Re: [mb-style] new relationship type "parody"

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Golding
what about things like The Rutles songs, which parody groups of songs at once.. for isntance "Hold My Hand" is a parody of BOTH She Loves You and I Wanna Hold Your Hand--they're sort of merged together... should it be  (X is a parody of Y) & (X is a parody of Z)or  X is a parody of (Y and Z)???On 4

Re: [mb-style] Classical Style Guide: Using Bach's work no. as prefix or suffix

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Golding
On 4/4/06, Nathan Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, is MB really supposed to be a music> > encyclopedia?>>> what else would you call it?Hmm, a music metadata database? well, specifically music metadata.  anyway, all the data i'm talking about is metadata...  Ultimately, MB haslittle more in

[mb-style] Re: new relationship type "parody"

2006-04-04 Thread Matt Perry
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, derGraph wrote: http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1261 I think it's a great idea since these types of songs aren't covers. -- Matt Perry | matt at primefactor dot com ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lis

Re: [mb-style] Classical Style Guide: Using Bach's work no. as prefix or suffix

2006-04-04 Thread Nathan Noble
> Also, is MB really supposed to be a music > > encyclopedia? > > > what else would you call it? Hmm, a music metadata database? Ultimately, MB has little more info on anything than fits in an id3 tag. No collection of id3 tags, no matter how large, could match the informational power of a wri

Re: [mb-style] Classical Style Guide: Using Bach's work no. as prefix or suffix

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Golding
On 4/4/06, Nathan Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This would imply creating perhaps hundreds of sparselypopulated db columns, or a more sophisticated schemawith dynamic attributes.  Performance has to beconsidered. i agreee this issue must be addressed.  we would need input templated for various e

Re: [mb-style] Classical Style Guide: Using Bach's work no. as prefix or suffix

2006-04-04 Thread Nathan Noble
This would imply creating perhaps hundreds of sparsely populated db columns, or a more sophisticated schema with dynamic attributes. Performance has to be considered. Also, is MB really supposed to be a music encyclopedia? If it were like one, how many people would use this info? I don't know t

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Chris Bransden
On 05/04/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > for me, it remains that the majority of DVD 'rips' will have an > > obvious titleing structure. > > a) Can you prove that claim? I could not, nor could I prove the > opposite, because there is no database I know of which has such information.

Re: [mb-style] Classical Style Guide: Using Bach's work no. as prefix or suffix

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Golding
On 4/3/06, Nathan Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you think the scope should be so broad?  Remembertoo that someone has to find and enter all this data manually, which might be fine for Beethoven's fifth(though I sure wouldn't bother finding half of thatmetadata), but not so much fun or imposs

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread derGraph
for me, it remains that the majority of DVD 'rips' will have an obvious titleing structure. a) Can you prove that claim? I could not, nor could I prove the opposite, because there is no database I know of which has such information. b) Do you suggest creating a rule which only applies to a "

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Chris Bransden
On 04/04/06, derGraph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Q1: Which DVD types should we add? > A1: None. We don't have a data format to store even a part of the data. > See [1], [2] and [3] for details. for me, it remains that the majority of DVD 'rips' will have an obvious titleing structure. eg, they w

Re: [mb-style] new relationship type "parody"

2006-04-04 Thread dj empirical
On 4/4/06, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it! as do i. perhaps there could be a "pastiche" (or "style parody") relationship as well? example: Weird Al's "Germs" is a pastiche of Nine Inch Nails, and his "Dare to Be Stupid" is a pastiche of Devo. -- --dj empirical-- - http://ww

Re: [mb-style] LiveTrackStyle

2006-04-04 Thread Simon Reinhardt
Bogdan Butnaru wrote: Just one thought about the live&acoustic thing. Right, while we're on it, I have something related. The wording of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/OtherVersionRelationshipType is bugging me, I left a comment and a proposal for some additional attributes in the discussion se

RE: [mb-style] new relationship type "parody"

2006-04-04 Thread Beth
I like it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of derGraph Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [mb-style] new relationship type "parody" http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1261 After being disappointed many

[mb-style] new relationship type "parody"

2006-04-04 Thread derGraph
http://test.musicbrainz.org/trac/ticket/1261 After being disappointed many times that there was no "parody" AR type, I decided to create a trac ticket on this. It essentially suggests a track-to-track relationship type to link parodies like [track] is a parody of [track] [track] was parodied

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread derGraph
i'm talking about seperating audio from video, not ripping CDs. But they're already separate things, you can't play the video to the speakers or the audio to the display device. They are separate after decoding. In the video files however, they are mixed with each other to create a

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread derGraph
For those who are not confused enough, let's create additional confusion. ;-] There currently seems to be a fraction supporting all DVDs to be added as official releases, and another fraction that would rather see DVD rips to be added as bootlegs. Since both fractions argue against each othe

Re: [mb-style] Pieces with two names (in two languages)

2006-04-04 Thread Cristov Russell
To the first question I would say yes; put the French name in parens. To the second question no; genre information is not stored in MB. Cristov (wolfsong) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ari Torhamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [mb-style] Pieces with two names (in

[mb-style] Pieces with two names (in two languages)

2006-04-04 Thread Ari Torhamo
Hi, I'm new to MusicBrainz and have a question about naming. I couldn't find the anwser from the Style Guidelines. On the CD in question most titles of individual pieces have their names in two languages. They are presented like this: 1. PARIISIN TAIVAAN ALLA -SOUS LE CIEL DE PARIS- ...and s

Re: [mb-style] ok i'm wrong.. what about a performance date field for DVDs? (was WTF DVD?)

