Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Valeri Todorov wrote: Hello, Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set of content YOU define with ease.

Re: problems with java server pages (jsp)

2001-06-22 Thread Chris Inacio
thank you for explaining that to me. I need to get my head out of the sand and stop developing asic's to get back to code. I will read that page and see what it says thanks again chris Carlfish wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:40:06 -0400, Chris Inacio [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread RV
JTK wrote: It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. Polished? Of course it is. IE 6 should have been called 5.6. Wasn't 6.0 supposed to be a significant rewrite of the html

Re: Major Featur Status?

2001-06-22 Thread Jay Garcia
David Wilson wrote: Friends of Mozilla I do contribute fairly regularly by submitting bug reports in the standard one item/issue per report as best suits fixing and am a strong Moz supporter to the end. This, however, is a mixed bag of suggestions directed to folks who may be

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread Jay Garcia
Asa Dotzler wrote: JTK wrote: Blake Ross wrote: snip That's not true at all; you're making broad statements without providing any support. Contributors to Mozilla can work on whatever they want. Perhaps an AIM-compatible IM client? Yeah, didn't think so. AOL does not

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Sol Hell
Depends on your operating system. Usually win98 version is released first. DeMoN_LaG wrote: JTK wrote: Marc Leger wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Sol Hell wrote: Depends on your operating system. Usually win98 version is released first. I'm looking at the Windows Update site and at the IE6 preview site, neither seem to have anything newer. I do, however, notice that IE6's minimum install size on Win NT/2k is 75Megs, on 98/SE it's

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread Orrin Edenfield
JTK wrote: Perhaps an AIM-compatible IM client? Yeah, didn't think so. Well, I know someone who is writing a Jabber client for Mozilla, and since Jabber supports AIM, Yahoo! Messenger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, and IRC, that would be that there IS a AIM client for Mozilla besides the Netscape

help

2001-06-22 Thread Steve Dekter/P.I. Video Production
Hi, using win/98, through the communicator tap I access address book. As I scroll through the names in the address book the address's disappear and causes netscape communicator 4.77 to crash. I get the following error. Can anyone please advise. Please e mail to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you

Re: help

2001-06-22 Thread Garth Wallace
Steve Dekter/P.I. Video Production wrote: Hi, using win/98, through the communicator tap I access address book. As I scroll through the names in the address book the address's disappear and causes netscape communicator 4.77 to crash. I get the following error. Can anyone please advise.

Re: Static Build

2001-06-22 Thread Garth Wallace
Stuart Ballard wrote: DLLs (or SOs on unix; don't know the Mac equivalent) Shared Libraries

Re: Newsgroups restructure

2001-06-22 Thread Garth Wallace
Asa Dotzler wrote: DeMoN_LaG wrote: *gasp* You are going to say that Mozilla can't access a web based news service through the news client??? Oh my god, how has this feature been left out. I mean, IE has had this for, what, 5, 10 years now? Oh? IE doesn't have this feature? What

problems with XPCOM.DLL !!!

2001-06-22 Thread darkchrome
I've restarted my computer, re-installed NS6-PR1 twice nothing seems to work!!!. Any ideas would be very welcome. Let me know if you need any more diagnostic info. JT Oh yeah here's the error message NETSCP6 caused an invalid page fault in module XPCOM.DLL at 0167:60ec26dc. Registers:

Re: MS and Open Source

2001-06-22 Thread RV
Stuart Ballard wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">RV wrote: ... an one more time Microsoft is caught with its pants down with theirlatest FreeBSD (OPEN SOURCE) latest fiasco/embarrassment. I wonder abouthow many lines of GPLed code might illegally reside in MS products aswell.. After all their

Re: MS and Open Source

2001-06-22 Thread RV
JTK wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">RV wrote: JTK wrote: RV wrote:[snip] They have equated Open Source as being insecure. I have severalpeopleapproach me already at the college where i teach and ask me why Iamusing an Open Source web browser. They are afraid someone caninsertcode (back

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
DeMoN_LaG wrote: JTK wrote: Blake Ross wrote: Yeah, pretty much: You work on the stuff we don't want to, we'll take it and bundle it with a bunch of stuff that's proprietary, and you get nada. So long, sucker! Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. I know all too

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones disappear completely when

Re: Static Build

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
jesus X wrote: Stuart Ballard wrote: [snip] DLLs (or SOs on unix; don't know the Mac equivalent) Seeds? :) MAH! Now I get it! Seeds, Apple... You still got it rabbi, even after 2000 years! -- jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ] email [

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Stuart Ballard
JTK wrote: jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones

Re: Newsgroups restructure

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Asa Dotzler wrote: [snip] Actually Mozilla is very close. A couple of hackers have developed a Mozilla add-on called forumzilla which gives the user a mail-news interface for reading weblogs like mozillazine, kuro5hin, slashdot, etc. Sah-weet! So who want to run the pool for guessing

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
DeMoN_LaG wrote: Valeri Todorov wrote: Hello, Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set of

Re: problems with XPCOM.DLL !!!

