I'm not sure if anyone has seen this or if its just to early but.
While opening mail, I found
something which looked different. The message was from pgp-public-key and
said "Here is my key". When you look at the attachment its called
youremail.doc.com obviously something meant to be execute
Apparently there was just a 6.4 quake in central california.
We felt it here in San Jose but its probably to minor up here to cause any
disruptions. However closer to the center there may be.
be
> effected. Terrestrial microwave and VHF line of site, 802.11,
> 2.4GHz cordless phones and the like do not.
>
> Owen
> KB6MER
>
>
> --On Friday, October 24, 2003 9:31 AM -0700 Scott Granados
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Wouldn't 2.4
Wouldn't 2.4 ghz fall in that range or does hf mean hf in the classical
sense of something on the scale of 3 to 49 mhz or so.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Roy wrote:
>
> According to the notice
>
> "Satellite and other spacecraft operations, power systems, high
> frequency communications, and navigatio
Even though this is off topic, I'd have to say that this seems very odd from
SpamHaus. They never seemed to isolate entire ranges but seemed more
specific. I can also say they were very fast to remove issues once the
spammers were removed and were also quite helpful.
I wonder does this strategy
Actually, not what I've heard. I have a contact at a large east coast
bank who told me they were charged extra for Braille per ATM. I had
assumed for years it was a case of build them all one way only to save
cost. But in fact this is not the case.
At least for the type they use.
On Fri, 19
memorized the prompts on your local atm, a possibility
granted.
Its just a problem that hasn't been well thought out and baddly
engineered!
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:14:39 PDT, Scott Granados said:
>
> > Who thought it was a good i
Your all missing my most favorite bad design decision.
And I know that in other areas this has been mentioned and made fun of
enough but ...
Who thought it was a good idea to put braille on the drive up atms?
And having a contact in banking I do know that banks pay extra for this
feature its n
There was another manufacturer one of the really low budget cards, I
forget the brand but they were shipped in a box which looked like a
dunkin's munchkins box. If you bought several boxes of these, I think six
in a box and the entire package was $30 you were likely to find more than
2 or 3 with
And now look, all the plaintext e-mail addresses are posted to a mailing
list. Which is archived on the web!
Nice!
Um DC went out???
No batteries??
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:17:49AM -0700, Mark V. A. Bown wrote:
> >
> > This morning at 4:30am pst 200 Paul St. facility in San Francisco went
> > dark. The power died and took our 200 Paul St. Router offli
And just think of the potential here for Sponge Bob episodes!
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, David Diaz wrote:
>
> Yea I saw that yesterday. Wasnt sure that was nanog material. But
> the most interesting fact left out on this summery was the ability to
> "dope" the fiber with elements like sodium. It
Looking for someone who can provide dialup access while I'm traveling in
OKC and the surrounding areas. Didn't want to end up with an AOL or
something so if someone is providing services in the area and would
contact me off list that would be great.
Thanks!
I've captured this guy here actually directed at me.
It appears to attach itself as message.zip not sure if it attaches using
other names.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Drew Weaver wrote:
> I have had like 4 users call and tell me that they're receiving
> email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
There has been a lot of latency on several 7018 peers including 3561 and
3549 for the last week or so.
Also wierd asimetric routing like one direction will have 7018 6461 and
the other wil have 6461 3561 7018 with the 3561 7018 150 + ms.
All out of sfo.
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Grant A. Kirkwood
I've definitely noticed the steady decline in complaints in reachability. I
think though at some point it will be resolved, after all all the other
blocks got squared away it seems, or is that an incorrect assumption?
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rick Ernst" <[EMA
What does unknown mean? And how can you count it if its unknown? Not being
silly, genuinely curious.
- Original Message -
From: "Sean Donelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: DSL-IP Probes Curiousity..
>
> On Thu, 13 Mar
Is there a good plac for a listing of the publically available
route-servers? I only knew of the oregon one.
Thanks
- Original Message -
From: "Richard A Steenbergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Scott Granados" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
se from [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is where this email belongs.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Kasten
> Cable & Wireless
>
>
> Scott Granados wrote:
>
> >Anyone else seeing an issue between cw and att somewhere near sf it looks
> >like.
> >
> >I go
Anyone else seeing an issue between cw and att somewhere near sf it looks
like.
