One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He's
trying to install a keylogger on his company laptop so he can get access to
her email (she uses his company-provided laptop at home) and prove she's
been cheating. Obviously Vipre doesn't want to let him install it, but I
overr
Personally I wouldn't have done it. That is not work related at all...and
there might be legal or HR issues with that.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:
> One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He’s
> trying to install a keylogger on his company la
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Subject: Ethics issue
One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He's
trying to install a keylogger on his company laptop so he can get access
to her email (she uses his company-provided laptop at home) and prove
she's been cheating. Obviously Vipre doesn&#x
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From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Ethics issue
Why would you get involved in something like that ?
CFee
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Ethics issue
One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He's trying
to inst
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From: John Aldrich
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: Ethics issue
One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He's
trying to install a keylogger on his company laptop so
I would not have done that. For one, that is a company supplied laptop. She
has no business using, period! Two, instead of a keylogger why didn't you
just look at the IE Cache folder? Anything she was accessing would be there,
graphics, too. You could have copied this off to a CD for future referen
I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, etc
However, I suspect that if
a) she discovers the invasion
b) and decides to pursue legally
then
c) you have exposed the company as a participant to the invasion of privacy
YMMV
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:15 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:
> One of my users i
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Why would you get involved in something like that ?
CFee
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Ethics issue
One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his
Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
I would not have done that. For one, that is a company supplied laptop. She has
no business using, period! Two, instead of a keylogger why didn't you just look
at the IE Cache folder? Anything she was accessing would be there, graphics,
too. You could
Same here.. Not your problem.
Last thing you want to happen is be dragged into court over something like
this.
From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
Personally I wouldn't have do
ease uninstall that, it's against company policy, and
if you won't, I'll to take this matter to your boss/HR/whatever."
Carl
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Ethics issue
Then his lawyer can get a subpoena from the court.
Do not do a lawyers work.. unless you charge $350 per hour ;-)
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Well, he says his
, April 15, 2010 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Wow... so much possible commentary, so little time...
In the middle of a nasty divorce, and she still has easy access to his
company-provided laptop for E-mail? Hmm...
And she's stupid enough to write scandal
is company
laptop. The CFO agreed for pretty much the same reason you did. J
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From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV
ter to
the internet wirelessly. J
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From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Wow... so much possible commentary, so little time...
In the middle of a nasty divorc
: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Then his lawyer can get a subpoena from the court.
Do not do a lawyers work.. unless you charge $350 per hour ;-)
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin
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> *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:26 PM
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Hmm… $350/hour…that’s about 10x what I charge for PC work. ☺ I think I may have
to see if I can find out who his lawyer is and offer to help…for about 3 times
my normal rate. ☺
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From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15
activity to happen. I
would remove it instantly and tell him that it is a personal issue and he will
have to do that on his own.
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Well, he says his
same reason you did. J
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> *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com]
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Agreed, even this post contains TMIFrom: Jonathan Link To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:46:53 PMSubject: Re: Ethics issue
Any assistance you provide in this matter could come back and bite...HARD. Just stay away.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, John Aldrich <ja
Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Yup. Carl is right. Talk to HR and Management, there are possible legal
repercussions.
Warm regards,
Stu Sjouwerman
Co-Founder, Publisher, Su
System Admin Issues
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
Well, he says his lawyer wants access to her email and it’s easier/cheaper
than getting a subpoena. I’ll check with management and see what they want to
do.
From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod
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> *From:* Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
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>> *From:* Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
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From: Orland, Kathleen [mailto:korl...@rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
His lawyer should not be communicating to you or anyone else in the company via
him.
Kathleen Orland
Please support me in my efforts: SPCA
, April 15, 2010 3:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
There are times when it is far more helpful NOT to help someone.
Especially not the way they want to be helped.
This is one of those times.
You need to be as far from this train wreck as is humanly possible,
+ 10 million. Separation of church and state, so to speak.
From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
Personally I wouldn't have done it. That is not work related at all...and
there might be leg
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> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:00 PM
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From: Orland, Kathleen [mailto:korl...@rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
His lawyer should not be communicating to you or anyone else in the company via
him.
Kathleen Orland
Please
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:15, John Aldrich
wrote:
>
> One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He’s
> trying to install
> a keylogger on his company laptop so he can get access to her email (she uses
> his
> company-provided laptop at home) and prove she’s been cheatin
I can read into this that you are well aware that you just did something
highly unethical.
--
ME2
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:15 AM, John Aldrich wrote:
> One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He’s
> trying to install a keylogger on his company laptop so he can get
I would request my management call the police if I witnessed an attempted
illegal act. Installing a key logger on company assets? Fired.
Because the 'lawyer' didn't want to go through the expense of a getting it
legally? I'd go talk to a lawyer just long enough to know what my legal
exposure was
[mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
+ 10 million. Separation of church and state, so to speak.
From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject
dward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
I also agree, absolutely not, do not install a Keystroke logger or assist in
any way on this. But if its your company laptop, and this is disallowed via
policy ( Elect
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From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we can't allow
it and to let the user k
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> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Ethics issue
>
> I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we
> ca
Not all list members are in the US or the same time zones as we Yanks are.
Give others time to catch up.
Webster
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it differently.
Great. Maybe it was a
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ethics issue
I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we can't allow
it and to let the user know, which I did. Then I referred him to NewEgg for a
wireless card for his home PC and w
Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com]
> *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue
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> Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it differently.
> Great. Maybe it was a friend of his he was trying to help. Who knows. He
> got a lot of good feedback. Can we let it go now
*From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com
<mailto:er...@forestpost.com>]
*Subject:* Re: Ethics issue
Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it
differently. Great. Maybe it was a friend of his he was trying to
help. Who knows.
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> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 16 April 2010 11:24 PM
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> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Ethics issue
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> I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised m
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>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Webster > carlwebs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>Not all list members are in the US or the same time zones as we
>>Yanks are. Give others time to catch up.
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>>Webster
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Just a note that the software in question was NOT installed. Vipre would not
allow it. J
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From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ethics issue
Not defending the lack
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