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[mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue + 10 million. Separation of church and state, so to speak. From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject

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[mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue I also agree, absolutely not, do not install a Keystroke logger or assist in any way on this. But if its your company laptop, and this is disallowed via policy ( Electronic

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) www.avanade.com/auhttp://www.avanade.com/au From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we can't allow it and to let the user

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[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we can’t allow it and to let the user know, which I did. Then I referred him to NewEgg for a wireless

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Not all list members are in the US or the same time zones as we Yanks are. Give others time to catch up. Webster From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] Subject: Re: Ethics issue Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it differently. Great. Maybe

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...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we can't allow it and to let the user know, which I did. Then I referred him to NewEgg for a wireless card for his home PC and whatever he

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...@forestpost.com] *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it differently. Great. Maybe it was a friend of his he was trying to help. Who knows. He got a lot of good feedback. Can we let it go now? -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced

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*From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com mailto:er...@forestpost.com] *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it differently. Great. Maybe it was a friend of his he was trying to help. Who knows. He got

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] *Sent:* Friday, 16 April 2010 11:24 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Ethics issue I advised my direct supervisor, who is the CFO and he advised me we can’t allow it and to let the user know, which I did. Then I referred him to NewEgg for a wireless card for his home PC

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or the same time zones as we Yanks are. Give others time to catch up. Webster *From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com mailto:er...@forestpost.com] *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue Guys, I think he gets it. You guys would have handled it differently. Great

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Just a note that the software in question was NOT installed. Vipre would not allow it. J John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue Not defending the lack

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Personally I wouldn't have done it. That is not work related at all...and there might be legal or HR issues with that. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He’s trying to install a

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Uninstall. If they are divorcing don't allow her on it anymore, period. Prove the cheating on his own time with his equipment. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues

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If you are questioning your decision, I think deep down you already know the answer. If that could (and I'm not saying it would) be considered an illegal wiretap...who enabled it? Jim Jim Holmgren Manager of Server Engineering XLHealth Corporation The Warehouse at Camden Yards

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Why would you get involved in something like that ? CFee From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ethics issue One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He's trying to install a

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1) He shouldn't be allowing ANYONE to use his company-provided laptop 2) His divorce has nothing to do with work 3) Accessing her email is an invasion of privacy Kathleen Orland Please support me in my efforts: SPCA Friends for Life 2010 Walk-A-Thon

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I would not have done that. For one, that is a company supplied laptop. She has no business using, period! Two, instead of a keylogger why didn't you just look at the IE Cache folder? Anything she was accessing would be there, graphics, too. You could have copied this off to a CD for future

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I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, etc However, I suspect that if a) she discovers the invasion b) and decides to pursue legally then c) you have exposed the company as a participant to the invasion of privacy YMMV On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:15 PM, John Aldrich

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: RE: Ethics issue Why would you get involved in something like that ? CFee From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ethics issue One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife

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Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue I would not have done that. For one, that is a company supplied laptop. She has no business using, period! Two, instead of a keylogger why didn't you just look at the IE Cache folder? Anything she was accessing would be there, graphics, too. You could have

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Then his lawyer can get a subpoena from the court. Do not do a lawyers work.. unless you charge $350 per hour ;-) From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue Well, he says his

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, April 15, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue Wow... so much possible commentary, so little time... In the middle of a nasty divorce, and she still has easy access to his company-provided laptop for E-mail? Hmm... And she's stupid enough to write scandalous e

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laptop. The CFO agreed for pretty much the same reason you did. J John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, etc However, I

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to the internet wirelessly. J John-AldrichTile-Tools From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue Wow... so much possible commentary, so little time... In the middle of a nasty divorce, and she

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To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue Then his lawyer can get a subpoena from the court. Do not do a lawyers work.. unless you charge $350 per hour ;-) From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin

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] *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, etc However, I suspect that if a) she discovers the invasion b) and decides to pursue legally

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: RE: Ethics issue Hmm… $350/hour…that’s about 10x what I charge for PC work. ☺ I think I may have to see if I can find out who his lawyer is and offer to help…for about 3 times my normal rate. ☺ [John-Aldrich][Tile-Tools] From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15

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the activity to happen. I would remove it instantly and tell him that it is a personal issue and he will have to do that on his own. From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue Well, he says his

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the same reason you did. J [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, etc However, I suspect

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Agreed, even this post contains TMIFrom: Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSent: Thu, April 15, 2010 2:46:53 PMSubject: Re: Ethics issue Any assistance you provide in this matter could come back and bite...HARD. Just stay away

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...@sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Ethics issue Yup. Carl is right. Talk to HR and Management, there are possible legal repercussions. Warm regards, Stu Sjouwerman Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media P: +1-727-562-0101

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System Admin Issues Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: RE: Ethics issue Well, he says his lawyer wants access to her email and it’s easier/cheaper than getting a subpoena. I’ll check with management and see what they want to do. From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod

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to help…for about 3 times my normal rate. J [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:30 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Ethics issue Then his lawyer can get a subpoena from the court

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Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Ethics issue Then his lawyer can get a subpoena from the court. Do not do a lawyers work.. unless you charge $350 per hour ;-) *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:29 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues

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-Tools From: Orland, Kathleen [mailto:korl...@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue His lawyer should not be communicating to you or anyone else in the company via him. Kathleen Orland Please support me in my efforts: SPCA

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, 2010 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue There are times when it is far more helpful NOT to help someone. Especially not the way they want to be helped. This is one of those times. You need to be as far from this train wreck as is humanly possible, unless you

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+ 10 million. Separation of church and state, so to speak. From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue Personally I wouldn't have done it. That is not work related at all...and there might be legal

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to it. [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools] *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:00 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Ethics issue There are times when it is far more helpful NOT to help someone. Especially not the way they want

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[cid:image001.png@01CADC96.74037830] From: Orland, Kathleen [mailto:korl...@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ethics issue His lawyer should not be communicating to you or anyone else in the company via him. Kathleen Orland Please

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:15, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He’s trying to install a keylogger on his company laptop so he can get access to her email (she uses his company-provided laptop at home) and

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I can read into this that you are well aware that you just did something highly unethical. -- ME2 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:15 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: One of my users is in the middle of a nasty divorce with his wife. He’s trying to install a keylogger on his

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I would request my management call the police if I witnessed an attempted illegal act. Installing a key logger on company assets? Fired. Because the 'lawyer' didn't want to go through the expense of a getting it legally? I'd go talk to a lawyer just long enough to know what my legal exposure