I go from 4 ms, at the point tagged as the peer between cw and att and
1400 ms once I land on att.
THanks
I think Rob's server scans all the registry web pages for announced
changes and then either modifies the list automatically or sets off an
alarm to have the pages and list modified. I may be corrected but I think
the process is either entirely or mostly automated.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Owen DeLo
Just a brief question.
For people wishing to nntp peer, is the usenet peering page still used as
a resource or is that out of date?
Thanks
Just a data point to add here. when you have tried the other means of
contact first, nanog has been helpful for getting things done. I had
started having issue with the 69 blocks back in September and when posting
for help all the networks had someone respond very quickly and it was
resolved.
to the folks who did help.
Scott
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:02:24AM -0800, Scott Granados wrote:
> > Nope, nobody responded from [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I tried here, got a response
> > and was all set. Helpful once you
Oh and by the way, just to be super clear it wasn't more than ten minutes
after I posted that when I received some really superior help.
So I'm hoping my thred doesn't turn in to an mfn bashing session, its not
deserved. I'll just end this hear and say thank you.
Scott
nature.
I think that having this open channel for issues whether it be discussion
of policy and standard or the occasional help its broken and I can't find
anyone via normal channels is great.
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Simon Lyall wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Scott Granados wrote:
>
Nope, nobody responded from [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I tried here, got a response
and was all set. Helpful once you get around the noc where we had no
response.
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 10:54:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Anyone from mf
Can someone give me a good pointer as to places to start learning more about
ipv6?
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Leber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Nicolas DEFFAYET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Jeffrey Wheat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:47 PM
Hi I wrote to the noc but this seemed serious enough to mention on the
list. . Seems that Primustel was trying to send me a transit feed ie
full routes over our peer at Paix. I'm assuming that this also happened
to other peers of theirs at Paix so you may wish to check your associated
sessions.
Alex, although technically correct, its not practical. How many end users
vpn in from home from say a public ip on their dsl modem leaving
themselves open to attack but now also having this connection back to the
"Secure" inside network. Has anyone heard of any confirmed cases of this
yet?
On
Just to add to this. We noticed a sudden burst and terminated ports to
customers infected as well. I never noticed anything odd from HE and we also
applied 1434 blocks very quickly. Thankfully, our most infected customer
crashed his internal core and took him off line anyway:).
- Original
> It's 1434 and I also see 137 138 551. Big DDOS. It's hitting
> everything on our network coming from lots of different places...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Granados [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:41 AM
> To
We just had a box inside one of my customers networks start sending tons
of small packets not sure what kind yet.
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>
>
> I dunno about that. But, I am seeing, in the last couple hours, all kinds
> of new traffic.
>
> like, customers who never get attac
Anyone hear of aol not allowing in 69.0.0.0/8 addresses. It was just
claimed to me but I thought that seemed highly unlikely.
Anyone clueful at Charter around? Can you contact me off list, thanks!
Its actually funny you mention this. I'd been working on a way to deliver
television via atm for years just never had much interest. But basically
by attaching to the cloud and then being able to draw pvc's over to dsl
lines it should be quite possible. Don't forget also many of us in given
are
t out at Navisite (I'm getting
> :tired of name changes) at 10:15 on 1/19 due to PG&E de-energizing the grid
> :that feeds the DC due to a short. No ETA on when the grid will be back.
> :
> :John
> :
> :Scott Granados said:
> :>
> :> Anyone know what's u
And their are legal uses for p2p. I have a customer who works with some of
these technologies for legal and approved file transfers like game
publishing.
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From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Avleen Vig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Christopher L. Morrow
Anyone know what's up with Clearblue in SF, 650 Townsend St.
I've been getting alerts that they have been with out power now for a couple
days and are still on generator power.
Thanks
Scott
Well there are the symbols included with Visio however I'm not sure that is
much more than the boxes you mentioned.
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:00 AM
Subject: standard network symbols/icons
>
> Hello,
>
> Do any
Well just to make this more on topic and operationsl:).
It seems to me that for best operation of all networks some means should
exist for carriers to talk to each other. Perhaps nanog is it not sure
but if mfn has an issue with wireworks than mfn should have a place to
call.
