Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 8/31/21 20:18, J. Hellenthal wrote: Also don't get a smart litterbox... ;-) Yeah that's a thing and connects to the local Wi-Fi. Kinda want to DMZ that mutha and wait for a script kiddie to turn one of my cats upside down... dubs litter-robot.com I have one, the cat loves it and it's

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

Also don't get a smart litterbox... ;-) Yeah that's a thing and connects to the local Wi-Fi. Kinda want to DMZ that mutha and wait for a script kiddie to turn one of my cats upside down... dubs litter-robot.com -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 8/31/21 4:40 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: On the other hand, the last time I went looking for a 27” monitor, I ended up buying a 44” smart television because it was a cheaper HDMI 4K monitor than the 27” alternatives that weren’t televisions. (It also ended up being cheaper than the

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

We don’t NAT IPv4 and we’ve had a few new issues with Netflix (had to fix it a few years ago too).They resolved it this time, thankfully! > On Aug 31, 2021, at 18:15, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Force the traffic to these companies to use IPv6. Advise your customers that > you are doing

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 8/31/21 5:13 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them that makes them 'cheaper'... (still wonder how well that tracking stuff

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them that makes them 'cheaper'... (still wonder how well that tracking stuff complies with GDPR, I am thinking it does

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

If Netflix, et al. are not accepting connections from CGNs they are ALREADY obsolete. Yes, I know it sucks to have to tell your customers that they just bought obsolete equipment. Plug in Chromecast, Apple TV, and they can get back that functionality with a product that does actually get

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 16:32 , Jeroen Massar wrote: > > On 2021-09-01 01:13, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: >> You just broke 99% of the smart television sets in people’s homes, >> unfortunately. > > If only everybody would not get a separate box, be that a AppleTV, a > Playstation, a XBox,

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

"on you home router" Is that still common anymore? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mark Andrews" To: "Bryan Holloway" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, August 31,

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 2021-09-01 01:13, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: You just broke 99% of the smart television sets in people’s homes, unfortunately. If only everybody would not get a separate box, be that a AppleTV, a Playstation, a XBox, Chromecast, ... or many other options. Fun part being that it is

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

You just broke 99% of the smart television sets in people’s homes, unfortunately. That will resolve itself over time, of course, as sets are replaced, but anyone with a set that is more than ~3 years old is mostly unlikely to have IPv6 support in it and the vendors are ALL universally terrible

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

>> I regret the true human cost that Mark pointed out, yet I am fascinated >> by the case and the arguments on both sides. The court will have their >> work cut out for them. > > That human cost came not from disagreement on the policies and > contract provisions, but from a vengeful action of

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:17 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > It’s germane to NANOG. Just last week I visited a “data center” that uses > a roll up generator and a cheater cord to power the racks. “Oh, this is > safe”, they told me. “We have a policy that you must throw the main breaker > before

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 13:53 , Jon Lewis wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, Sabri Berisha wrote: > >> - On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> [ I'm not affiliated with CI in any way, just playing the Devil's Advocate ] >> >>> "5.4.6.2 AFRINIC

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

Force the traffic to these companies to use IPv6. Advise your customers that you are doing this, why you are doing this and what steps they need to take to enable IPv6 on their equipment. Your customers can’t be in a worse position. "Dear customer, if you want to reach … you will

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> > But you would need to be upfront with that, including mentioning that > > your upstreams are not from Africa and your installations won't be in > > Africa. > > Otherwise you applied for number resources under false pretenses, and > > will bear the risk of such. > > Again, fair enough. And what

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

- On Aug 31, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rubens, > On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 5:28 PM Sabri Berisha wrote: >> In all fairness, that is as ambiguous as it can be. What constitutes "support >> of connectivity back to the AfriNIC region"? > > I can try helping with

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: Hi, [ I'm not affiliated with CI in any way, just playing the Devil's Advocate ] "5.4.6.2 AFRINIC resources are for AFRINIC service region and any use outside the region should be

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

I have customer subnet that does not work with Disney+ (pages never fully load), other streaming services are ok. Sent multiple emails to Disney over the last few months using info on the Brothers WISP page. I got a response to the first email saying they would “pass it along for investigation”

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 5:28 PM Sabri Berisha wrote: > > - On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: > > Hi, > > [ I'm not affiliated with CI in any way, just playing the Devil's Advocate ] > > > "5.4.6.2 AFRINIC resources are for AFRINIC service region and any use > >

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

Thanks, Owen ... good point. Now hearing reports for these same prefixes with Disney+ too. So the common denominators are: HBO Hulu Netflix Amazon Prime Disney+ ... there has _got_ to be some new-fangled DB somewhere. This all started in the last month or so. All of our RR objects, whois,

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 2:19 PM Bryan Holloway wrote: > So I've made some progress, but not on the HBO front. (Hulu and Netflix > have been responsive so far.) > > Tried the e-mail address on Mike Hammett and Co.'s handy web-page, but > got no response after several days. Ironically we were able

