Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-26 Thread Rado Q
=- John Niendorf wrote on Wed 26.Jun'13 at 12:47:03 +0900 -= This is only my point of view. To everyone his own. ;) 1. RTFM is rude. It is usually written by people who seem to feel the need to show that they know more than someone else. Somebody hasn't done his homework and wants somebody

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:03:32PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 21.06.13 10:13, Rado Q wrote: But not to make one side happy and reject the other, how about this: we get 2 lists, one for the basicsimple stuff (mutt-users), the other for advanced (mutt-adventures). Have some moderators

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-25 Thread John Niendorf
I've been watching this thread for a while and thinking Good grief, give me a break. This is only my point of view. 1. RTFM is rude. It is usually written by people who seem to feel the need to show that they know more than someone else. 2. Having to put up with people who ask basic

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-25 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/6/25 11:47 PM, John Niendorf wrote: I've been watching this thread for a while and thinking Good grief, give me a break. This is only my point of view. 1. RTFM is rude. It is usually written by people who seem to feel the need to show that they know more than someone else. 2. Having

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-24 Thread Derek Martin
subject, agreed RTFM posts aren't helpful. They only demonstrate the person posting the RTFM has more time than manners. In 95% of RTFM cases a helpful answer would take less effort and bandwidth than the rant that inevitably comes with their RTFM post! I agree completely. Derek D. Martin

Re: OT: Request for old cruft. [Was: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)]

2013-06-24 Thread Eduardo Alvarez
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 09:47:23PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 21.06.13 10:52, Eduardo Alvarez wrote: That sounds like a fantastic compilation, not just for practical knowledge, but I'm betting a little of history as well. Would you care to share it? :) At first I thought that's

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-24 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:58:16PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-24 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote: At the risk of raising everyones ire, there are times, especially with a really basic question and no indication of any effort on the poster's part, reply by asking what research has been done, what has been tried, and

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-23 Thread John Long
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:58:16PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should

OT: Request for old cruft. [Was: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)]

2013-06-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.06.13 10:52, Eduardo Alvarez wrote: That sounds like a fantastic compilation, not just for practical knowledge, but I'm betting a little of history as well. Would you care to share it? :) At first I thought that's not a problem, if it is of any interest. But it includes pastes of

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Rado Q
just start Googling and usually find an answer somewhere. List requests work though. The problem with the RTFM answer is that TFM is (in many cases, and certainly in the mutt or emacs cases) rather long, and if you don't already know exactly what you're looking for, finding that one thing you

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 21.06.13 10:13, Rado Q wrote: But not to make one side happy and reject the other, how about this: we get 2 lists, one for the basicsimple stuff (mutt-users), the other for advanced (mutt-adventures). Have some moderators sitting on the basic- line forwarding the advanced stuff (users) to

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-06-20, Derek Martin inva...@pizzashack.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should take note

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Rado Q
to generally open the gates, independent of age or other good reason to spend my time more than any OPs (which I did long ago and sometimes still do). I fully agree that if rtfm is the answer, then a clue where in there should be included. Our list traffic is not yet unbearable, I submit. I've been

Re: The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Eduardo Alvarez
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 09:03:32PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: The real and substantial impairments, both physical and mental, which accrue with advancing age, are easily overlooked in the ignorance of youth, or even middle age. Though two decades behind our petitioner for a quick hint,

The etiquette of RTFM (Re: I have forgotten ...)

2013-06-20 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 09:51:13AM -0500, Dale A. Raby wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 08:35:25AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I really don't need to be told RTFM. I am 80 yrs old. I forget things. [I think people should take note: this comment clearly suggests that Paul, like many people

On RTFM

2008-09-23 Thread David Champion
to give is rtfm, with no reference or citation or vague hint at a substantive answer, then don't bother replying -- or at least keep it out of the mailing list archive and my mailbox, please. Save RTFM for abusive and demanding inquiries only, and you'll see less abuse and fewer demands. -- -D

Re: On RTFM

2008-09-23 Thread John J. Foster
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 09:43:25AM -0500, David Champion wrote: What's the trouble? Let people ask questions honestly and politely, but if all you have to give is rtfm, with no reference or citation or vague hint at a substantive answer, then don't bother replying -- or at least keep it out

Re: rtfm dammit

2002-09-09 Thread Bruno Lustosa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Actually my sig is at least ELEVEN lines, but hey, whose counting ? ( FYI - The last part of the sig has a word riddle in it) //\ eLviintuaxbilse/\\ Linux is evitable? What's the sense on it? -- Bruno Lustosa, aka

Re: rtfm dammit

2002-09-09 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 08:59:24AM -0400, Bruno Lustosa wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Actually my sig is at least ELEVEN lines, but hey, whose counting ? ( FYI - The last part of the sig has a word riddle in it) //\ eLviintuaxbilse/\\

Re: rtfm dammit

2002-09-09 Thread Peter
* Bruno Lustosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-09 7:59am]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Actually my sig is at least ELEVEN lines, but hey, whose counting ? ( FYI - The last part of the sig has a word riddle in it) //\ eLviintuaxbilse/\\ Linux is

quote (was: rtfm dammit)

2002-09-09 Thread jkinz
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:10:11AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: Linux is in evitable == Linux is inevitable. Yes. Quote from John Maddog Hall circa 1994 Linux Lectures. (and quite true IMHO). Word riddles are different from a plain scrambles in that they require leaps of logic. Mark's

Re: rtfm dammit

2002-09-09 Thread David Champion
* On 2002.09.09, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], * Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 08:59:24AM -0400, Bruno Lustosa wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Actually my sig is at least ELEVEN lines, but hey, whose counting ? ( FYI - The last part of

rtfm dammit (was: location of signature.)

2002-09-06 Thread Sven Guckes
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 11:52]: I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to reply to the list. Any ideas why? List reply ? there's a LIST REPLY ? Time for more

Re: rtfm dammit

2002-09-06 Thread jkinz
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:03:00PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-06 11:52]: List reply ? there's a LIST REPLY ? Time for more RTM ! argh! hee hee, you are SO easy to tweak! :) (I'm afraid Elm is still programmed into my fingers, just like

Re: rtfm dammit

2002-09-06 Thread Dan Resler
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:30:12PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someday Sven will realize that mutt is a tool, not a religion. (maybe.. ) (Now where did I put my flameproof suit / ) Oh, I doubt it. We'll probably have self-appointed net cops with us as long as there's a net. Just watch