Like wise if I hav
l we don't have
security persons available after hours so write us an e-mail and you may get
a response within 48 hours". Which to me sounded just plain wrong because
I've seen threds onhere to the contrary.
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From: "blitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
l Message -
From: "David Diaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Scott Granados" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: uunet
> Im not seeing anything coming from qwest.
>
>
>
> At 16:55 -0800 1/
Is something up on uunet tonight?
It looks to me that dns is broken forward and reverse but more likely it
looks like a bad bogan fiilter popped up suddenly. I have issue as soon as
I leave mfn's network and hit uunet.
Well they don't tell you which 2 percent either.
For all we know
"only 2 percent were successful" and yielded launch codes...
or
"only 2 percent were successful" and yielded next weeks lunch schedule.
Big difference on which 2 percent:).
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, jnull wrote:
>
>
> > But the arti
So who's up for adding the military in to spews:).
- Original Message -
From: "Sean Donelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Iraq net shutdown temporarily
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/01/12/MN1250
Wonder if there is an iij america contact around if so could you contact
me off list.
Thanks
Scott
Actually andy, the oc192 wiccs in the 2600 series work better.
:)
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Andy Dills wrote:
>
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Al Rowland wrote:
>
> >
> > And you are using shielded cable, correct?
>
> Nah, I'm guessing he strung bare copper seperated by cotton balls.
> That's what I like to
You could use fiber and a fiber conversion box.
Or you could use a switch or repeater half way.
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Steve Rude wrote:
>
> Hi NANOG,
>
> Could someone please help me with a fast ethernet problem I am having. We
> have a POP in a 27 floor building, and have a rj45 run from the
I'd suggest the isp-bandwidth list for this
www.isp-lists.com.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Tom Daly wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I am new to this list. Our company is interested in starting to colocate
> in Tokyo, Japan.
>
> We are looking for the following:
> 1/4 Rack (10U)
> 20Amps Equiv US Power
> 1 MEG CIR
Hi there, no that is not normal. How long is the cat5 between the two?
Also, with a hub you should normally see collisions but not crc errors.
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Drew Weaver wrote:
>
> Hi, this is kind of a newbie question but this doesn't make a whole lot of
> sense :P
>
> I have an etherst
s
> completely accurate, he was out searching for another wrench... it
> took a lot of chocolate mile to relax him after that.
>
>
>
>
> At 20:11 -0500 12/29/02, David Lesher wrote:
> >Unnamed Administration sources reported that Scott Granados said:
> >>
> &g
>
> Unnamed Administration sources reported that Scott Granados said:
> >
> > Is 48V DC at the amps present normallyin switch rooms etc enough to
cause
> > electricucian? I have seen bad things with wrenches dropped across
> > batteries even 12 volt car batteries
Is 48V DC at the amps present normallyin switch rooms etc enough to cause
electricucian? I have seen bad things with wrenches dropped across
batteries even 12 volt car batteries although in this case it was a large
battery bank in a submarine but I was curious about the 48V sources in
switch room
It is likely that in many settings during power failures transition from ac
street power to ac generator power will have some lag and during that time
your hardware could loose power. This of course depends on ups systems in
use and many factors. Dc usually however is clean in its transition and
Be mindful of your routes Master Luke!
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > > IIRC, and I may be wrong, either IS-IS or CLNS (can't remember which)
> > > can look at congestion, and EIGRP can look at load if you tweak the K
> >
I wonder if this isn't a way to slap cogent around for their lower price
points. After all how much grumbling do we hear on various lists about $30
/ meg. Seems there is more to this story because on the surface this makes
no sense. Why would an eyeball provider remove itself from the content
s
Yes, recurrent technology in Santa Clara.
Ask for Russell, 408-727-1122 extremely good company.
If closer also try Sam at Network hardware.
http://www.networkhardware.com also an extremely good company.
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED
I just received a note from our facilities guy. I'm in 35 South and they
informed us that PGNE will be shutting power down for our building and
Market Post Tower <55 S. Market> from 8:00 a.m. until at least 6:00 P.M.
Sunday dec 15 to reroute power and do manhole work. Hopefully everyone
involve
I tend to agree. We had the same issue a customer who we did not know was
a spammer did something similar and they listed our blocks. I terminated
the customer. I believe spews has a newsgroup that is listed on their
site you can post to but more than that I'm not certain. Also its funny
how
You can add dvgarage to that list of domains not configured properly for
69.x.x.x as well.