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

- On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: Hi, [ I'm not affiliated with CI in any way, just playing the Devil's Advocate ] > "5.4.6.2 AFRINIC resources are for AFRINIC service region and any use > outside the region should be solely in support of connectivity back to

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

Indeed. Let me be 100% clear: We are having issues with prefixes flagged as VPNs. They are not. We are NOT having issues with prefixes and geolocation. On 8/31/21 9:24 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: * war...@kumari.net (Warren Kumari) [Tue 31 Aug 2021, 21:04 CEST]: So, RFC8805 is great and all,

Re: Operational need for IP address space (Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation)

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 12:17 , John Curran wrote: > > On 31 Aug 2021, at 2:23 PM, Owen DeLong > wrote: >> >>> Do we have parties who postulate their operational need based on entirely >>> internal services, or services that live within virtual devices in a data >>>

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

* war...@kumari.net (Warren Kumari) [Tue 31 Aug 2021, 21:04 CEST]: So, RFC8805 is great and all, but it sure is annoying that you have to find webforms for a whole heap-o-geolocation providers, and figure out how to tell them where your geofeed file lives, etc. Introducing RFC9092 - "Finding

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

In this old (really not all that old comparatively, mid-late 19th c) Boston neighborhood there are apparently still appliances w/o thermocouple gas shut-offs. I know because a local gas guy I was talking to told me it was a nightmare if they had to shut off the gas in the street. They had a

Re: Operational need for IP address space (Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation)

On 31 Aug 2021, at 2:23 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: Do we have parties who postulate their operational need based on entirely internal services, or services that live within virtual devices in a data center? Sure… and some of these are indeed legitimate and fulfilled per

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 11:16 , Bryan Holloway wrote: > > So I've made some progress, but not on the HBO front. (Hulu and Netflix have > been responsive so far.) > > Tried the e-mail address on Mike Hammett and Co.'s handy web-page, but got no > response after several days. Ironically we

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

I guess I sort of started this part of the thread because I was thinking: Gosh, I sure hope people who own home generators read NANOG regularly (or linepersons have some other plan). -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

I have a gas-fired hot water system, the electricity is also used to run the gas blower. I believe most of the electricity it uses is for circulating the hot water which you mention but it won't do anything w/o electricity. Actually I can bypass the circulator and it will do its best to

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 7:54 PM Justin Krejci wrote: > +1 on Bryan's message. > > > TL;DR > > It seems lots of ISPs are struggling to figure out the why and the where > of many IP addresses or blocks that are suddenly being blacklisted or > flagged as VPNs or as out of service area. > > > > > I

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 09:23 , Sabri Berisha wrote: > > - On Aug 31, 2021, at 2:11 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > li...@packetflux.com wrote: > > Hi, > >> I just wish the electrical code would permit or require certain low cost >> things >> which make temporary generator

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 08:40 , Jon Lewis wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > >> >> On Aug 30, 2021, at 18:00 , Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> >> AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what >> ISPs do. It’s the definition of an LIR. >>

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Here’s an example of the type I was describing in my previous post: https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/23330/how-can-i-retrofit-this-existing-wall-heater-with-an-external-thermostat (Primarily for the image, not the subject matter of the page)

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 07:41 , Mel Beckman wrote: > > Mark, > > But you said “Gas-fired furnaces or heaters should not have an impact because > the only electrical requirement is to fire up the pilot light.” There is no > gas-fired furnace I know of that doesn’t require a blower fan. How

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 07:15 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 8/31/21 16:06, Mel Beckman wrote: > >> I think you’re forgetting about the all-important blower fan in a gas-fired >> furnace. > > Well, I was referring to a pure electric furnace, not one that uses a blower > over a gas-fired

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 03:36 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 8/31/21 12:26, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > >> Yes. Or any other furnace where the electricity is only used for >> circulation of the heat. Gas fired Hot water furnaces would be another >> example where there is

Re: Operational need for IP address space (Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation)

> Do we have parties who postulate their operational need based on entirely > internal services, or services that live within virtual devices in a data > center? Sure… and some of these are indeed legitimate and fulfilled per > policy. We also have folks who get creative and make similar

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

So I've made some progress, but not on the HBO front. (Hulu and Netflix have been responsive so far.) Tried the e-mail address on Mike Hammett and Co.'s handy web-page, but got no response after several days. Ironically we were able to get through to the "closed-captioning" department, but

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 07:06, Mel Beckman wrote: Mark, I think you’re forgetting about the all-important blower fan in a gas-fired furnace. We're *really* getting in the weeds here. A single note to the list about not backfeeding has really blown up. That said, the reason the code requires furnaces

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

] > AFRINIC has never approved IPv4 for purposes of leasing. There is a public > statement to this effect. > > > Yes. Nonetheless, it does not change the fact that every LIR that is a > resource member of AFRINIC leases IPV4 addresses every day, nor does > it change the fact that every

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 31, 2021, at 00:44 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 03:08 Owen DeLong, > wrote: > > >> On Aug 30, 2021, at 16:19 , Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> >> wrote: >> >> >> Owen, >> >> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 02:10 Owen DeLong via NANOG, >

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 18:32, Jay Hennigan wrote: More likely a forced-air gas furnace with an electric blower. An electric furnace would be a heavy lift for a portable generator. Yes, this was my thinking, until Mel clarified. Mark.

