Re: Enterprise GPON / Zhone Questions

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:16 AM Ross Tajvar wrote: > I don't really have any advice to offer here (sorry), but I am curious how > setting up a GPON LAN would save money vs just getting cheaper > switches...and also what a GPON LAN even looks like. Does every office or > classroom have an ONT? >

Re: Enterprise GPON / Zhone Questions

I don't really have any advice to offer here (sorry), but I am curious how setting up a GPON LAN would save money vs just getting cheaper switches...and also what a GPON LAN even looks like. Does every office or classroom have an ONT? On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:53 AM Nick Bogle wrote: > Hello

Spam on NANOG (was "Unsolicited LinkedIn requests")

While I agree that some of the replies to the original message were not entirely necessary, I would not go so far as to consider them "spam". In any conversation, sometimes people say things you are not interested in hearing. Being a member of a mailing list is like being a part of many

IXPDB

Hello, I am one of the operators of EVIX and we recently made data available via IX-F Member Export JSON which is also sometimes known as IXPDB JSON. Someone, who I am unclear if it is IX-F, Euro-IX, someone else, or maybe all of them are the same people, has a list of IXPs, especially

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

And for one that SPAM message that was sent to you on LI, now you've made a bunch of SPAM for all the NANOG folks to read through. Thanks for that... -Mike On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 6:21 PM Mark Foster wrote: > > at 5:40 PM, John Levine wrote: > > > >> In article you > >> write: > >>>

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

> at 5:40 PM, John Levine wrote: > >> In article you >> write: >>> Agreed, and I do get unsolicited Linkedin requests quite often. >>> Sometimes, this is clearly the result of someone scraping a list like >>> NANOG in an effort to drum up new business/contacts. Those end up in >>> the >>>

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Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

at 5:40 PM, John Levine wrote: In article you write: Agreed, and I do get unsolicited Linkedin requests quite often. Sometimes, this is clearly the result of someone scraping a list like NANOG in an effort to drum up new business/contacts. Those end up in the bitbucket. When you turn

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

On 12/11/18 11:43 AM, Larry Allen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:56 William Anderson >> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia, Pratik M >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP >>> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation)

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

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Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

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RE: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

Don't complain about people adding you on social media when you sign-up for social media. I can only assume you are complaining to get more views on your social media. I help in your endeavors I have listed your social media's I could find in a quick search. https://www.alfiepates.me/

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

That's really lame. On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:10 PM Alfie Pates wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm not going to name-and-shame, but I just got a LinkedIn connection > request completely out of the blue from somebody with the comment > "Greetings from another NANOG user!" > > I didn't recognise the

RE: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

Sorry that’s me! Often times people post on linked in and I wanted to have it show up in my newsfeed If this isn't allowed let me know and sorry for that! -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Alfie Pates Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 4:08 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject:

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

On 12/11/2018 03:55 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: Permanent Solution: Get rid of LinkedIn (whatever the hillbilly a Linkedin is) I initially created my LinkedIn profile specifically to say I want zero invitations. At the time there was no other way to make LinkedIn /not/ send the invitations.

RE: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

>> Agreed, and I do get unsolicited Linkedin requests quite often. >> Sometimes, this is clearly the result of someone scraping a list >> like NANOG in an effort to drum up new business/contacts. Those >> end up in the bitbucket. > When you turn down a connection there should be "I don't know

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

LinkedIn has been spamming since they started. I've got samples sent to me, to mailing lists, to role accounts, to never-existed addresses, to spamtraps, to all kinds of places. My recommendation remains to permanently blacklist them in every mail system you have authority over. ---rsk

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

In article you write: >Agreed, and I do get unsolicited Linkedin requests quite often. >Sometimes, this is clearly the result of someone scraping a list like >NANOG in an effort to drum up new business/contacts. Those end up in the >bitbucket. When you turn down a connection there should be

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

On 12/11/18 1:53 PM, Mark Foster wrote: Amazingly I had a sales-type engage with me via InMail just recently, defending his cold sales approach (spam, basically) when I tried to do the polite thing and explain why what he was doing was 'bad'. Mark. when on the third un-replied to email

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

Thank you everybody for sharing your views. I think I've got a clear answer. It's better to not go down this slippery path. With Gratitude, Pratik Lotia “Security is like legos. You can build pretty much whatever you want if you have a clear vision of the final product and the skill to

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018, David Cornejo wrote: not sure he was complaining about the request, just that it provided no context or reason why they should link. a personal pet peeve of mine. Agreed, and I do get unsolicited Linkedin requests quite often. Sometimes, this is clearly the result of

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

LinkedIn has a "I don't know this person" option when you decline an invitation. If a user gets too many of those they're kicked, because LinkedIn is explicitly about making cyber connections that you already had IRL. -- Harald

Re: A few GPON questions...

