Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-13 Thread Jeremiah Gowdy
l Whitener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI I've had this debate with myself a hundred times over the past 5 years since SATA started becoming more popular. I've come to a few simple conclusions... I've also been dissapoi

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-13 Thread Daniel Whitener
I've had this debate with myself a hundred times over the past 5 years since SATA started becoming more popular. I've come to a few simple conclusions... I've also been dissapointed with the performance of some of the SATA raid controllers (*cough* 3ware *cough*). I've got old dual p3 servers wi

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Larry Lowry
We have been using the controllers built into the motherboards. I know they are not as good as some dedicated cards but they work well enough for us. I prefer the nVidia nForce4 Ultra Chipsets. They have a nice raid setup. We needed a cheap box for data server but with a lot of tempory disk sp

RE: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Andy Eastham
decent backups :-) Andy > -Original Message- > From: Brent Baisley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 May 2005 17:47 > To: Scott M. Grim > Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com > Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI > > I'd be curious what you tested. Did the SATA drives support tagged > com

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Brent Baisley
I'd be curious what you tested. Did the SATA drives support tagged command queueing (TCQ)? That can make a huge difference in a multi-user environment, detrimental in a single user. How many drives were in the SATA array and how many were in the SCSI array? You could probably put 2-3x the numbe

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Greg Whalin
Newer SATA drives are supporting command queueing, which should really help their performance. I think when SATA-2 becomes more available, SATA will start being a more viable choice and start rivaling SCSI performance. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mys

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Larry Lowry
ability is more than just the drive type. Good luck with whatever you decide to use. Larry - Original Message - From: "Scott M. Grim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: SATA vs SCSI I've fairly extensively (although not neces

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Andy Davidson
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 12:29:47PM -0700, Kevin Burton wrote: > Were kicking around using SATA drives in software RAID0 config. > The price diff is significant. You can also get SATA drives in 10k RPM > form now., Good idea, but a few points : - 10krpm disks will run hotter than 7200rpm d

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Alec . Cawley
"Scott M. Grim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/05/2005 16:42:00: > I've fairly extensively (although not necessarily scientifically) tested > SATA 150 vs. SCSI U320 and find that if you're doing a lot of random reads > and writes (such as with a database server), SCSI provides nearly 5x the

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-12 Thread Scott M. Grim
I've fairly extensively (although not necessarily scientifically) tested SATA 150 vs. SCSI U320 and find that if you're doing a lot of random reads and writes (such as with a database server), SCSI provides nearly 5x the performance as SATA so, for us, it's well worth the additional expense. It

RE: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-11 Thread Donny Simonton
Kevin, I am in the same boat that you are, I can't store anything in memory, just have too much data. I've got 2tb on one box right now, I did get a quote last week for that much memory, I think it was 4 million just for the memory. > Also.. if you have a high cache hit rate you can effectively h

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-11 Thread Kevin Burton
Dathan Pattishall wrote: Forget using drives all together for heavy hit applications. Build data that can fit on a ram Drive (8GB) then your able to do 20K Not everyone can run in this config... We have way more data than we can casually story in memory. It would just be cost prohibitive. Mem

RE: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-11 Thread Dathan Pattishall
Forget using drives all together for heavy hit applications. Build data that can fit on a ram Drive (8GB) then your able to do 20K qps. For instance, have a main master that holds a majority of tables call it MASTER. Then a sub master that holds the tables which you desire to run out of memory,

Re: SATA vs SCSI

2005-05-11 Thread Brent Baisley
Is there a question in there or are you just making a statement? I'll make a statement myself. The big difference between ATA and SCSI is command queueing. That's really where the performance difference comes from. Basically, command queueing means the drive has some intelligence about handling