Re: return reciepts

2010-07-08 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 03:00:32PM +0200, lee wrote: > On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 09:51:03AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * lee [07-03-10 09:13]: > > > On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: > > > > > > > Practice has shown that it is not best practice. > > > > > > Because of

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread Rado S
=- lee wrote on Sat 3.Jul'10 at 15:12:49 +0200 -= > > Wasted effort compared to an editor macro to add some line like > > "please acknowledge receipt and respond ASAP". > > What makes you think that the recipient would bother to write an > answer? What's so much harder for the recipient to hit

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread lee
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 09:51:03AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * lee [07-03-10 09:13]: > > On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: > > > > > Practice has shown that it is not best practice. > > > > Because of poor support, maybe :) > > Or, more likely, requests for features

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread lee
rror messages sent to them ... In this case, the alternative would be to print the message on paper to deliver it in person and have them certify that they recieved it. I like return reciepts better for now. > >> Practice has shown that it is not best practice. > > > > Becaus

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread Roger
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:33:22PM +0200, Simon Ruderich wrote: >On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:12:49PM +0200, lee wrote: > >But if the recipient doesn't care about your mail, then how does >adding a receipt request help? > >>> Practice has shown that it is not best practice. >> >> Because of poor supp

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread Simon Ruderich
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:12:49PM +0200, lee wrote: > [snip] > > Let me add that you just got me to the idea that a simple yes/no for a > combination of recipients won't suffice: It would have to be > always/once/no/never, meaning that for the combination of recipients > in question, the requestin

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-03 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* lee [07-03-10 09:13]: > On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: > > > Practice has shown that it is not best practice. > > Because of poor support, maybe :) Or, more likely, requests for features that most do *not* want presented in a haughty manner which would require coding

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-03 Thread lee
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: > > Your original request just sounds like reversing the default from > "mostly no r-r, with manual exceptions" to "mosty _DO_ r-r, with > manual exceptions", it actually requires you still to make a manual > choice... That is not at all wha

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread bill lam
Сбт, 03 Июл 2010, Rado S писал(а): > Wasted effort compared to an editor macro to add some line like > "please acknowledge receipt and respond ASAP". > If you just want to reverse the default, add such line to your > $signature, and delete it when not desired. IMO the key to get response is polite

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Rado S
Ok, some more bashing... ;) =- lee wrote on Fri 2.Jul'10 at 16:39:53 +0200 -= > > > Noone using return reciepts? > > > > No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. > > That's awfully annoying and too easy to forget. No, automatic retur

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread rogerx
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:36:18PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: >On 2010-07-02, rog...@sdf.org wrote: >> But to step aside from paranoia, it could be considered a "politeness >> feature" as >> it would tell a friend or significant other that you did receive their email. > >That's what the "r" key

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 07:40:45PM +0100, Toby Cubitt wrote: > > in discoursing from the armchair without actually trying to implement it, > there are very quite likely difficulties I'm missing here. See, it's not all that easy :) So before spending a lot of time to figure it out, I thought it a g

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 06:23:23PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-07-02, lee wrote: > > > Having that said, it comes to mind that more users of mutt might make > > use of return reciepts if there was well designed support for them > > Doubit it. Well designed s

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
escribed in my OP with a little scripting, > > that's great for you, but I don't see how to do it. I'd have to write > > a program in C for it and somehow make it work with mutt --- and > > preferably make it so that it can be used with other MUAs as well. I > > do

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Toby Cubitt
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 07:13:02PM +0200, lee wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 05:15:36PM +0100, Toby Cubitt wrote: > > > the Disposition-Notification-To: header. So to request receipts, it may > > be sufficient to add this header to your outgoing emails using mutt's > > my_hdr command. > > That

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-07-02, lee wrote: > Having that said, it comes to mind that more users of mutt might make > use of return reciepts if there was well designed support for them Doubit it. Well designed support for evil is still evil. 1/2 :) > ... One way to address privacy concerns coul

