Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Matthias Weber
For a while I thought it doesn't make sense for me to add to this thread, but there appears to be a complete ignorance among many power ConTeXt users about "abnormal" ways to use ConTeXt, and maybe even computers. I believe that there are keyboard people and mouse people. I myself am mostly

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Charles P. Schaum
On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 01:05 +0200, Diego Depaoli wrote: > Furthermore let me doubt that a simplified installation it's enough to > persuade new users since ConTeXt requires manuals reading which is > universally considered a waste of time. In many cases, the nouveau Linux culture or Win/Mac users

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Diego Depaoli
2008/6/14 Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > That's not a general solution, but if you need it for yourself, you > can put the following to some file and execute it whenever you want: > > rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/current/context/beta/ > /path/to/your/texmf/ > rsync -av rsync

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Charles P. Schaum
What could perhaps occur is this: Get PC-BSD's PBI technology working with something like DarwinPorts or whatever BSD ports tree exists for the Mac. IIRC, they now have a relatively automated way of getting from ports to PBI's. But you would need cooperation, legal protection or licensing for the

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2008-06-14 um 19:36 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz: > bundle that does just what you like is lilypond. A wonderful > typesetting application, all in one installer, not complex to install. > It has been broken on intel mac for half a year now. Nobody has the > knowledge or the time or the energy to fi

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jesse Alama wrote: > "Thomas A. Schmitz" writes: > > The basis for my own comments in this thread do not lie in a preference > for graphical tools, but rather for a straightforward way to stay > up-to-date with the whole of ConTeXt in a way that ctxtools does not >

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Jun 14, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Andrea Valle wrote: > Thomas, I do not know what Oliver is actually doing. > But just 2c: > - suppose you have a ConTeXt distro (the minimal) inside a mac app. > At the end a mac app is typically a folder containing different > programs/libraries etc > - suppose y

Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

2008-06-14 Thread Olivier Guéry
Hello, I'm a clarinetist, I used lilypond, realy great tool. I'm using linux since 10 years, vim is my editor. I'm not a mouse-adict user. But as Donal Knuth seems to say : I can't act like mathematician, it's not what I am. Il like lilypond, and Contex. I like the may they manage to produce beau

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Jesse Alama
"Thomas A. Schmitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 14, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Oliver Buerschaper wrote: > >> Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to >> properly interact with TeX is via the command line. >> >> Counter example: in Mac application development your IDE of

Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: (scientific) poster

2008-06-14 Thread John Culleton
On Friday 13 June 2008 09:52:13 am Andrea Valle wrote: > Concerning posters (at least that "graphic" category of posters): > > If you have to move a graphic element by hand in search of fine > tuning (which is optical in design, helas, not computational) the > only way in batch-processing based sw

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Oliver Buerschaper
> Who said that "the only way to properly interact with TeX is via the > command line"? What I said is: you can provide all the GUI tools you > want, at some point (and this will be rather sooner than later) > problems will crop up, and these problems will be impossible to > resolve if you don't wa

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Andrea Valle
What I said is: you can provide all the GUI tools you want, at some point (and this will be rather sooner than later) problems will crop up, and these problems will be impossible to resolve if you don't want to use the command line, don't want to learn about PATH settings, don't want to learn abou

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread John Culleton
On Saturday 14 June 2008 07:07:53 am Oliver Buerschaper wrote: > Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to > properly interact with TeX is via the command line. > The amount of interaction with TeX in any form is minimal. If it runs to completion fine, if it stalls one

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Andrea Valle
Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to properly interact with TeX is via the command line. In fact you gain a lot when trying to track down a problem ... Furthermore, in my humble opinion interaction with TeX should concentrate on programming the actual typesetti

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Jun 14, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Oliver Buerschaper wrote: > Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to > properly interact with TeX is via the command line. > > Counter example: in Mac application development your IDE of choice > will almost certainly be Xcode. Although it d

Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)

2008-06-14 Thread John Culleton
On Saturday 14 June 2008 03:40:58 am Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Alan Stone wrote: > > Wow... this is a good one: > > > > Linux Distribution chooser: answer some questions and there you > > go... http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ > > > > Results were *very* close to your suggestions. > > That was fun!

Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-14 Thread Oliver Buerschaper
>> If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running >> ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the >> solution than ever. >> :-( >> >> Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell >> (AKA >> command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). >> >>

Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)

2008-06-14 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne sobota 14. junija 2008 je luigi scarso napisal(a): > >> Linux Distribution chooser: answer some questions and there you go... > >> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ > >> > >> Results were *very* close to your suggestions. > > > > That was fun! It actually proposed the distro I'm using (Mandriv

Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)

2008-06-14 Thread luigi scarso
>> Linux Distribution chooser: answer some questions and there you go... >> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ >> >> Results were *very* close to your suggestions. > > That was fun! It actually proposed the distro I'm using (Mandriva). Even for me (I'm using ubuntu) -- luigi _

Re: [NTG-context] Roll-Your-Own Stand-Alone (Was re. ConTeXt ultraminimals)

2008-06-14 Thread Hans Hagen
Yue Wang wrote: > BTW, Hans, why do LuaTeX still needs type1 format of LM fonts? please > check type-ini.tex. fonts like rm-lmr* can be substitude by opentype > format instead. Only math typefaces of the type1 font is needed now. > Maybe this is because the LuaTeX math mode support? it uses the l

Re: [NTG-context] Format does not match the base files

2008-06-14 Thread Hans Hagen
Bart C. Wise wrote: > Try: > texexec --make en just texexec --make or texexec --make en metafun - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hass

Re: [NTG-context] Roll-Your-Own Stand-Alone (Was re. ConTeXt ultraminimals)

2008-06-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Yue Wang wrote: > Hi. > >> Packaging ruby: you only unzip it and set the path. >> A stripped-down ruby: probably parsing (even if manually) ruby scripts >> from ConTeXt to determine which packages are needed, and delete the >> rest of the tree/ruby libraries :) >> >

Re: [NTG-context] Format does not match the base files

2008-06-14 Thread Bart C. Wise
Try: texexec --make en Bart On Friday 13 June 2008 7:54:57 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > After updating my system with rsync to get the latest binaries of > context I got this message: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> texexec --xtx greek_exp.tex > system : cont-new loaded > (/home/adsm/texmf

Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)

2008-06-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Alan Stone wrote: > Wow... this is a good one: > > Linux Distribution chooser: answer some questions and there you go... > http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ > > Results were *very* close to your suggestions. That was fun! It actually proposed the distro I'm using (Mandriva). _

Re: [NTG-context] Geeze, I might try Linux after all... (not too off-tpic I hope)

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Stone
Wow... this is a good one: Linux Distribution chooser: answer some questions and there you go... http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ Results were *very* close to your suggestions. Alan On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Alan Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks all for kindly posting your pr

Re: [NTG-context] Format does not match the base files

2008-06-14 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:54 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After updating my system with rsync to get the latest binaries of > context I got this message: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> texexec --xtx greek_exp.tex > system : cont-new loaded > (/home/adsm/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex >

Re: [NTG-context] Roll-Your-Own Stand-Alone (Was re. ConTeXt ultraminimals)

2008-06-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Yue Wang wrote: > > > BTW, Hans, why do LuaTeX still needs type1 format of LM fonts? please > check type-ini.tex. fonts like rm-lmr* can be substitude by opentype > format instead. Only math typefaces of the type1 font is needed now. rm-lm* actually are math fonts. The TFM metrics contain inform

Re: [NTG-context] Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode

2008-06-14 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
Hi Khaled, On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:52:27 -0600, Khaled Hosny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: experimental in the beta \setcharactermirroring[1] It does work perfectly with unidirectional texts (RTL or LTR), but when mixing bi-directional text, like Arabic text between brackets inside English li