2001-06-22 Thread Holger Metzger
darkchrome wrote: I've restarted my computer, re-installed NS6-PR1 twice nothing seems to work!!!. Any ideas would be very welcome. Let me know if you need any more diagnostic info. JT Oh yeah here's the error message NETSCP6 caused an invalid page fault in module XPCOM.DLL at

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Orrin Edenfield wrote: JTK wrote: Perhaps an AIM-compatible IM client? Yeah, didn't think so. Well, I know someone who is writing a Jabber client for Mozilla, and since Jabber supports AIM, Yahoo! Messenger, MSN Messenger, ICQ, and IRC, that would be that there IS a AIM client for

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering. Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating. I refer people who want to know the accurate numbers to the n.p.mozilla.performance newsgroup. -- Ian Hickson )\

Lost Bookmark Sidebar

2001-06-22 Thread Ben Ruppel
Hi, I've been using mozilla nightlies, but recently I installed NS6.1 beta to check it out. After I uninstalled NS6.1 and went back to mozilla, I noticed that the bookmarks sidebar tab didn't work any more. This has happened before, so I unchecked bookmarks and removed the tab in the

Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at the right time. It delivered the standards support the market was

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread Orrin Edenfield
JTK wrote: Sounds like a real furball about to start, huh? Isn't that what makes open source so beautiful? Anyone can make anything they want. Netscape can make a browser, someone else can make a cross-platform, cross-company IM app, other people are making games, calulators, and some

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering. Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating. Touche, mon ami. The difference between IE's memory usage and Mathuzilla's is in fact not ~20MB (that's Maozilla's total

Mozilla is a joke

2001-06-22 Thread bob
Those who have worked on this product should be ashamed! It is a complete waste of time. It is unreliable and unworthy of the effort. It is a joke!

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread Jay Garcia
JTK wrote: Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at the right time. It delivered the standards

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at the right time. It

Re: Mozilla is a joke

2001-06-22 Thread Jay Garcia
bob wrote: Those who have worked on this product should be ashamed! It is a complete waste of time. It is unreliable and unworthy of the effort. It is a joke! Why don't you download/install/run the latest build. You're running a VERY old build. -- Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion Novell

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: As for the 4 times, it was stated by somebody in .performance only a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE]. Yes. Things are moving fast. I have no way to directly compare myself, so I can only repeat what I've heard from others. On local network

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: The defense rests. The prosecution left three or four months ago... What are you talking about? You persecute me every day! Since word plays rely on the _same_ word or concept being used in two different scenarios, your attempt at humour fails dismally.

Re: Mozilla is a joke

2001-06-22 Thread Albert
Jay Garcia wrote: bob wrote: Those who have worked on this product should be ashamed! It is a complete waste of time. It is unreliable and unworthy of the effort. It is a joke! Why don't you download/install/run the latest build. You're running a VERY old build.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: As for the 4 times, it was stated by somebody in .performance only a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE]. Yes. Things are moving fast. At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. I have no

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: The defense rests. The prosecution left three or four months ago... What are you talking about? You persecute me every day! Since word plays rely on the _same_ word or concept being used in two different scenarios, your

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: DeMoN_LaG wrote: Valeri Todorov wrote: Hello, Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering. Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating. Touche, mon ami. The difference between IE's memory usage and Mathuzilla's is in fact not ~20MB (that's Maozilla's

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at the right time. It delivered the standards

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: As for the 4 times, it was stated by somebody in .performance only a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE]. Yes. Things are moving fast. At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. Do

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Take it anyway you want to Hixie, just as long as you take it with ya when you leave!* *That's just a little more humor for ya Hixie, I neither want nor expect you to leave, nor care whether you do. Why do you assume that someone named Hickson is southern?

