Re[9]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-16 Thread rikona
Hello Tom, Sunday, June 15, 2003, 7:39:29 AM, you wrote: TB> As you can see 'x' is a heck of a lot more than 'X'. Yes, indeed. :-) I see. TB> First, you generally only want to use 'kill' on specific TB> applications that can't be stopped more normally, not systems like TB> X. Aha - sound

Re[11]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-16 Thread rikona
Hello stormjumper, Saturday, June 14, 2003, 9:54:26 PM, you wrote: s> in this case, since you can still ssh in, would it be better, once s> this happens, to issue a reboot command. hopefully at least the s> system would bring itself down gracefully, Ah... good suggestion. -- Thank you, ri

Re[2]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-16 Thread rikona
Hello Anne, Saturday, June 14, 2003, 12:49:33 PM, you wrote: AW> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:54 pm, rikona wrote: >> F> The New twikis work too. :D >> >> What's a twiki? AW> It;s a community owned and edited site. Ours is at Thanks for the info. -- Thank you, rikona

Re: Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-15 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Saturday June 14 2003 02:03 pm, rikona wrote: > Hello Tom, > > Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:54:10 AM, you wrote: > >> That's exactly what I did, but it didn't kill it. I'd run top, > >> get the PID, exit top, kill it, go back to top, and it's still > >> there. Any idea why? > > TB>Usually I s

Re: Re[9]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-14 Thread stormjumper
ppens, to issue a reboot command. hopefully at least the system would bring itself down gracefully, better than a hard reset would. - Original Message - From: "rikona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "stormjumper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 03:32

Re: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-14 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 7:54 pm, rikona wrote: > F> The New twikis work too. :D > > What's a twiki? It;s a community owned and edited site. Ours is at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome Browse around, there's a surprising amount there already, and it's growing fast. There's also

Re[9]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-14 Thread rikona
Hello stormjumper, Thursday, June 12, 2003, 9:57:57 PM, you wrote: >> That seemed to bring down everything - ssh remote quit responding, >> could not log back in, no keys worked anywhere. s> i'm sorry to hear that. i've just tried, and killing the pid of s> startx brought down everything running

Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-14 Thread rikona
Hello Tom, Thursday, June 12, 2003, 10:54:10 AM, you wrote: >> That's exactly what I did, but it didn't kill it. I'd run top, get >> the PID, exit top, kill it, go back to top, and it's still there. >> Any idea why? TB>Usually I start with a 'killall ' If that doesn't get TB> it done I run

Re[8]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-14 Thread rikona
Hello FemmeFatale, Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 5:08:14 PM, you wrote: F> I hate "man" pages...with a passion... they weren't meant as F> tutorials...as such they suck. They are terse, capable but like F> the military very practical. Rely on web stuff if you can more F> often for how-tos & "i'm a

Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-14 Thread rikona
Hello Stephen, Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 4:19:25 PM, you wrote: SK> On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 04:41, rikona wrote: >> That's exactly what I did, but it didn't kill it. I'd run top, get the >> PID, exit top, kill it, go back to top, and it's still there. Any idea >> why? SK> It's probably easier to

Re: Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-13 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Thursday June 12 2003 01:27 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:54:10 -0500 > > Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > 'kill -9' all the relevant pid's. (alias wpid='ps aux | > > grep') > > or my favourite, kill `pidof "appname"`... you gotta do it as > root, but it will kill al

Re: Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-12 Thread stormjumper
- Original Message - From: "rikona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "stormjumper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 07:08 Subject: Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes? > Hello stormjumper, > > Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 1:42:02 PM, you w

Re: Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-12 Thread JoeHill
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:54:10 -0500 Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > 'kill -9' all the relevant pid's. (alias wpid='ps aux | grep') or my favourite, kill `pidof "appname"`... you gotta do it as root, but it will kill all instances of the app without you having to do all the PIDs. the

Re: Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-12 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday June 11 2003 01:41 pm, rikona wrote: > SK> Ain't it all the more easy to login via telnet or ssh from > another SK> machine and just kill the offending process(es)? Or > is that too easy? > > That's exactly what I did, but it didn't kill it. I'd run top, > get the PID, exit top, kill i

Re[7]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread FemmeFatale
At 04:08 PM 6/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hmmm... didn't know there was more than one. :-) Us newbies have a lot to learn, I guess. I am slowly beginning to undersatnd the man pages better. The terseness and jargon, for me, is not newbie oriented, and sometimes quite difficult to fully understand. L