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 17:07, Warren Kumari wrote: Depending on what you mean by furnace -- in some places, the term is used to cover basically any permanent (usually non-wood) heater. We have something like this in a holiday/weekend property:

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 02:19, Mark Tinka wrote: On 8/31/21 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: For example, code requires most furnaces to be hardwired.  But a furnace is one of the first things you want on a generator in an extended winter power outage.   If instead of hardwired, the code

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

- On Aug 31, 2021, at 2:11 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Hi, > I just wish the electrical code would permit or require certain low cost > things > which make temporary generator connections more likely to be safe. > For example, code requires most

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

It’s germane to NANOG. Just last week I visited a “data center” that uses a roll up generator and a cheater cord to power the racks. “Oh, this is safe”, they told me. “We have a policy that you must throw the main breaker before plugging in the generator. Since you have to open the garage door

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: On Aug 30, 2021, at 18:00 , Rubens Kuhl wrote: AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what ISPs do. It’s the definition of an LIR. Yes, most LIRs are also in the connectivity business and provide

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:44 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > Mark, > > But you said “Gas-fired furnaces or heaters should not have an impact > because the only electrical requirement is to fire up the pilot light.” > There is no gas-fired furnace I know of that doesn’t require a blower fan. > How else

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 16:41, Mel Beckman wrote: But you said “Gas-fired furnaces or heaters should not have an impact because the only electrical requirement is to fire up the pilot light.” There is no gas-fired furnace I know of that doesn’t require a blower fan. How else does the heat get out of

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Is this conversation really taking place on NANOG? Don't backfeed power. Got it. Stupid people are going to be stupid, we won't solve it here. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:41 AM Mel Beckman

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Mark, But you said “Gas-fired furnaces or heaters should not have an impact because the only electrical requirement is to fire up the pilot light.” There is no gas-fired furnace I know of that doesn’t require a blower fan. How else does the heat get out of the furnace? To answer your

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 16:06, Mel Beckman wrote: I think you’re forgetting about the all-important blower fan in a gas-fired furnace. Well, I was referring to a pure electric furnace, not one that uses a blower over a gas-fired one :-). In that case, the blower is not a major draw on power. But

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Mark, I think you’re forgetting about the all-important blower fan in a gas-fired furnace. That said, the reason the code requires furnaces to be hardwired is to ensure that the blower interlock system can’t be bypassed. An electrical interlock ties a heat recover ventilator to circulation

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 12:26, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Yes.   Or any other furnace where the electricity is only used for circulation of the heat.  Gas fired Hot water furnaces would be another example where there is minimal electricity used to run the furnace controls and circulate the

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Yes. Or any other furnace where the electricity is only used for circulation of the heat. Gas fired Hot water furnaces would be another example where there is minimal electricity used to run the furnace controls and circulate the hot water. All of these run on 120V and usually well under 15A.

Operational need for IP address space (Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation)

On 30 Aug 2021, at 9:31 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > (I'm going to regret this in the morning, but...) Perhaps... > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 8:12 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG > wrote: > > AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what ISPs >

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I just wish the electrical code would permit or require certain low cost things which make temporary generator connections more likely to be safe. For example, code requires most furnaces to be hardwired.  But a furnace is one of

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

I just wish the electrical code would permit or require certain low cost things which make temporary generator connections more likely to be safe. For example, code requires most furnaces to be hardwired. But a furnace is one of the first things you want on a generator in an extended winter

701 contact that actually responds...

Hi guys, we (1280) have a prefix missing from 701's routing tables that harms us quite a bit. I've tried contacting the obvious email addresses with details, but got zero response (I've checked the spamtrap) inside 24 hours. Is there a better way to contact the actual NOC than

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 05:08 John Kristoff, wrote: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:29:48 -0700 > Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > Further, the registries are not engaged in the daily operations of the > internet. > > Hi Owen, > > Your statement above I have to insist is simply incorrect. In addition

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 03:08 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > > On Aug 30, 2021, at 16:19 , Noah wrote: > > > Owen, > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 02:10 Owen DeLong via NANOG, wrote: > >> >> >> > On Aug 30, 2021, at 07:44 , Mark Tinka wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/30/21 16:19, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/31/21 07:37, John van Oppen wrote: I told my wife that she is my critical load as such I like to treat our place like a datacenter. House wide UPS for all lights and all bedroom and office outlets, large generator system, ATS and lots of fuel. Last time I was at a nanog and the