:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Barry Say
Sent: 10 February 2010 14:30
To: NSP group
Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
Gibbons, John wrote:
>
> Barry said
> "If only pipes were so simple"
>
> The formula for strings:
>
> f = (1/2L) * s
Gibbons, John wrote:
Barry said
"If only pipes were so simple"
The formula for strings:
f = (1/2L) * sqrt (T/mu)
neglects all sorts of effects, such as the bow or the finger, the rigidity of
the string, the speed of tension waves in the string, etc. And we haven't
thought of the motion of
Or the pitch of the discussion could rise...
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Francis Wood
Sent: 10 February 2010 13:01
To: Barry Say
Cc: NSP group
Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
Thanks Barry
the wood,
etc...
Acoustics is hard but the approximations are easy, and *fairly* good.
John
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Barry Say
Sent: 10 February 2010 12:38
To: NSP group
Cc: Francis Wood; tim rolls BT
Subject: [
Thanks Barry.
Returning to the core topic of piping, do similar principles apply in human
behaviour terms?
In NPS Committee meetings for instance, if you double the evident tension in
the meetings does this result in a proportionate decrease the frequency of
meetings?
Similarly if you double
Francis Wood wrote:
Also is pitch purely dependent on tension?
The danger with such a question is that one might receive a full and
comprehensive answer, which in such cases is usually to be regretted!
This is one case where I think the answer is simpler than one might expect.
Quoting f
I have a smallish fiddle with a neck very similar to what is seen on
"baroque" instruments. I have beenold >by a luthier friend, however, that
it probably doesn't even predate 1900.
I don't think makers and players have ever been all that conscientious
about fitting in with the history >books
On 10 Feb 2010, at 10:42, tim rolls BT wrote:
> However, what about the rest of my questions?
Hi Tim
Your other questions . . .
> Am I right in thinking that before 1920ish and the current standardised
> concert pitch at "G" that many instruments' G was lower anyway, which would
> have led t
>the correct
>term for a fiddle of this age or construction. Any other info
>gratefully
>received.
>Has anyone else heard of a fiddle maker named Coulson from Stamfordham
>
>However, what about the rest of my questions?
>
>tim
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>From: &qu
>> This is interesting to me as I have an unreconstructed
>baroque violin from about 1820
>
>Sorry Tim, but it ain't baroque . .
True, this is very late to be referred to as baroque, but if it's
unreconstructed it's probably closer to the baroque setup than a real "modern"
violin. Maybe it w
a fiddle maker named Coulson from Stamfordham
However, what about the rest of my questions?
tim
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From: "Francis Wood"
To: "tim rolls BT"
Cc: "NSP group"
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other
On 10 Feb 2010, at 10:25, tim rolls BT wrote:
> This is interesting to me as I have an unreconstructed baroque violin from
> about 1820
Sorry Tim, but it ain't baroque . .
>
> Trouble is, if I tune down the baroque, which i prefer to play, I'll play the
> pipes less
Well, if it ain't baroq
ch i prefer to play, I'll play
the pipes less. Please don't let that affect the response of anyone who has
heard me play, fiddle or pipes!
Tim
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Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
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t;[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Di Jevons
>Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:44 AM
>To: phi...@gruar.clara.net; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; BIRCH
>Christopher (DGT)
>Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
>
>Hi there
>
>I play fiddle regularly with NSP at Alnw
me to get a lot
more out of the tuned-down fiddle than the Dominant strings which I
generally use on my 'normal' fiddle.
Di Jevons
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Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
String
Stringing of "baroque" violins is another can of worms since tension varied
widely according to local conventions and personal preferences. There is also
the question of equal tension versus progressive tension and whether wound
strings should be used for the G and/or D. It is, or at least used
Anthony is absolutely right about Willie Taylor's dislike of tuning down a
fiddle; the 'knicker-elastic' comment is one he used frequently.
When I'm playing duets with Andy's nsp, I always tune down. For me, I've
spent a long time trying to find the right fiddle and strings so it doesn't
sound li
Anthony Robb wrote:
Speaking of Willie T, thanks to Francis for directing me to the Mike
MacDougall material. The similarities between his story and Willie T's
were so eerie it brought me close to tears. Everything from the
distances travelled (less in Willie's case but then he walke
From John Dally 9th Feb:
There are not many fiddlers
around here who are interested in playing with NSP, or SSP for that
matter, but it would I like to find one who is willing to tune down
the way Willie Taylor did in order play with Joe Hutton.
Mmm...
Willie Taylor hated tu
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Matt Seattle
wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:03 PM, John Dally wrote:
> I've 'always' - since taking up guitar at age 13 - played with other
> instrumentalists.
Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought playing in duets with
other instruments is unusual. I
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:03 PM, John Dally <[1]dir...@gmail.com> wrote:
When playing with NSP in F do you tune your fiddle down or play in F
and C?
It doesn't happen often, and I don't retune the fiddle, just struggle
in F. When Chris used to occasionally play GHB in Border Dir
t Wagner, if that is one.
