Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-31 Thread A.J. Franzman
Got any plastic model kits with "chrome" parts? Those are made by vacuum metal deposition, essentially the same process by which the glass inside those 7032 tubes we've been commenting on has become silvered. Put an ohmmeter onto one of those model parts and see what kind of a reading you get.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-30 Thread 'jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l
I will believe it when I see it. On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-7, A.J. Franzman wrote: > > If you sputter enough metal onto any insulator, you can make it conduct. > > On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-7, j@my-deja.com wrote: >> >> I think this is improbable. On t

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-30 Thread A.J. Franzman
If you sputter enough metal onto any insulator, you can make it conduct. On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 1:28:06 PM UTC-7, j@my-deja.com wrote: > > I think this is improbable. On the one tube that I dissected*, the back > substrate is an insulating white ceramic with an insulating black cer

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-30 Thread 'jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l
I would believe it was NOS if it was accompanied by a pristine box, the lettering on the tube was all sharp and crisp, and the pins were all straight (with no tool marks from straightening) and unscratched (or maybe one scratch from burn-in). -- You received this message because you are subsc

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-30 Thread Jeff Walton
neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:28 PM To: neonixie-l Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 9:31:39 PM UTC-7, A.J. Franzman wrote: ... They might be shorted to the back substrate and possibly even each other via the substrate...

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-30 Thread 'jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l
On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 9:31:39 PM UTC-7, A.J. Franzman wrote: > > ... They might be shorted to the back substrate and possibly even each > other via the substrate... > I think this is improbable. On the one tube that I dissected*, the back substrate is an insulating white ceramic with an

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-29 Thread A.J. Franzman
You got that backwards. Unused digits/segments in a nixie become "poisoned" by stuff given off from the active segments. Trying to light those middle vertical and diagonal segments in a tube from a well-used "Giant Nixie Clock" from the early 1970's now, might reveal that those segments don't l

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-27 Thread 'jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l
On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 1:38:28 PM UTC-7, rmp wrote: > > To the folks who are still running the "Giant Nixie Clock". From the early > 1970's: > ... as I recall it treated the tubes as 7-segment devices...Am I correct? Yes. It was based on the MM5314 from National Semiconductor. -

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-27 Thread rmp
To the folks who are still running the "Giant Nixie Clock". From the early 1970's: I built one of these way back when. Unfortunately, it is long gone, but as I recall it treated the tubes as 7-segment devices, and so the 2 middle vertical and the 4 diagonal segments will NEVER have been lit. A

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-27 Thread Dekatron42
I ran across similar capacitor problem when using surface mount tantalum capacitors and MLCC capacitors, without the proper working voltage across them they behave poorly. I had to read a lot of design notes and datasheets to realise that they did not fit my design, MLCC capacitors has to be re

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-27 Thread JohnK
ust 27, 2016 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 12:21:56 AM UTC-7, Jeff Walton wrote: >During the life of the clock, there were a couple failures of the caps in the voltage doubler When your cap(s) failed, was it catas

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-26 Thread gregebert
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 12:21:56 AM UTC-7, Jeff Walton wrote: > > >During the life of the clock, there were a couple failures of the caps in > the voltage doubler > When your cap(s) failed, was it catastrophic ? I've only had 1 electrolytic fail in recent history, and it was a low-vo

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-24 Thread Jeff Walton
long time. From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gregebert Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:25 AM To: neonixie-l Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current > I built three clocks with a total of 18 tubes. So far, after 40+ ye

[neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-23 Thread 'jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 10:25:09 PM UTC-7, gregebert wrote: > > 40 *years* ? How many hours per day are you running your tubes ? > Mine has been running 24x7x365.25, with brief exceptions for things like moving to a new home, power outages due to earthquakes (California!) and weather, etc.

[neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-23 Thread gregebert
> I built three clocks with a total of 18 tubes. So far, after 40+ years, there have been zero tube failures. 40 *years* ? How many hours per day are you running your tubes ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from

[neonixie-l] Re: b7971 segment current

2016-08-19 Thread 'jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l
I did nothing heroic. I used the cheapest transistors I could find (PolyPaks, John Meshna, etc.) and carbon comp resistors. I used the resistor values in the old "73 Magazine" article "Build a Giant Nixie Clock" from the mid-1970s, and increased the HV power supply voltage until it was "brigh