They use GBLX, who is properly configured but once it hits their internal
network the problems start.
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Todd A. Blank wrote:
>
> > I here
Just a note:) I heard this the other day. Did you know scams are the third
largest Industry in Nigeria. I guess people sit in public places with
access and send these out hoping to get bank account numbers.
Funny:)
- Original Message -
From: "William B. Norton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
T
Anybody else seeing a loss of paix?
My peering dropped. as well as everyone else in sf.
While writing this my phone rang and it was paix. Seems mfn did an
unreported bit of maintenance.
Anyone else on the peering by paix switch at e-xchange at least will have
lost service but it should be rest
I'd like to second this. We have ran in to problems as well. Usually
this is a great place to get help however we have had very responsive
actions taken by others out there who had filters in place.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Todd A. Blank wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply, James.
>
> I wish I could t
Just a data point here, most hospital networks and it departments are headed
by Doctor's. They have to sign off on everything from equipment selection,
platform changes everything. Some have a clew but admittedly its no more
than a self taught clew of the very basics from having 3 servers at hom
Oh wow I worked for a company who integrated some fairly large network based
imaging systems in there and things were broken then too.
Their techs kept cutting fibers and disconnecting nodes and it took days for
them to figure out why.
- Original Message -
From: "Huff, Mark" <[EMAIL PROT
Looks like someone's address book or peering list.
- Original Message -
From: "Randy Rostie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: virus or?
We received the following email, with an incredible number of email
addresses in the cc: fi
Diesel can even exstinguish flame in some cases. It is a much different
anamal than aircraft fuel.
There are concerns yes but not a good compairison.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Johannes Ullrich wrote:
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/19/nyregion/19FUEL.html
> ...
> > While almost everyone on thi
A much more real world example is in Heart medicine. I worked on a system
that used ds1's between hospitals. Say you have hospital A which is a
major institution and h ou have hospital B which is more remote and has
fewer skilled Doctors etc. Using a standard such as Dicom a Dr in
Hospital B. c
n't see how the
business
> plan could succeed and pulled out of StarBand. They are currently in
Chap. 11.
>
> http://65.186.192.177/liarband/ch11.html
>
> --Michael
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Granados" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: &qu
Well there are some two way dish solutions for consumers now that don't
need a dial-uplink. I think dishnetwork has such a thing as does direct
tv. Doesn't help much but does help people in remote areas.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Crist J. Clark wrote:
>
> I've been looking for some technical descr
Aren't some reasons for using disconnected as's regulatory based ie the
bells etc?
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > inherently wrong with using a single AS in multiple locations, and
> > > advertising discrete blocks of address space in each one. The best reason
> > > to do
Depends on which weed:).
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, E.B. Dreger wrote:
>
> RD> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:46:05 -0500 (EST)
> RD> From: Ralph Doncaster
>
>
> RD> And the number of connected autonomous systems with
> RD> de-aggregated prefixes appears to be even more common than a
> RD> disconnected AS
Just a note, about ten minutes ago a big jult went through our building at
35 S. Market and we lost power entirely. It looks like 55 S market is
also with out power although I assume generators have kicked in. Cause is
unknown yet but there is lots of fire and police activity near by so
probably
Just a note, telis has cleared their bogan filters on 69.x.x.x and it
appears it was a couple weeks ago my fault:). THey also were very
responsive with this so hats off to them.
THanks again!
Scott
While there in there, hopefully they can update their bogan filters and
remove the 69.0.0.0/8 filter:).
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From: "Mike Tancsa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Telus (AS852) problems
I have seen some router cpu questions. I know this is not the place for
router questions specifically could someone pass on the name of the group
for cisco users I remember there was one. Also does anyone happen to know
if the cisco fast E fiber port interoperates with off the shelf
tranceivers
Can someone from point-click consulting andor globalcrossing contact me
off list please.
Thanks
Scott
Can someone with Tiscali write to me off list concerning as9105.net
Thanks
Scott
Wow! They just don't count subscribers:).