Re: Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread stormjumper
are man kill man 2 kill man 7 signal - Original Message - From: "rikona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 02:41 Subject: Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes? > Hello Stephen, > >

Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread rikona
Hello Adolfo, Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 6:28:17 AM, you wrote: AB> I am back to RTFM, "man runlevel" and understanding scripts in AB> /etc/rc.d/init.d/. If you run across something that will help me recover from X crashes, please let me know. For now, I've UNINSTALLED stellarium 0.5 (and better

Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread rikona
Hello Stephen, Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 4:56:24 AM, you wrote: SK> Anyways, REAL linux users don't use XWindows anyways. Complete SK> waste of space. Complete waste of resource. Using a mouse for SK> anything other than a paperweight is a useless operation with SK> nothing but bad things to come

Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread rikona
Hello Stephen, Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 4:17:46 AM, you wrote: >> I tried 'kill 1452' to > get rid of X, and that wouldn't stop it >> either. A 'kill -9 1452' > apparently killed the machine. Reboot >> time. SK> Ain't it all the more easy to login via telnet or ssh from another SK> machine and

Re[5]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread rikona
Hello Adolfo, Wednesday, June 11, 2003, 4:07:23 AM, you wrote: AB> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace restarts X. When I was snooping to find emergency fixes, I ran across an article: How to prevent ctrl-alt-backspace from killing the X session. I thought that was what it did. The article suggests: Start X with

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 07:56, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > I reckon I understand, but isn't starting a system in runlevel 3 and > killing X two different things?? Unless I've really really missed > something here... For sure, the one missing something here is me. I thought that switching from run level

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 22:32, Charles A Edwards wrote: > But I can't watch my porn unless I use XWindows lynx just doesn't cut > the mustard Good point, Charles. You win. -- Wed Jun 11 23:05:00 EST 2003 23:05:00 up 4 days, 8:56, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.10 -

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Charles A Edwards
On 11 Jun 2003 21:56:24 +1000 Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyways, REAL linux users don't use XWindows anyways. Complete waste > of space. Complete waste of resource. Using a mouse for anything other > than a paperweight is a useless operation with nothing but bad things > to come ou

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 21:41, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > Ain't it all the more easy to login via telnet or ssh from another > > machine and just kill the offending process(es)? Or is that too easy? > > Right. It is too easy. > > Now seriously. Rikona was talking about killing X and the best way tha

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 07:17, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 21:07, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 00:22, rikona wrote: > > > > > As I understand it, Ctl+Alt+Backspace is supposed to stop X, but it > > > does not stop according to the remote terminal. I tried 'kill 1452'

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 21:07, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 00:22, rikona wrote: > > > As I understand it, Ctl+Alt+Backspace is supposed to stop X, but it > > does not stop according to the remote terminal. I tried 'kill 1452' to > > get rid of X, and that wouldn't stop it either. A '

Re: Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-11 Thread Adolfo Bello
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 00:22, rikona wrote: > As I understand it, Ctl+Alt+Backspace is supposed to stop X, but it > does not stop according to the remote terminal. I tried 'kill 1452' to > get rid of X, and that wouldn't stop it either. A 'kill -9 1452' > apparently killed the machine. Reboot time.

Re[3]: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-10 Thread rikona
Hello rikona, Tuesday, June 10, 2003, 8:12:58 PM, you wrote: r> Got it working, and now looking through the 'back door' from a Win r> machine. Well, stellarium crashed the screen again! This time, though, I can see (via ssh & top) that everything is running happily on the machine, even stellariu

Re: [newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-10 Thread Derek Jennings
On Wednesday 11 Jun 2003 2:20 am, rikona wrote: > Hello, > > Just had another crash, with a full screen app. Tried all the > emergency recovery techniques mentioned earlier, but nothing seemed to > restore a console or screen I could work with. Did a reboot. :-( > > For several of the emergency thi

[newbie] Backdoor for crashes?

2003-06-10 Thread rikona
Hello, Just had another crash, with a full screen app. Tried all the emergency recovery techniques mentioned earlier, but nothing seemed to restore a console or screen I could work with. Did a reboot. :-( For several of the emergency things, it seemed as though linux was still working (I could mo