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan
t and somehow make it work with mutt --- and > preferably make it so that it can be used with other MUAs as well. I > don't know of any MUA that deals with return reciepts in the way > described in my OP. So, what you *really* want is for someone to code/script it for you. Th

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:11:27PM -0500, David Champion wrote: > * On 28 Jun 2010, lee wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header > > You could try Werner Koch's rfc2298 MDN patch, but afaik it has not been >

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
's great for you, but I don't see how to do it. I'd have to write a program in C for it and somehow make it work with mutt --- and preferably make it so that it can be used with other MUAs as well. I don't know of any MUA that deals with return reciepts in the way described in m

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread David Champion
* On 28 Jun 2010, lee wrote: > Hi, > > how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header > lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that > reciepts are requested based on, for example, recipients? You could try Werner Koch's rf

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-07-02, rog...@sdf.org wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:39:53PM +0200, lee wrote: >>On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: >> ... snip ... >>Besides, it's hard to believe that noone on this mailing list has use >>for return reciepts a

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Toby Cubitt
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:39:53PM +0200, lee wrote: > On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > > =- lee wrote on Thu 1.Jul'10 at 18:08:43 +0200 -= > > > > > Noone using return reciepts? > > > > No, because if you want that, just wr

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread rogerx
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:39:53PM +0200, lee wrote: >On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > ... snip ... >Besides, it's hard to believe that noone on this mailing list has use >for return reciepts and/or that everyone handles them manually. Return receipt

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: > =- lee wrote on Thu 1.Jul'10 at 18:08:43 +0200 -= > > > Noone using return reciepts? > > No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. That's awfully annoying and too easy to forget. It's

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread John J. Foster
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 06:08:43PM +0200, lee wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header > > lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread bill lam
Чтв, 01 Июл 2010, lee писал(а): > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: > > Hi, > > > > how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header > > lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that > > reciepts ar

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-07-01, lee wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: >> how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header >> lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that >> reciepts are requested based on, fo

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread Rado S
=- lee wrote on Thu 1.Jul'10 at 18:08:43 +0200 -= > Noone using return reciepts? No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. -- © Rado S. -- You must provide YOUR effort for your goal! EVERY effort counts: at least to show your attitude. You're responsible for AL

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread lee
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: > Hi, > > how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header > lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that > reciepts are requested based on, for example, recipients? > > The i

return reciepts

2010-06-28 Thread lee
Hi, how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that reciepts are requested based on, for example, recipients? The idea is something like mutt asking me if I want to request a reciept when sending a

Re: Return reciepts

1999-11-17 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 1999-11-17 19:59:24 +0100, Jan Houtsma wrote: > Well in netscape you have the choice either a confirmation if the > mail has been delivered (so thats the MTA) but the other is that > the mail actually has been read. In winblows u always get a popup > window in that case where u can say yes or

Re: Return reciepts

1999-11-17 Thread Jan Houtsma
On Wed, Nov 17, 1999 at 06:56:40PM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: > On 1999-11-17 12:44:25 -0500, Subba Rao wrote: > > > I have a question about return receipts. Are return receipts > > handled at the client level or by the MTA? > > They are handled by the MTA. > > > If at the client level, in t

Re: Return reciepts

1999-11-17 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 1999-11-17 12:44:25 -0500, Subba Rao wrote: > I have a question about return receipts. Are return receipts > handled at the client level or by the MTA? They are handled by the MTA. > If at the client level, in this case mutt, how can I return receipt > for only address? One of my friends, se

Return reciepts

1999-11-17 Thread Subba Rao
I have a question about return receipts. Are return receipts handled at the client level or by the MTA? If at the client level, in this case mutt, how can I return receipt for only address? One of my friends, sends email with a return receipt request. I would like to return receipt only for his

Re: Return reciepts

1999-01-15 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 17/11/99 18:56 +0100 - Thomas Roessler: >However, you may just add a small autoresponse function to your >~/.procmailrc. Make sure you make this robust against mail loops! ...by adding a special field to the header by yourself and check for that field whenever the autoresponder is invoked. So