gladly accept your patches.
...and bug reports
Jeff
>
> -- Dan
> If someone would actually take the time, Qt# can be used to write good
> applications.
Then take the time. If you find any bugs in mono that keep Qt# from working,
we'll gladly accept your patches.
-- Dan
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It falls under the LGPL
Jeff
On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 07:33, Timothy Parez wrote:
> What license does GTK fall under?
>
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On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 02:44, Marcus wrote:
> On Thursday 08 April 2004 1:31 am, Michael J. Ryan wrote:
> > Also have to mention that GTK# can be used on the windows
> > side.
You have things slightly confused.
> First Qt was "bad" because it wasn't GPL.
It wasn't bad because it wasn't
> It's no use building 50 wrappers for GUI toolkits, we need a single
> stable 100% working toolkit.
I agree...
> A GUI toolkit will only succeed if
>
> - It runs on both Windows & *Nix platforms without restrictions
> - It can be easely installed by grandpa and grandma
> - There is a good GUI f
It's no use building 50 wrappers for GUI toolkits, we need a single
stable 100% working toolkit.
A GUI toolkit will only succeed if
- It runs on both Windows & *Nix platforms without restrictions
- It can be easely installed by grandpa and grandma
- There is a good GUI form editor available (thin
Joop, Marcus, et al,
I understand your frustrations. Yes, you are right, all the
file/networking/HTML/etc. is there, and GUI is still in it's infancy. IMO
the reasons are that first, it's often much easier to write these lower
level APIs, and second, GUI APIs are usually layered on top of almost
e
In 1997 I worked for a company that was developing
a broadcast platform, and we used to develop in C++
on Linux with Qt... Even if I prefer GTK+, I must admit that
Qt was a very nice portable C++ framework.
Furthermore, even if GTK+ is one of my preferred frameworks,
I tend to avoid Gtk# (which is
t
to use, things aren't working as advertised, that kind of thing?
Jeffrey
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On Friday 09 April 2004 1:35 am, George Farris wrote:
> Nonsense. Mono and Gtk# work extremely well today. I know, I've built a
> fully functional app (Gfax) and all one has to do is look at a few other
> apps such as F-Spot, Muine, Monodoc and Monodevelop to realize this.
If someone would actual
On Thursday 08 April 2004 1:31 am, Michael J. Ryan wrote:
> Also have to mention that GTK# can be used on the windows
> side.
First Qt was "bad" because it wasn't GPL. Now it's "bad" because it's GPL. I
don't get it.
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Nonsense. Mono and Gtk# work extremely well today. I know, I've built a
fully functional app (Gfax) and all one has to do is look at a few other
apps such as F-Spot, Muine, Monodoc and Monodevelop to realize this.
On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 23:05, Joop wrote:
> Hi lists, (hope this does not get mis-un
Also have to mention that GTK# can be used on the windows
side.
Giuseppe Greco wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Of course, Mono is still under development, but the most
important components are there, and they work. Here, at
Agamura, we are developing a sophisticated online gaming
delivery network on Linux with
t kind of thing?
Jeffrey
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> Subject: [Mono-list]
Hi lists, (hope this does not get mis-understood... I'm not subscribed
to any of the non-mono-lists :-( although I maybe should be)
this problem I have seen with Mono and the other .NET implementations is
just the problem the original poster poses. There is not "real
commitment to"/"clear road-a
Hi Marcus,
Of course, Mono is still under development, but the most
important components are there, and they work. Here, at
Agamura, we are developing a sophisticated online gaming
delivery network on Linux with Mono, and up to now, we
have had just few problems... Furthermore, when we report
a bu
After trying to work with Mono, Portable.NET, Qt, and KDE, I've realized that
I'm fighting a battle that I cannot win. Mono supports Gtk# (and GTK+) to the
exclusion of any other platform. Portable.NET is behind their own SWF
implementation, but at least they are a bit more agnostic. The Qt/KDE
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