Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-06-08 Thread Paul C. Bryan
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 16:16 +0100, Pete Marsh wrote: > This makes my head hurt, but here's a couple of questions just to make > sure I'm kind of understanding it Take 2 ARs and call us in the morning. ;-) > 1) how do we ascertain that a remix has enough new content to make it > a new work

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-06-08 Thread Paul C. Bryan
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 07:28 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: > One thing that concerns me a bit with a work→work remix ar: Remixes are > typically based on a specific recording of a work. How do we represent > this in Musicbrainz? Should we continue to use the recording→recording > AR alongside the wo

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Concept of works group

2011-06-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/6/8 caramel > > I much prefer having just one entity type (and we've already got a type >> attribute on it to specify groupy things) and linking with relationships to >> having a group entity and a schema link. >> > *Yes, we can decide to have only one "work" for one composition... > includ

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Simon Reinhardt
Alex Mauer wrote: > The RFC period has ended for this proposal[1], with no major objections. > I have updated the proposal with some more guidelines for its use based > on the list response, and so bring this to RFV status. > > 1. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Work_Parts_Relationship +1 __

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Lemire, Sebastien
When tagging, the way I work (I had written a script in The Godfather and scraped Allmusic.com, which hasn't worked in a few years, from lack of motivation to update it) was this way: %WORK_NAME%: String Quartet No. 2 in F major, Op. 22 (In fact I even split the Work name and Opus in separate tags

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Michael Wiencek
On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/08/2011 12:09 PM, Michael Wiencek wrote: >> When a work has a hundred different recordings, it makes it much easier to >> view and manage the list because they are sorted and grouped by the link >> phrase. > > Interesting, I think it makes it

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/08/2011 12:09 PM, Michael Wiencek wrote: > When a work has a hundred different recordings, it makes it much easier to > view and manage the list because they are sorted and grouped by the link > phrase. Interesting, I think it makes it more difficult because you have to look in several diffe

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/08/2011 12:07 PM, Lemire, Sebastien wrote: > +1 for me as well. > I just had a thought about this, how about if the subpart works *DO > NOT* include the linked work in their name. > > Example (for classical): > Currently there's a work under Tchaikovsky: String Quartet No. 2 in F > major, O

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread symphonick
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 19:11:14 +0200, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Lemire, Sebastien > wrote: >> Ideally, the sub-work should only be "III. Andante ma non tanto" > Anyway, let's pass this RFV like it is for now and changes can be > proposed later :) +1

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Lemire, Sebastien wrote: > +1 for me as well. > I just had  a thought about this, how about if the subpart works *DO > NOT* include the linked work in their name. > > Example (for classical): > Currently there's a work under Tchaikovsky: String Quartet No. 2 in F >

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Michael Wiencek
On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/08/2011 11:15 AM, Michael Wiencek wrote: >> This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance >> of" >> relationship. It should expire on June 15. > > Why a separate attribute rather than just storing it (along with

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Lemire, Sebastien
+1 for me as well. I just had a thought about this, how about if the subpart works *DO NOT* include the linked work in their name. Example (for classical): Currently there's a work under Tchaikovsky: String Quartet No. 2 in F major, Op. 22: III. Andante ma non tanto Ideally, the sub-work should o

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/08/2011 11:15 AM, Michael Wiencek wrote: >> This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance >> of" >> relationship. It should expire on June 15. > > Why a separate attribute rather than just storing it (along wit

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/08/2011 11:15 AM, Michael Wiencek wrote: > This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance of" > relationship. It should expire on June 15. Why a separate attribute rather than just storing it (along with the date if available, similar to Live Bootleg Style) in the

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Michael Wiencek
On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/6/8, Michael Wiencek : >> This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance >> of" >> relationship. It should expire on June 15. >> >> There is a current revision at: >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Bitmap

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Lemire, Sebastien
+1 here as well, would be great to differentiate pre-recorded recording and live recordings (at least for POP, Jazz, Rock, etc...) With classical, Opera, well, it's almost always Live, but I'm sure there's exceptions On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/6/8, Michael

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Alex Mauer wrote: > The RFC period has ended for this proposal[1], with no major objections. > I have updated the proposal with some more guidelines for its use based > on the list response, and so bring this to RFV status. > > 1. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposa

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/6/8, Michael Wiencek : > This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance > of" > relationship. It should expire on June 15. > > There is a current revision at: > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Bitmap/Performed_Relationship_Type_Live_Attribute > > As you can see, th

Re: [mb-style] RFV-321: Work parts relationship

2011-06-08 Thread Alex Mauer
The RFC period has ended for this proposal[1], with no major objections. I have updated the proposal with some more guidelines for its use based on the list response, and so bring this to RFV status. 1. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Work_Parts_Relationship ___

Re: [mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Michael Wiencek wrote: > This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance of" > relationship. It should expire on June 15. > > There is a current revision at: > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Bitmap/Performed_Relationship_Type_Live_Attrib

[mb-style] RFC-323: Live Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-08 Thread Michael Wiencek
This RFC is to add a "live" attribute to the recording<->work "performance of" relationship. It should expire on June 15. There is a current revision at: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Bitmap/Performed_Relationship_Type_Live_Attribute As you can see, the attribute "indicates that the recording

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Concept of works group

2011-06-08 Thread caller#6
On 06/07/2011 11:32 PM, caramel wrote: I still don't understand why a large number of sub-parts would mean we should have a work group entity. If it's just the amount of work of adding all the relationships then an interface tweak should be able to help ... /You pointed out th

Re: [mb-style] NGS and Duos

2011-06-08 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:16 PM, monxton wrote: > I'd like some clarification please, about Duos and their representation > in NGS. > > I do a lot of editing of traditional folk music, and in this world there > are many duos. It's always been something of an exercise of judgement to > decide which

[mb-style] NGS and Duos

2011-06-08 Thread monxton
I'd like some clarification please, about Duos and their representation in NGS. I do a lot of editing of traditional folk music, and in this world there are many duos. It's always been something of an exercise of judgement to decide which to enter as collaborations and which as groups, but I tr