On 12/11/18 4:40 PM, Jameson, Daniel wrote: I’ve used this guy a couple times,  Use your favorite switch/POE switch and viola PON network using switches.  Pretty sure it doesn’t work with Zhone… But Zhone is #88 in my list of PON vendor choices ;)

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

I got the same invite. Sharing your profile in order to make certain information available to potential customers, vendors, partners etc, is not an invitation to connect on the basis of a tenuous-at-best professional tie-in. I'm firmly in the camp of 'Use LinkedIn to remain connected with people

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

not sure he was complaining about the request, just that it provided no context or reason why they should link. a personal pet peeve of mine. On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:50 AM M. Omer GOLGELI wrote: > > Well said... > > But I can't see that on his website... > > > M. OMER GOLGELI > --- > AS202365

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

Well said... But I can't see that on his website... M. OMER GOLGELI --- AS202365 On 2018-12-12 00:39, Daniel Corbe wrote: If you don’t want people contacting you on Linkedin then why do you have a link to your profile on your website? at 4:08 PM, Alfie Pates wrote: Hi folks, I'm not

RE: A few GPON questions...

I’ve used this guy a couple times, Use your favorite switch/POE switch and viola PON network using switches. Pretty sure it doesn’t work with Zhone… But Zhone is #88 in my list of PON vendor choices ;) https://supportforums.adtran.com/docs/DOC-8697 From: NANOG

Re: Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

If you don’t want people contacting you on Linkedin then why do you have a link to your profile on your website? at 4:08 PM, Alfie Pates wrote: Hi folks, I'm not going to name-and-shame, but I just got a LinkedIn connection request completely out of the blue from somebody with the

Re: A few GPON questions...

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 21:16, Tony Wicks wrote: > > I remember working for this little company called EDS... Some bright spark > decided that ATM to the desktop was the future (not this ethernet (or even > token ring) thing) and subsequently converted several thousand head office > machines to

RE: A few GPON questions...

I remember working for this little company called EDS... Some bright spark decided that ATM to the desktop was the future (not this ethernet (or even token ring) thing) and subsequently converted several thousand head office machines to E3 or OC3 to the desktop. Hell of a thing trying to make

Re: A few GPON questions...

Rip it out. Where are your splitters? You can probably fix this with PoE 8-port switches and UPS-es. Every day you wait will cost more. You will never get 25 years out of this, I predict 6mos and then you rip it completely and put in copper/IDFs. -Ben > On Dec 11, 2018, at 1:04 PM,

Unsolicited LinkedIn requests

Hi folks, I'm not going to name-and-shame, but I just got a LinkedIn connection request completely out of the blue from somebody with the comment "Greetings from another NANOG user!" I didn't recognise the name, and a quick search of my email history suggests we haven't interacted before.

Re: A few GPON questions...

Unfortunately management didn't want an apple to apple comparison. They wanted a comparison to how it was spec'd out originally not how we typically deploy it now. I don't think this is a deal breaker for my job, we have 50+ buildings left to manage, and our contractor is responsible for

Re: A few GPON questions...

On 12/11/18 12:32 PM, Alfie Pates wrote: >The cost analysis was already done. >Costs were not factored in for BBUs on every ONT like should have been spec'd out for emergency phone lines. These two things do not quite agree. I'm sure management did some kind of cost analysis, but

Re: A few GPON questions...

Fusion splicing From: NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 7:19 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: A few GPON questions... tir. 11. dec. 2018 19.03 skrev Ben Cannon mailto:b...@6by7.net>>: Sure but I can fit quite a lot

Re: A few GPON questions...

We think it makes sense for cost reduction for semi rural or suburban aerial distribution- reducing the fiber count to like. 12. Reduces costs dramatically vs say a 288 count and all the splicing. (Ribbons are better) -Ben > On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > >> On Dec

Re: A few GPON questions...

>The cost analysis was already done. >Costs were not factored in for BBUs on every ONT like should have been >spec'd out for emergency phone lines. These two things do not quite agree. Update your CV - It is not your responsibility to shoulder the stress of your superiors' bad decisions,

Re: A few GPON questions...

The cost analysis was already done. The cost is around 10% less. The implications are there is no redundancy, lacking capacity, costs were not factored in for BBUs on every ONT like should have been spec'd out for emergency phone lines, etc. After that was done management said to suck it up and

Re: A few GPON questions...

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:59 AM Nick Bogle wrote: > That is correct. We are running SMF from our Datacenter to the end > users desk in the building and providing either in wall 4 port ONTs or > desktop 8-16 port ONTs. Everywhere there would be a traditional 3 port > CAT6 network jack there is a

Re: Security issues based on post RIR allocation rules

Likely with the growing number of inter-RIR transfers of IPv4 blocks, over time, this is only going to get worse (or better)… Worse in that the size of the problem will continue to grow. Better in that as the size of the problem grows, it might become visible enough to actually get addressed.

