*From:* Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:18 PM
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> From John’s response on Wednesday the 13th:
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> There’s “Always wait for
r tricks.
I’ll definitely post an update to the list as soon as I come up with something.
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Hey John – any luck?
Jo
ost an update to the list as soon as I come up with something.
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Hey John - any luck?
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Te
taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
It's hard to keep up with the information flow. Heck, I missed Carl's
suggestion that I disable the wired interfaces. Thank goodness he repeated
himsel
It's here! It's here!
From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Nope one more day, sorry.
Jon
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eag
, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA*
> *jra...@eaglemds.com*
> *www.eaglemds.com
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> *From:* Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:18 PM
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> *To:* NT
Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Portfast is a spanning tree feature; it refers to how quickly a switch port
will move from the learning state to the forwarding
John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
It's hard to keep up with the information flow. Heck, I missed Carl's
suggestion that I disable the wired inte
: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Portfast is a spanning tree feature; it refers to how quickly a switch
port will move from the learning state to the forwarding state.
Portfast enabled -> plug the cable in, the port is immediately in the
forwarding state, but you run the risk o
Portfast is a spanning tree feature; it refers to how quickly a switch
port will move from the learning state to the forwarding state.
Portfast enabled -> plug the cable in, the port is immediately in the
forwarding state, but you run the risk of brief ethernet loops.
Portfast disabled -> plug th
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 2:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
According to the documentation for that setting, not configuring it at all
causes the default setting of 30 seconds to
That's what the documentation says, but the documentation ran contrary
to my experience.
On 10/14/2010 1:06 PM, John Hornbuckle wrote:
> According to the documentation for that setting, not configuring it
> at all causes the default setting of 30 seconds to use. So if you
> enable the setting and
tsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I've had a similar problem with some of our Windows 7 machines - the machine
comes up faster than the network connection, and software installatio
010 12:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Yeah, I obviously missed that too.
So much for trying to be helpful.
Is it Friday yet?
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglem
-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I've had a similar problem with some of our Windows 7 machines - the
machine comes up faster than the netw
I've had a similar problem with some of our Windows 7 machines - the
machine comes up faster than the network connection, and software
installation policies weren't taking affect due to the missing network
connectivity. The machine in question is a desktop connected via
gigabit, but the symptoms ar
mds.com/>
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
>From John's response on Wednesday the 13th:
There's "Always wait for the network at computer s
om: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Yeah, I just don't know what to do about it.
The NICs are Broadcom, built into the machines (these are iMacs running Vista
Oh, wow... I missed that, Carl! Let me give that a shot.
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Did you disable the wired adapter as I previously suggested?
If
hn.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Yeah, I just don't know what to do about it.
The NICs are Broadcom, built into the machines (these are iMacs running
Vista via Boot Camp)
doing Active Directory stuff?
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Well, to be fair, it is really a wireless AND an OS issue. The OS is loading
too quickly fo
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From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I should've
l.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Yeah, but you won't say how much money until you get the results, will you? :)
If wireless is working well enough to use the computer and do other domain
kinds of
ot;) starts prior
to login.
Carl
From: Mike Gill [mailto:lis...@canbyfoursquare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I was of the understanding that you have to use 802.1x machine based
authentica
RSAT to connect to my Win2K3 DC.
--
Mike Gill
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I'm 99.9% sure this is a wireless issue, but will get
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> Carl
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> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:47 PM
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> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
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> Yeah, I’ve done the force. Half a dozen
x27;s?
Carl
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I'm 99.9% sure this is a wireless issue, but will get that additional .01%
assurance shortly.
D'oh!
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Then you will be 99.91% sure!
Webster
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Subject: RE:
Then you will be 99.91% sure!
Webster
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
I'm 99.9% sure this is a wireless issue, but will get that additional .01%
assurance shortly. I have a technician plugging o
13, 2010 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
All things considered, you appear to have a group policy problem unrelated to
the wireless, something easily proven by taking a problem machine and
connecting it wired. The info you've posted about
e event ID description text may also be useful. Good luck.
Carl
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Yeah, I've done the force. Half a dozen
ensibly because clearly
there's something different between the one that worked and the ones that
didn't, but I have no clue what.
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over
gpupdate /force
Also eventid.net is your friend.
Carl
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Gpresult /v shows something odd. Below is an
nticated Users
This Organization
TCHS-115-S02$
FCS Computers
TCHS Admin Policy Computers
Domain Computers
System Mandatory Level
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
The wireless NICs are Broadcom, though, in this case.
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Good point, but I've experienced the same symptoms
ocessing across a slow network connection" option.
We'll see what happens.
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Software Installation will not happen over wh
is why the machines don't show the proper group membership. At
the very least, I'd have thought that would've worked.
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy P
What are you using for a wireless supplicant (program that configures the
SSID etc.)? Windows WZC or something specific to the wireless? Whichever
one you are using, turn it off and try the other.
Also download and install the latest wireless NIC drivers.
All else being OK, generally the
Just tried-no difference.
From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Yes, that is truebut if the network isn't fully operational and the user
logs in, sof
I never taught a 2003 AD class but that issue is covered in the 2008/R2 AD
class in the GPO Modules.
Webster
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Good point, but I've experienced the same symptoms
_
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Software Installation will not happen over what GP determines is a Slow Link on
2008 and R2. So turn off Slow
...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:46 AM
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> *Subject:* RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
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> The policy for installing the software is a computer policy, not a user
> policy—so it should be happening be
.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
The policy for installing the software is a computer policy, not a user
po
Software Installation will not happen over what GP determines is a Slow Link
on 2008 and R2. So turn off Slow Link detection and see if that helps.
Webster
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Subject: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Short version:
I
t for the network at computer startup and logon,” but
> I’ve already got that enabled.
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> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:37 AM
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to have given up on processing computer policies at that point.
From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
Does logging in twice initiate the software install, or not?
On
gt;
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> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:37 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Group Policy Problems Over Wireless
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> isn't there a "wait for the network to i
There's "Always wait for the network at computer startup and
logon," but I've already got that enabled.
John
From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Problems
Think it is something like this
*Always wait for the network at computer startup and logon*
*Administrative Template:* System *Policy Node:* MACHINE *Policy
Path:* Administrative
Templates\System\Logon
On 13 October 2010 15:37, James Rankin wrote:
> isn't there a "wait for the network to i
isn't there a "wait for the network to initialize" GPO setting that you can
put down so that it won't try to install software until the network is fully
operational?
I can't get into GPMC at the moment to confirm - keeps crashing cos of the
Wyse Device Manager snap-in. Grrr
On 13 October 2010 15:
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