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Carlfish
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:23:08 -0400, DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: You must not use Mozilla. It visibly renders the same speed as IE on my system. Faster on some pages, actually. Usually ones with complex tables throughout them, and the browser is much more

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread RV
JTK wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your "Favorites" are on the left side of thescreen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Hence the hilarity. We call 'em puns 'round these parts. Well, I'm not one to criticise people for having different senses of humour, so instead, to get a laugh of my own, I passed your reply through the blender. I hope others like this too. :-) | JTK is a

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that JTK wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: The defense rests. The prosecution left three or four months ago... What are you talking about? You persecute me every day! Since word plays rely on the _same_ word or concept being used

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Yes. Things are moving fast. At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. Never mind the dimensional flaw in that statement. I have no way to directly compare myself, so I can only repeat what I've heard from others. On local

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
Valeri Todorov wrote: Well, it is same in IE, and I think from IE4 - you may add toolbard and pannels, which could be anything you want, including another instance of the browser itself. I think by the time IE4 was out, no one knew what mozilla is By the time IE4 was out MOZILLA DIDN'T EXIST

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. A light year is not a measurement of time, it is a measurement of distance. Daily numbers? Sorry Mr. Hickson, .performance often goes *days* without ANY posts whatsoever! You must be reading off Netscape's

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones disappear completely when they're disabled). No, it's much more. the sidebar can contain almost anything you want to put in it. It can display RDFs from your favorite sites (sometimes called tickers), bookmarks, java

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: Yep. Sure be nice if some Open mail/newsreader wouldn't be so afraid to innovate and came up with a way to interface to these systems and bypass all those godforsaken banner ads. The problem in doing this is authentication. Most webmail services are not simply a webpage accessing

Re: Will Mozilla download Netscape Webmail for offline reading

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
Orrin Edenfield wrote: Isn't that what makes open source so beautiful? Anyone can make anything they want. Netscape can make a browser, someone else can make a cross-platform, cross-company IM app, other people are making games, calulators, and some day even a office suite! I'm working on

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at the right time. It delivered the standards

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
Ian Hickson wrote: I am glad, however, that you consider my e-mails annoying. I will take that as a compliment too. Obviously my merciless onslaught of fact has left him weak, as he has stopped responding to my posts almost altogether. I think I may have found the anti-troll serum: large doses

Re: Mozilla is a joke

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
bob wrote: Those who have worked on this product should be ashamed! It is a complete waste of time. It is unreliable and unworthy of the effort. It is a joke! Then why are you running it? At least get a new build. There have been MASSIVE changes in the past 3 months. -- jesus X [

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Carlfish
On 23 Jun 2001 03:37:05 GMT, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: As has been mentioned by others in this thread, this statement would seem to indicate you have misconfigured your browser. benefit-of-the-doubt Netnews propagation is inherently unreliable, and JTK doesn't

Re: Netscape hasn't changed a bit

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], jesus X says... JTK wrote: Just wanted to make sure nobody thought that Netscape is any different now than it was when Netscape 6.0 was released. From http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,44617,00.html: Netscape 6 was absolutely the right product at

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], jesus X says... JTK wrote: At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. A light year is not a measurement of time, it is a measurement of distance. Thank you, Lord, Mr. Lag, Mr. Hixie, et al, for informing me of a fact which my six

Re: Newsgroups restructure

2001-06-22 Thread Asa Dotzler
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Marcin Januchta wrote: You may find this question silly, but what/who is RMS and GPL? Not a silly question at all. RMS is Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU (which stands for GNU's Not Unix) project.

Re: Newsgroups restructure

2001-06-22 Thread Asa Dotzler
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Marcin Januchta wrote: You may find this question silly, but what/who is RMS and GPL? Not a silly question at all. RMS is Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU (which stands for GNU's Not Unix) project.

Re: Querying Bugzilla causes 100% CPU usage lockup

2001-06-22 Thread Asa Dotzler
Phil Edwards wrote: Every time I try to do an advanced Bugzilla query, Moz 0.9.1 shoots to solid CPU usage as the results are being displayed. I have to SIGKILL it from an xterm. It's repeatable every time. (Using linux.) I have no idea what it's doing. Even with only 50 or so matches,

Re: How to get information on memory leakage of mozilla

2001-06-22 Thread Asa Dotzler
Bagus Mahawan wrote: Hi, I've seen gtkembed's memory leak test results on netscape.public.mozilla.embedding, but I couldn't find any leak information of mozilla itself. How is mozilla memory leak tested ? Is there any docs on leak test and its results ? Regards, Bagus gtkembed is