2006-04-04 Thread Brian Gurtler
Chris Bransden wrote: > On 04/04/06, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> what about an option to give live releases 2 titles? >> one with the live/bootleg style and one with any possible DVD title or >> even bootleg title? be able to select one of the two when tagging. >> hell maybe all rel

Re: [mb-style] ok i'm wrong.. what about a performance date field for DVDs? (was WTF DVD?)

2006-04-04 Thread Chris Bransden
On 04/04/06, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what about an option to give live releases 2 titles? > one with the live/bootleg style and one with any possible DVD title or > even bootleg title? be able to select one of the two when tagging. > hell maybe all releases could use an alternate

[mb-style] ok i'm wrong.. what about a performance date field for DVDs? (was WTF DVD?)

2006-04-04 Thread Brian Gurtler
i liked this email! Orion wrote: > Alright, then picture this situation: I take a live DVD I purchased, > place it in my DVD drive, hit play, and minimize the player. I continue > working on my computer and would like to look up the info on a > particular track quickly. The case doesn't have a t

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Orion
Actually I thought it was doing some magic. Apparently not! bash-2.05b# ./disc_id /dev/acd0c libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access 3dd959cdd9c8122e569450d86ba195a9 bash-2.05b# cat /mnt/video_ts/*.ifo | md5 3dd959cdd9c8122e569450d86ba195a9 Steve Not an ideal solution then, it

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Nikki
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:00:21PM -0400, Brian Gurtler wrote: > i'm talking about seperating audio from video, not ripping CDs. But they're already separate things, you can't play the video to the speakers or the audio to the display device. There's nothing to stop people minimising the video,

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Steve Wyles
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Nikki wrote: On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Steve Wyles wrote: I feel that if DVD's are added, they should have a DVD-discid (this can be obtained using libdvdread) attached to them. This is the probably the best way to determine if something is an official relea

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Nikki
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 04:22:52PM +0100, Steve Wyles wrote: > I feel that if DVD's are added, they should have a DVD-discid (this can > be obtained using libdvdread) attached to them. This is the probably the > best way to determine if something is an official release or not. Oh? Care to elabora

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD?

2006-04-04 Thread Orion
Alright, then picture this situation: I take a live DVD I purchased, place it in my DVD drive, hit play, and minimize the player. I continue working on my computer and would like to look up the info on a particular track quickly. The case doesn't have a tracklisting on it and I don't want to

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Brian Gurtler
i'm talking about seperating audio from video, not ripping CDs. Cristov Russell wrote: > No. Following that logic, every ripped format (mp3, wav, flac, aac, mp4, ogg, > etc.) that was not released via an artist or their label is a Bootleg. The > original media source should be the determinate of

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Cristov Russell
No. Following that logic, every ripped format (mp3, wav, flac, aac, mp4, ogg, etc.) that was not released via an artist or their label is a Bootleg. The original media source should be the determinate of what is Official or Bootleg. Cristov (wolfsong) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brian G

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Steve Wyles
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Brian Gurtler wrote: Beth wrote: My thoughts... Q1. Which DVDs to add? A1. All DVD musical rips. Arguments: it was argued MB was a music database. Music DVD's are based on music and bands. That in itself seems to be a good reason to add them. If MB is supposed to be

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Chris Bransden
On 04/04/06, Brian Gurtler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beth wrote: > > My thoughts... > > > > Q1. Which DVDs to add? > > A1. All DVD musical rips. > > Arguments: it was argued MB was a music database. Music > > DVD's are based on music and bands. That in itself seems to be a good reason >

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Brian Gurtler
Beth wrote: > My thoughts... > > Q1. Which DVDs to add? > A1. All DVD musical rips. > Arguments: it was argued MB was a music database. Music > DVD's are based on music and bands. That in itself seems to be a good reason > to add them. If MB is supposed to be an archive of band's music at

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
My opinions too: Q1. Which DVDs to add? A1. All DVD rips, discourage non-musical ones. Arguments: (1) I'll usually have some sort of mp3 rip of whatever music DVDs I buy; however this is (in my opinion) useful only for (a) live concerts and (b) not released anywhere else tracks, because I'll proba

RE: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread Beth
My thoughts... Q1. Which DVDs to add? A1. All DVD musical rips. Arguments: it was argued MB was a music database. Music DVD's are based on music and bands. That in itself seems to be a good reason to add them. If MB is supposed to be an archive of band's music at least.) Q2. DVD to title

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD?

2006-04-04 Thread Orion
Don Redman wrote: I think we should stick to your three questions and tackle them one after the other. Which DVDs to add? For a bit of real life data on types - I have ~375 music related DVDs in my collection. The break down is as follows: Singles: 133 Music video collections: 74 Live conce

Re: [mb-style] WTF DVD? (was: Veto - DVD in album titles)

2006-04-04 Thread derGraph
I am not sure whether the third one needs an oficial ruling by Robert right now. If we get a decision on the first two, this might be well enough for the tinme being. People will start to structure DVDs in the db, this will shake things up again, and maybe the answer to the last question will

Re: [mb-style] Classical Style Guide: Using Bach's work no. as prefix or suffix

2006-04-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2006/4/3, Nathan Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Do you think the scope should be so broad? Remember > too that someone has to find and enter all this data > manually, which might be fine for Beethoven's fifth > (though I sure wouldn't bother finding half of that > metadata), but not so much fun or i