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of
Francis Wood
Sent: 08 February 2010 21:09
To: Paul Gretton
Cc: 'Richard York'; 'NSP group'
Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
On 7 Fe
On 7 Feb 2010, at 13:38, Paul Gretton wrote:
> Paul Gretton
> (who just this morning booked his tickets for the Cologne Opera's "Ring"
> next June.
Paul, could you report back on whether Siegfried ever does get his reed problem
fixed?
> Auf dem dummen Rohre
> gerät mir nichts. -
. . . . .
>
thanks, Matt!
When playing with NSP in F do you tune your fiddle down or play in F
and C? Have you heard Mick O'Brien and Caoimhin o Raghallaigh? I
think Caoimhin must tune his fiddle down to be in tune with Mick's
flat set. Perhaps what I like about these duets is the fiddle being
tuned down.
And apparently agony
Best wishes.
Steve
On 2/8/10 3:30 PM, "gibbonssoi...@aol.com" wrote:
>In a message dated 07/02/2010 13:39:07 GMT Standard Time,
>i...@gretton-willems.com writes:
>
> But did you know that a recent survey showed that 96.83%
> of people who say that t
In a message dated 07/02/2010 13:39:07 GMT Standard Time,
i...@gretton-willems.com writes:
But did you know that a recent survey showed that 96.83%
of people who say that they "don't like Wagner's operas" have never
actually
heard or attended one? ;-)
Cheers,
Pa
On 8 Feb 2010, at 12:20, Gibbons, John wrote:
> "some people love Wagner's Operas and I
> don't, despite a classical musical education"
>
> 'Because of', surely??
Quite.
Nobody mentions the medical risks of these things either. Surely deep vein
thrombosis is a significant one.
Francis
: rosspi...@aol.com; NSP group
Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments
And there's also the great mix of Andy May's pipes & Sophie Ball's
fiddle on his Happy Hours CD. Smashing.
(Official Disclaimer: the terms, "Great mix" and "smashing" here
re
On 8 Feb 2010, Bill Telfer wrote:
> This type of duet (and playing in a small band), though hard work is for me
> one of the most satisfying ways to use the pipes.
Hear, hear. Both all pipes, and pipes / fiddle.
I looked up in the society records, and the first mention of a pipes / fiddle
du
As Matt has said pipes/fiddle duets (and combinations of pipe/fiddle with
other instruments) are
''not at all unusual '' and the various people mentioned especially the High
Level Ranters as Colin R has pointed out pioneered in this.
I have played duets (and in bands) with a fiddler (Peter Fren
>fidola (which I
>think - is a fiddle tuned like a viola, i.e. a
>fifth lower).
Given that the size of the viola has not been standardised (unlike that of the
violin - body length tends to be around 360 mm, with extremes at 354 and 362) ,
why not just call it a small viola?
c
To get on or
Haven't tried cyanide, but did "do" Wagner with passionate Wagner-phile
'A' level Music teacher many years ago.
Sorry, Paul, it was as a result of that I got to dislike them... but
hope you enjoy The Ring Cycle!
Best wishes and apologies to all for another OT excursion!
Richard.
On 7 Feb 2010, at 13:38, Paul Gretton wrote:
> Nice one, Richard. But did you know that a recent survey showed that 96.83%
> of people who say that they "don't like Wagner's operas" have never actually
> heard or attended one? ;-)
Actually I don't like cyanide.
Never tried it though, I must adm
>>>(Official Disclaimer: the terms, "Great mix" and "smashing" here
>>>represent expressions of personally held opinions of musical taste, for
>>>which I alone am responsible, and with which others may find they wish to
>>>disagree.
>>>This is their right, just as some people love Wagner's Operas
And there's also the great mix of Andy May's pipes & Sophie Ball's
fiddle on his Happy Hours CD. Smashing.
(Official Disclaimer: the terms, "Great mix" and "smashing" here
represent expressions of personally held opinions of musical taste, for
which I alone am responsible, and with which othe
The High Level Ranters were based on the mix of fiddle and pipes that I
had discovered with Forster Charlton in the lat 1950's.
Colin R
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From: John Dally
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:45
Subject: [NSP] NSP duet with other instruments
I've been li
Hi John, Steve and all,
Would you say that this conforms to the limits of the list?
Hopefully,
Sheila
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From: bri...@aol.com
To: dir...@gmail.com
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: [NSP] NSP duet with other instruments
Hi John,
Yes, as Matt commented
I play my D NSP set with a fiddler quite a bit, as well as with a mandolin
player, and as long as you have the key sig discussion before you start,
everything will go fine.
Depending on the fiddler and the liveliness of the room you are playing in,
there can be some volume issues sometimes, bu
I play fiddle on a regular basis with Chris Ormston playing G NSPs,
mainly for dances with Border Directors. We also play A Border pipes
together. Before us, High Level Ranters, Joe Hutton and the Wills
played NSP and fiddle, it's not at all unusual - Margaret and Andy
Watchorn, K &
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