Re: A few GPON questions...

Ceiling tiles. There is a special ceiling tile that drops down that maintains our 24 port ONTs that do PoE+ to our Cisco WAPs. It's most definitely isn't what I would have chosen to do. On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:30 AM Alfie Pates wrote: > Campus network deployments are expensive, by their very

Re: A few GPON questions...

Campus network deployments are expensive, by their very nature. You are deploying a *lot* of capacity over a not-insignificant footprint. If your building has been constructed sans wiring closets, then I can forsee other issues in your future - Will you be deploying WiFi on site? If so, where do

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

Yes, in some countries (NOT in US, AFAIK) court can issue an order to block IP/domain/URL. If home operator of crime man is blocking the direct access - he have to use TOR/VPN/... to avoid blocking (or may be you really believe he just stop any tries to watch his lovely CP?) If he use

Re: A few GPON questions...

I wish this was an option There isn't any budget for ripping out this system and we are already contractually obliged to deploy GPON in another building that will be coming online in 2-3 years. We've severed the contract beyond that already. That being said We have ~580 ONTs (remember, we

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

It is my understanding that ISPs block IP addresses and domains under court order now for copyright violations, criminal activity which would include CP. They require a court order as they cannot ascertain if it is CP or not, that is a Law Enforcement decision. The US Supreme Court decision's was

Re: A few GPON questions...

Bill, That is correct. We are running SMF from our Datacenter to the end users desk in the building and providing either in wall 4 port ONTs or desktop 8-16 port ONTs. Everywhere there would be a traditional 3 port CAT6 network jack there is a APC fiber jack and/or an in wall ONT. On Tue, Dec

Re: A few GPON questions...

> On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:01 , Ben Cannon wrote: > > Sure but I can fit quite a lot of fiber in very little space. eg an 864 is > approx 1” dia. > > Fan-outs can be done each floor, etc. And a single single mode strand has > prodigious bandwidth available with the right optics. > > Bonus:

Re: Monitoring service that has a human component?

Hi, you could let them insert a custom string into the maintenance page. (I hope they are not writing it on demand) So the monitoring would be ok on status code 200-399 or custom string found. You could also use a different escalation chain when "maintenance" is found on an 503 error. Other than

Re: A few GPON questions...

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:44 AM Nick Bogle wrote: > local university [...] we hired a contractor to design a GPON LAN system for > a new building as a cost saving measure Hi Nick, Do I correctly understand that you're using GPON *inside* the building for connecting stations to the wiring

A few GPON questions...

On 12/11/18 1:07 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: I am still waiting for one of the 10G PON variants to become available. We want to deliver 10G to customers as >1G is becoming common on CPE Wi-Fi routers. But doing it with WDM is too expensive and p2p uses more fiber than we have. XGS-PON is

Re: A few GPON questions...

tir. 11. dec. 2018 19.03 skrev Ben Cannon : > Sure but I can fit quite a lot of fiber in very little space. eg an 864 is > approx 1” dia. > Working with that much fiber is expensive. Too much work at each splice point. Huge inflexible cables. Expensive machinery to blow the fiber. Compare that

Re: Security issues based on post RIR allocation rules

I'll simply endorse the 'stop judging an IP by it's RIR' approach. As a New Zealander (and APNIC is our RIR), having to convince US institutions that our subnets should not be blocked simply because they're out of the same /8 as those used by other Asian nations with poorer IP address

Re: A few GPON questions...

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 07:07:49PM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > > > > And WDM gear if necessary...heck even passive CWDM if you have a riser > > space issue. > > > > WDM is much more expensive than GPON. > > I am still waiting for one of the 10G PON variants to become available. We > want

Re: A few GPON questions...

> > > And WDM gear if necessary...heck even passive CWDM if you have a riser > space issue. > WDM is much more expensive than GPON. I am still waiting for one of the 10G PON variants to become available. We want to deliver 10G to customers as >1G is becoming common on CPE Wi-Fi routers. But

Re: A few GPON questions...

Sure but I can fit quite a lot of fiber in very little space. eg an 864 is approx 1” dia. Fan-outs can be done each floor, etc. And a single single mode strand has prodigious bandwidth available with the right optics. Bonus: if you did this 30 years ago, you’re still good. Anything else

Re: A few GPON questions...

