Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
I would be afraid that when You want to change anything on your metal flange system, You have to buy another parts, have to search for them etc.. On glass system You can change everything yourself, it is cheap. And once the connection in glass is made, You can be sure it is vacuum tight (it is visi

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread jb-electronics
Hi Dailbor, you mention a key point: I tried a setup with ordinary refrigeration tech hoses before (just like the ones on your website) and I also used transparent silicone hoses. The result was: It was not tight. There were leaks all over the place. That is why I want to get rid of this pro

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Making a glass vacuum system (filling manifold) is quite easy with glassblowing torch and blowhose. I tried several T-joints and when I was satisfied with function (look could be better) I started to make a glass system. I am not decided how to connect it to vacuum pump, I realised, that silicone h

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread jb-electronics
Hi, for easier maintenance and also due to my dissatisfactory glassworking skills I will use a standard vacuum flange system. There is a very good needle valve I used once in the university that I would love to have for my setup. It allows you to let in the gas very (!) smoothly so almost any

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi, for what do You need needle valve? And how much does that costs? I use common glass high vacuum valves.. I am going to build an oven according to: http://www.teralab.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/Annealing_Oven/Annealing_Oven_Page1.htm Now I use a box with vermiculite ($10), it works surprisingly well,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread jb-electronics
Hi Dalibor, yes, that is my number 2 item on the wish list, the first one is the needle valve. What do you do for annealing? Have you built yourself an annealing oven? Jens I forgot, I bought small glassblowing torch, oxy-gas, it is huge difference compared to hardware torch. If You have so

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
I forgot, I bought small glassblowing torch, oxy-gas, it is huge difference compared to hardware torch. If You have some spare money, go for it.. You can set the flame to heat just a small area (5mm diameter) and so... Dalibor 2012/6/26 jb-electronics > Hi, > > Do You have any info about your

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi, thats the same with me, I also rather works with glass than write on web ;-) I am making exactly what You wrote - simple glow lamps, filled by argon. I seal them and run them as long as possible. I make one with pressure just enough for the glow to cover all the cathode evenly, stainless steel

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread jb-electronics
Hi, Do You have any info about your progress on your site? I am currently training my glasswork "skills", which is really a lot of work, so this eats up all my spare time at the moment. I will have more time in the next months, so for me it will take some more time, sadly. Hence, there is n

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Alek onet
I have mercury dispenser, used in fluorescent lamp. I think that it's safety. I have also a lot of small Ti-Hg "drugs" for plasma displays, but I'm not able to use it. I don't know how to use it. I used liquid mercury, but I hate this method:/. I can't to tell that Ron is right. If you want lo

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Nick
On Tuesday, 26 June 2012 14:15:00 UTC+1, glasslinger wrote: > > Good reason for not using mercury in your tubes! Pick a low sputter > cathode metal so it isn't necessary. Also, getters are not really necessary > in tubes operating at nixie tube pressures. Just do a good bakeout and you > will be

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread jb-electronics
Hi, but where do you get the mercury dispenser? Do you have a source? I am just curious because I searched for it some months ago and did not find any. But Ron is probably right: Many Nixie tubes neither have getters nor mercury in there, so the bakeout really is the crucial part. Jens Mer

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Mercury + stainless steel cathode are the best combination for the longest lifetime of the tube. Another possibility is to use molybdenum cathode, but it is not easy to obtain (0.1mm shim), I dont know how to etch it, it is quite brittle to work with and difficult to spotweld to lead-in-wires. I wi

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread glasslinger
Good reason for not using mercury in your tubes! Pick a low sputter cathode metal so it isn't necessary. Also, getters are not really necessary in tubes operating at nixie tube pressures. Just do a good bakeout and you will be fine. ron On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:09:26 AM UTC-7, Dalibor wrote

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Important info! Thanks for that! Dalibor 2012/6/26 Alek onet > Flashes getters aren't good for nixie tubes because barium mirror > exchange mercury vapours to another gases. That's why. > > > Best regards > Alek > > W dniu 2012-06-26 09:51, Dalibor Farný pisze: > > Thats exactly what I mean, I

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dieter Waechter
Yes, right, but it works for tubes like B-5025 series, since they are mercury-free and the getter mirror is on the back of the tube. Dieter Am 26.06.2012 12:42, schrieb Alek onet: Flashes getters aren't good for nixie tubes because barium mirror exchange mercury vapours to another gases. That's

