Re: [mb-style] NGS and Duos

2011-06-09 Thread Nikki
monxton wrote: > You'll have noted Nikki's response where he says that the distinction > between collaboration and member-of-band has not changed with NGS. > Short-term or one-off projects are collaborations. I'm not the same person as Nicolás. ;) Nikki

Re: [mb-style] NGS and Duos

2011-06-09 Thread monxton
On 09/06/2011 16:35, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 06/08/2011 09:16 AM, monxton wrote: >> "This (collaboration) relationship type is only intended for short-term >> projects consisting of independent artists, who move on after the >> collaboration is finished. If the target artist was not this type of >>

Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Michael Wiencek
+1. I agree with the attribute order you suggested. On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim "recording X > (instrumental)" has lyrics by Y once we start showing the > relationships at release level. Also, it would solv

Re: [mb-style] Artist sort name for a fairly special case

2011-06-09 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 20:47, Nikki wrote: > Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> IMO, the sortname is useless for non-Latin scripts, or at least for >> Chinese. In order to get anything like a sane sorting you'd have to >> use the same transliteration system (say Hanyu Pinyin) for all >> artists, but that

Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Nikki
Lemire, Sebastien wrote: > +1 here as well, I also there should be an attribute for the Karaoke version! We already have a relationship for linking karaoke versions together. Nikki ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.

Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:59 -0400, Lemire, Sebastien wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Calvin Walton > wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:55 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > >> > This would be pretty useful to make sure

Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Lemire, Sebastien
+1 here as well, I also there should be an attribute for the Karaoke version! On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Calvin Walton wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:55 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: >> On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: >> > This would be pretty useful to m

Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:55 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > > This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim "recording X > > (instrumental)" has lyrics by Y once we start showing the > > relationships at release level. Al

Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim "recording X > (instrumental)" has lyrics by Y once we start showing the > relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when > dealing with instrumental ve

[mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim "recording X (instrumental)" has lyrics by Y once we start showing the relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow me to merge them as a same work unl

Re: [mb-style] Artist sort name for a fairly special case

2011-06-09 Thread Nikki
Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > IMO, the sortname is useless for non-Latin scripts, or at least for > Chinese. In order to get anything like a sane sorting you'd have to > use the same transliteration system (say Hanyu Pinyin) for all > artists, but that makes no sense for Hong Kong artists whose native

Re: [mb-style] feat. style and track/recording artist

2011-06-09 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 20:07, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > I guess you'd want to normalize capitalization as well, I'm > really not sure about that bit... Disregard that bit, I think it's luks that's been arguing for that :) -- Philip Jägenstedt ___ M

Re: [mb-style] feat. style and track/recording artist

2011-06-09 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:10, Kuno Woudt wrote: > Hello, > > On 05/06/11 21:06, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> 2011/6/5 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren: >> >> The problem is in interpreting the cover. What is the distinction >> between an artist being mentioned in a comment on the sleeve and being >> credi

Re: [mb-style] NGS and Duos

2011-06-09 Thread Alex Mauer
On 06/08/2011 09:16 AM, monxton wrote: > "This (collaboration) relationship type is only intended for short-term > projects consisting of independent artists, who move on after the > collaboration is finished. If the target artist was not this type of > project, then Member Of Band Relationship

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-06-09 Thread Pete Marsh
thanks Paul! i still think the criteria for a remix becoming a work rather than a recording need a bit more discussion. credits for additional lyrics or compositions on such things are going to be the exception rather than the rule. in fact i would argue that in the vast majority of cases remixes

Re: [mb-style] Artist sort name for a fairly special case

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 08:43 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > 2011/6/8 Yin Izanami : > > The artist "AAA" is literally and physically sorted as "TORIPURU-EE" / > > "Triple A" in Japan. You can see this in Japanese bookstores and on > > avexnet's listing of all its artists - it is sorted under the

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Collaboration Relationship Type update

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 17:15 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > Just a (fairly straightforward, I expect) update to limit the > collaboration relationship to cases where we can't use artist credits. > > See > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Collaboration_Relationship_Type_update

[mb-style] RFC-324 v2: Official Website and Discography Entry ARs for Releases/Release Groups

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
Now with infinitely more wiki page templates, and its very own RFC number! This proposal is to add or change two ARs: * Official Homepage http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Kepstin/Official_Homepage_Relationship_Type_Proposal A new Release Group → URL relation will be added to the Of

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Concept of works group

2011-06-09 Thread caramel
> Not only it is not easy, I believe it also is not desirable. The semantic > difference between a work and a work part / sub-work is tiny. The history of > some movements shows that some composers conceive the movements > independently and later assemble them into a main work. And also, in the > o

Re: [mb-style] VolumeNumberStyle in NGS?

2011-06-09 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 07/06/11 13:48, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > 2011/6/7 Lukáš Lalinský: > We have recordings and works to unify all the songs internally, so the > "FreeDB clone" thing is being *way* too negative, luks – we also > expect people to follow the guidelines, of course, but we've always >

Re: [mb-style] feat. style and track/recording artist

2011-06-09 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 05/06/11 21:06, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > 2011/6/5 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren: > > The problem is in interpreting the cover. What is the distinction > between an artist being mentioned in a comment on the sleeve and being > credited as an artist. Consider these (fictional) examples: >

Re: [mb-style] feat. style and track/recording artist

2011-06-09 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 07/06/11 09:05, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > Are we getting a cover scan feature? Do you have more information > about this? That would be extremely helpful for proof-reading edits. ruaok is in discussion with the archive.org people to cooperate on a cover art archive. no code has been w