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 05:36:47PM +, Aled Morris via NANOG wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 17:30, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > > There’s only so much space in conduits, risers and ducts. At some point, > > scale would press this up against physical infrastructure realities > > depending on how

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

...and you will see the TOR exit nodes instead of crime home IP if censorship is implemented. 11.12.18 19:35, Aaron1 пише: > ... The only thing I can think of is the idea that I’ve heard before is > the way to catch someone is to watch them well they are accessing, the > concept of honeypots

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Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

Remember what I said... If the censorship system will be created FOR ANY, ANY REASON - you will forget the initial reason very quickly. 11.12.18 19:34, Aaron1 пише: > Right... When would it ever be wrong to stop terrible internet activity > such as this?! > > Aaron > > On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:43

Re: A few GPON questions...

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 17:30, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > There’s only so much space in conduits, risers and ducts. At some point, > scale would press this up against physical infrastructure realities depending > on how far the active gear at the head end is from the subscriber. A point made

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

... The only thing I can think of is the idea that I’ve heard before is the way to catch someone is to watch them well they are accessing, the concept of honeypots comes to mind Aaron > On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Larry Allen wrote: > > I can't imagine a single rational argument against

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

Right... When would it ever be wrong to stop terrible internet activity such as this?! Aaron > On Dec 11, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Larry Allen wrote: > > I can't imagine a single rational argument against this. > >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:56 William Anderson >> On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08,

Re: A few GPON questions...

> On Dec 11, 2018, at 11:32 AM, Ben Cannon wrote: > > Rip it out and run 9/125 SMF fiber home runs. Use BiDi SFPs to re-use your > existing (likely SMF thankfully) cable plant. My opinion. There’s only so much space in conduits, risers and ducts. At some point, scale would press this up

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

I can't imagine a single rational argument against this. On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:56 William Anderson On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia, Pratik M > wrote: > >> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP >> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography

Re: A few GPON questions...

Hello We run a small FTTH internet service provider using Zhone MXK198 switches. This is an older discontinued platform and since Zhone and Dasan merged, there might be nothing but the name in common with your equipment. Anyway, ours are stable and in five years on about 15 switches, we only have

Re: Security issues based on post RIR allocation rules

Spurling, Shannon wrote: > When I call a health care organization, or a web hosting provider, the > first thing I get is that they think we are trying to pull one over on > them and all these ranges must be in Africa or Asia. I show them the > ARIN information for the specific /16, and sometimes

Re: A few GPON questions...

On 12/6/18 10:18 PM, Nick Bogle wrote: -We would like to consider use of 3rd party GPON B+ Optics on the linecards to add redundancy to the splitter (as the cost of 1st party are too high). Does anyone have experience with 3rd party vendors/compatibility/stability issues? We were told they

Re: A few GPON questions...

The first question to ask yourself is: Why does this need to be GPON? The primary advantage of GPON is that it's *passive* (on the distribution side, at least) - this makes it ideal for building networks where most of your infrastructure located in places that getting power is infeasible: for

Re: A few GPON questions...

This, Rip it out Sorry this isn’t what you want to hear.3rd party optics *may* work but when they don’t Zhone support will not help you. I recommend Zhone to my competitors. From: NANOG on behalf of Ben Cannon Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 11:33 AM To: Nick Bogle Cc:

Re: A few GPON questions...

Rip it out and run 9/125 SMF fiber home runs. Use BiDi SFPs to re-use your existing (likely SMF thankfully) cable plant. My opinion. -Ben. AS15206 > On Dec 6, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Nick Bogle wrote: > > Hello fellow NANOG members :) > > Let me start with a little bit of background, my day job

RE: A few GPON questions...

How to deploy with Zhone is to put it in the garbage. I have more than enough horror stories from the provider side of things and enough of their TAC literally screaming at me because I called out of regular hours how my problems are physical fiber issues when it never is. They’ve also caused

Re: Should ISP block child pornography?

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 06:08, Lotia, Pratik M wrote: > Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP > should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation) content? > Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and it wants > ISPs to block

Enterprise GPON / Zhone Questions

Hello fellow NANOG members :) Let me start with a little bit of background, my day job is a Network Engineer for a local university where we have primarily a Cisco environment from phones to switching to routing, etc. Before my time, we hired a contractor to design a GPON LAN system for a new

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Nov 2018

In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

A few GPON questions...

Hello fellow NANOG members :) Let me start with a little bit of background, my day job is a Network Engineer for a local university where we have primarily a Cisco environment from phones to switching to routing, etc. Before my time, we hired a contractor to design a GPON LAN system for a new

Re: Monitoring service that has a human component?

Hi David - Just a bit of insight from my own experience: Common issues when monitoring (and the associated escalation processes) don't work and similar issues are seen as you described: - Inconsistent HTTP response codes across services and service layers (nginx vs the backend tomcat), means you

Security issues based on post RIR allocation rules

Hey, I lurk a bit, and try to stay out of stuff if I can, but I've had a bout of problems that appear to have a common source. I work in the Educational networking area, and a lot of our members are pre-RIR formation internet users. They have IP ranges that were allocated from the 150/8 through