I realize one way makes more sense from a "we've got more subscribers than
you do sense" but it wouldn't be that hard to count real subscribers one
wouldn't think.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > In a public press release dated Au
We've seen a lot! of this, thousands of matches per hour when we put in an
acl. We were under Ddos some time ago and all the requests were on port
137. A simple filter on netbios-ns on my upstream fixed it but its uggly.
- Original Message -
From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PR
Actually, I'm not certain but athome didn't seem to proxy or block
anything. I ran my home linux box off at home for a while and never had
any problem with any ports including http and mail. Also, it seems to me
that I tried something similar for a goof with an aol dialup and it worked
as well.
Could an engineer from Charter Cable contact me off list?
Thanks
Scott
Could a verizon engineer contact me off list. It appears that 69.0.0.0 is
filtered still on your network.
Thanks
Scott
ee" as a liquidated damages statement.
> Make it large enough to deter, and worth wild going after them if
> they abuse or damage your network addresses...
>
> precious little IP life forms to the tune of Data singing..
>
> john
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002
My question is this. The company I work for has a no spam policy.
Sometimes users do and of course we shut them off. My own feelings asside
its what is considered proper in the isp community so we do it with out
question. However, what is the best policy and procedure to prevent
people fr
Hi all, does it seem to anyone else in this space that several other
networks are filtering still on the 69.0.0.0 boundary? We have
69.1.64.0/20 and get filtered one in a while. SPecifically digitalisland
and turner broadcasting which seems to be part of ans net in arin which I
assume is ao
Well, Corning had to do something with all that extra fiber they
couldn't sell, so they make a gigantic spool and made it a light buffer.
On
Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
> Where are they diverting it to, the Moon (1.5 light seconds away) ?
>
> Really - I have seen some multise
I have heard that the new paix switch will be attached as well. But only
rumored not sure if its true.
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Celeste Anderson wrote:
>
> Paul, et al.
>
> As I have responded privately to to others offlist, while MAE-LA has
> withered, the other half of the exchange in LA (LAAP
Was wondering if anyone with clue from Cox is listening. My newly
assigned arin block, 69.1.64.0/20 doesn't seem to be making it in to your
filters even with the proper filed bbjects:).
Or maybe I'm missing something obvious.
I'm not sure how much is supposed to be discussed about the paix la
project but I know we're going to turn up peering there, meeting with
our Paix sales person tomorrow. Still, Paix pao seems to have a lot of
asian carriers. Most of which were very very open to peering there.
On 29
Sep 2002
Any chance an engineer from Cox Cable can give me a call or message back.
I'm seeing some odd routing problems between us.
Scott
Speakig of paix's and locations, I know the mfn filings have held up
progress but I wondered and maybe others on this list wonder what the
status of the paix nyiix interconnection might be?
On 20 Aug 2002, Paul
Vixie wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Stratton) writes:
>
> > Uh, yes. Equ
I actually didn't see anything but its probably my own bad search:) I'll
try again.
Thanks
On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the slightly off topic question but very briefly.
> >
> > What tools are people using for 95th percentile billing. Anything unix
Sorry for the slightly off topic question but very briefly.
What tools are people using for 95th percentile billing. Anything unix
based maybe around mysql would be great. Or do most people grow their
own?
Thanks
Scott
Ok, let's make this operation l for one second. This is something I've
always wondered and I have an idea but...
What is the real possibility that there is some sort of structured
monitoring system in place say on the backbone level. Bad fbi meat
eating programs asside I mean really somethi
Better than this:) Does anyone remember when a diligent tech at Sprint
sent an fcc notification about an outage in the fine state of NV when a
certain set of ds3's and oc3's went ofOfline from a circuit braker trip.
I wish I could find it to quote but it went somet ing like...
AA faulty bra
erent set of requirements.
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002,
Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 1:09 PM -0700 2002/08/14, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> > As I recall and definitely don't quote me on this:) but there are also
> > grids of wires in the walls which release broadspectrum noise elect
As I recall and definitely don't quote me on this:) but there are also
grids of wires in the walls which release broadspectrum noise electronic
noise for jamming small transmitters. But only in certain rooms. It
also strikes me that the pentagon is not going to have many interesting
convers
Do people really almost get fired for what they write here? I'd think
there would be more constructive things to do by management than read
nanog for questionable posts. If I were managing someone and they
posted their feeling on a subject and clearly said it was their own who
am I to have
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