Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-17 Thread Paul C. Bryan
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 03:57 +0200, lorenz pressler wrote: > fonts for print are designed with the background, that they are displayed > at much higher resolution/dpi than regular displays. fonts for screen are > aiming at an easy legibility on many types of devices. distance to the eye > is

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-17 Thread Maurits Meulenbelt
Perhaps someone can code a Greasemonkey script to do that? Op 17-6-2011 18:18, lorenz pressler schreef: >> If you're creating a project for a non-print environment you can easily >> convert "fancy" punctuation back to ascii. > i can't convert it while browsing MB. > >> If your mp3 player has troub

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-17 Thread lorenz pressler
> If you're creating a project for a non-print environment you can easily > convert "fancy" punctuation back to ascii. i can't convert it while browsing MB. > If your mp3 player has trouble using these characters you should use a > tagger which can do this conversion for you (picard has the opti

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-17 Thread jacobbrett
lorenz pressler wrote: > > Am 17.06.2011, 01:17 Uhr, schrieb Paul C. Bryan : > >> And in your opinion, in a print environment, it's not nonsense? If so, >> I'd like to better understand why this is your position. > > fonts for print are designed with the background, that they a

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 17/06/11 03:57, lorenz pressler wrote: > Am 17.06.2011, 01:17 Uhr, schrieb Paul C. Bryan: > >> And in your opinion, in a print environment, it's not nonsense? If so, >> I'd like to better understand why this is your position. > > i do quite some layout and typesetting work and i like usi

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread lorenz pressler
Am 17.06.2011, 01:17 Uhr, schrieb Paul C. Bryan : > And in your opinion, in a print environment, it's not nonsense? If so, > I'd like to better understand why this is your position. fonts for print are designed with the background, that they are displayed at much higher resolution/dpi than regu

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread David Gasaway
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:43, lorenz pressler wrote: > usability > typographical correctness Just FYI, I and a few others made all these same arguments in a monster thread a few years back. We managed to put off the pedants for a little while, anyway. ;) -- -:-:- David K. Gasaway -:-:- Emai

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Paul C. Bryan
And in your opinion, in a print environment, it's not nonsense? If so, I'd like to better understand why this is your position. Paul On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 20:43 +0200, lorenz pressler wrote: > i really do think, that typographical correct punctuation is nonsense in a > non-print environment. >

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread lorenz pressler
i really do think, that typographical correct punctuation is nonsense in a non-print environment. it adds inconsitency and noise to the database since most users are only able (or willing) to use the chars ' and " and - and an automatic determination is not reliable imho. also most fontsets

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/6/16, jacobbrett : > > Per Starbäck wrote: >> >> At least Bogdan Butnaru has planned to write typography assisting >> software. See >> http://musicbrainz-mailing-lists.2986109.n2.nabble.com/Mechanically-assisted-updating-of-typography-on-MusicBrainz-td5978214.html >> from early this year. >> >

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread jacobbrett
Per Starbäck wrote: > > At least Bogdan Butnaru has planned to write typography assisting > software. See > http://musicbrainz-mailing-lists.2986109.n2.nabble.com/Mechanically-assisted-updating-of-typography-on-MusicBrainz-td5978214.html > from early this year. > >> song's title      →   song’s

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Nikki
Piotr Szotkowski wrote: > The problem with apostrophes is that it’s > not trivial to script the replacement: And that's only English... I would probably not go as far as using the hyphen character, I've seen reports that it's not available in the standard fonts in Windows, e.g. http://bugs.musi

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Per Starbäck
At least Bogdan Butnaru has planned to write typography assisting software. See http://musicbrainz-mailing-lists.2986109.n2.nabble.com/Mechanically-assisted-updating-of-typography-on-MusicBrainz-td5978214.html from early this year. > song's title      →   song’s title > a 'quoted' text   →   a ‘q

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Piotr Szotkowski
Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: >> Personally, I don't think there's any utility in replacing >> characters which could be done with a script. Only if there's >> some kind of judgement call involved does it really make any sense. The proble

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Per Starbäck
> Personally, I don't think there's any utility in replacing characters > which could be done with a script. Only if there's some kind of > judgement call involved does it really make any sense. > Cleaning up > only some releases will just leave things in a seemingly inconsistent > state, so I'd r

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:53, Piotr Szotkowski wrote: >> Yeah, me again. Still most grateful fot MusicBrainz. :) >> >> While I was on a recent Picard-powered metadata-cleanup spree on my >> music I noticed http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Sty

Re: [mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:53, Piotr Szotkowski wrote: > Yeah, me again. Still most grateful fot MusicBrainz. :) > > While I was on a recent Picard-powered metadata-cleanup spree on my > music I noticed http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Miscellaneous saying > that ‘typographically-correct punctuati

[mb-style] Use of ‘fancy’ punctuation characters

2011-06-16 Thread Piotr Szotkowski
Yeah, me again. Still most grateful fot MusicBrainz. :) While I was on a recent Picard-powered metadata-cleanup spree on my music I noticed http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Miscellaneous saying that ‘typographically-correct punctuation is preferred’, so I started updating MB with my local fixes to