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Alek onet
Flashes getters aren't good for nixie tubes because barium mirror exchange mercury vapours to another gases. That's why. Best regards Alek W dniu 2012-06-26 09:51, Dalibor Farný pisze: Thats exactly what I mean, I will use flashed getter for testing - I will disassemble some old TV tube as Ro

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Thats exactly what I mean, I will use flashed getter for testing - I will disassemble some old TV tube as Ron suggested. But I want to use right getter later.. Do You have any info about your progress on your site? Dalibor 2012/6/26 jb-electronics > Hi folks, > > the only tube with a flashed

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread jb-electronics
Hi folks, the only tube with a flashed getter I know of is the XN-1: http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/data/XN1/XN1.htm To be honest: I will not use getters at the moment. There is so much glasswork to figure out for me, that is the part that I will focus on in the next months. :-) Jens

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dieter Waechter
You will find the flashed getters on the back of the tubes, but not on all. Only SH4, SH5 do have these (The "SH" designation are my own designations and stand for "shape", I need that for my tube matching system) there are 7 known shapes of the B-5025 tubes. Dieter Am 26.06.2012 09:16, schri

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-26 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi Dieter, I don't see any flashed metal in B-5025, just some stripes of metal on the top. What I understand under term "flashing getter": "Flash gettering means, chemically active, comparatively volatile metals-mostly metals of the alkaline earth group are evaporated by heating their supports at

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread Dieter Waechter
flashed getters are not used in nixies (I havent seen it at least), No, no. Many burroughs Nixie tubes have flashed getters. See the B-5025 series for example. Some of these have flashed getters, some have not. Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi Dylan, flashed getters are not used in nixies (I havent seen it at least), just some VFD tube use flashed getters. Flashed getters leave a coating on a glass envelope of the tube - we don't want that. I think that kind of getter needs only initial activation by heat which could be done by induc

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread John Rehwinkel
>The literature lists them as thermally active- they only absorb if you put > them somewhere hot. >Many styles of getters are made this way; most tubes do run quite hot, > beacuse of the filaments.. > >There isn't anywhere in a nixie tube that is constantly 100C-200C. (That's > par

[neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread dylan roelofs
Hey Dalibor and others- I don't feel that these are the right getters for nixie tubes. The literature lists them as thermally active- they only absorb if you put them somewhere hot. Many styles of getters are made this way; most tubes do run quite hot, beacuse of the filaments.. The

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 12-06-25 07:03 PM, Dalibor Farnı wrote: Hi, thanks, the problem with these companies is that they wants an order of minimum quantity 100.000 pcs and so.. This is quite problem ;-) Most of them are set up to do "Production Quantities" once they get an order they set up and do the run. and t

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi, thanks, the problem with these companies is that they wants an order of minimum quantity 100.000 pcs and so.. This is quite problem ;-) Dalibor 2012/6/25 kay486 > Hi there, good that you ware able to find something. I decided to look > getters up on google and this is what ive found ( > htt

[neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread kay486
Hi there, good that you ware able to find something. I decided to look getters up on google and this is what ive found ( http://www.hdgetters.com/products/products-e.htm ) dont know if you know about it or not, or if its anyhow helpful. They dont seem to have any price indication there. Im not

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread AndrakondrA (Daniil)
Hi Dalibor. I can take 150-200. About progress - not much, for now I have exam period in my Masters studies. Made a spot welder for the wires and grids. Still stuck with pump problem, found one for cheap but it gives ~10 (-1) torr - not enough. :( In two to three weeks I will have more time an

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread Dalibor Farný
Hi Dan! how many pieces? I am thinking about one bag (500pcs). btw: any progress in your setup? Dalibor 2012/6/25 AndrakondrA (Daniil) > Dalibor Hi. > > I'm definitely interested!!! > > Daniil. > > On Monday, June 25, 2012 10:21:36 AM UTC-8, Dalibor wrote: >> >> Hello guys, >> >> I've got an

[neonixie-l] Re: nixie makers: getters

2012-06-25 Thread AndrakondrA (Daniil)
Dalibor Hi. I'm definitely interested!!! Daniil. On Monday, June 25, 2012 10:21:36 AM UTC-8, Dalibor wrote: > > Hello guys, > > I've got an offer on getters, tech info attached.. the price is approx. > 5pcs/1 eur. Is anyone interested in it? I will place an order in several > weeks, I may send