Re: iSCSI with HP/Brocade switches

addicted to Cisco. Have not purchased the switches yet. Just thought I'd share. On 11/17/2012 1:27 AM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: Jumbos on <10GBe can actually slow things down, but everybody things jumbo==sounds good therefor must be. There are a few technical reasons why it doesn't impr

RE: iSCSI with HP/Brocade switches

Jumbos on <10GBe can actually slow things down, but everybody things jumbo==sounds good therefor must be. There are a few technical reasons why it doesn't improve generally at those speeds. Some switches need certain characteristics disabled for that type of traffic. Call HP, its free f

RE: iSCSI with HP/Brocade switches

Check the QOS settings on the switches. They should be set to give maximum priority to the iSCSI traffic. Some switches have a "lossless" setting that provides the most buffering for your packets. Also check the frame size, and make sure it matches from end to end. That is, if any

iSCSI with HP/Brocade switches

Hey List. I have our new Dell/Equalogic vSphere cluster up and running, but we have been having some issues as of late with latency on switch side of the equation. When we set up the cluster, we decided to use a pair of HP 2910al-24G switches. These were not the switches recommended by our

RE: Time for new core switches

And we are moving away from them. Lack of reliability, their cost/port density value is dropping, and they've given us some bad info to make a sale (S-Series switches can run all ports at line rate... oh.. whoops... no they can't). -sc From: Derek Harris [mailto:dhar...@panoram

RE: Time for new core switches

:dhar...@panoramaortho.com] Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 4:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Time for new core switches I've been running Enterasys switches exclusively for several years and am very happy with them http://www.enterasys.com/. Before that, I've had Cisco, 3Com, & D

RE: Time for new core switches

I’ve been running Enterasys switches exclusively for several years and am very happy with them http://www.enterasys.com/. Before that, I’ve had Cisco, 3Com, & Dell. One cool thing about Enterasys is that the default configs make sense, like the default QOS settings. From: Steven M. Cae

Re: Time for new core switches

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Tom Miller wrote: > My core switch bank is a series of 3COM (HP) 1GIG managed switches.  They've > worked very well.  I don't think the exact model is made anymore, so I > cannot add to the current bank. Call HP. See if they offer a specific

Re: Time for new core switches

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Kat Aylward Langan wrote: > Have you checked out the products from Extreme Networks?  We just showed at > Interop and won a bunch of awards, and have also compared VERY favorably to > many of the more well known vendors. Plus they're that cool purple color. ;-)

RE: Time for new core switches

Big fan of exchange here as well. We're looking to upgrade, so we might have a BlackDiamond 8810 for sale soon :) From: Kat Aylward Langan [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Time for new core switches Have you ch

Re: Time for new core switches

*From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:31 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Time for new core switches > > ** ** > > Hi Folks, > > > > My core switch bank is a series of 3COM (HP) 1GIG managed switches. &

Re: Time for new core switches

I have the same set of switches here and they have been rock solid for over 7 years. I plan on moving forward next year and have been looking at HP and Force10. It's really hard to beat the lifetime warranty of HP, it's come in handy more than one since the HP purchase of 3com. On T

Re: Time for new core switches

e for this switch? (Layer 3 routing, Fiber uplinks, etc.) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:30:46 -0700 Subject: Time for ne

Re: Time for new core switches

: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:30:46 -0700 Subject: Time for new core switches > Hi Folks, > > My core switch bank is a series of 3COM (HP) 1GIG managed switches. They've >

RE: Time for new core switches

31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Time for new core switches Hi Folks, My core switch bank is a series of 3COM (HP) 1GIG managed switches. They've worked very well. I don't think the exact model is made anymore, so I cannot add to the current bank. Looking at my options,

Time for new core switches

Hi Folks, My core switch bank is a series of 3COM (HP) 1GIG managed switches. They've worked very well. I don't think the exact model is made anymore, so I cannot add to the current bank. Looking at my options, what speeds are you now using for your core switches: 1 GB, 10

Re: Utility that shows known available command line switches for an installer app

Perhaps the sysinternals strings utility? Heh. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:06, Micheal Espinola Jr wrote: > I'm looking for a utility that reads an installer and will tell you what > command-line switches are available for it based on the installer-type it > recognizes. > > I

Re: syslog on procurve switches

com wrote: > I just setup a syslog server. > > When configuring syslog on my Procurve switches, I specify the IP address > of the syslog server with the "logging x.x.x.x" command.  Do people > normally issue a "logging facility x " command too?  If so, what do u

syslog on procurve switches

I just setup a syslog server. When configuring syslog on my Procurve switches, I specify the IP address of the syslog server with the "logging x.x.x.x" command. Do people normally issue a "logging facility x " command too? If so, what do use use for the level? User,

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

Look at Avaya switches. They have the 5600 series that is gig capable, with good density. There's a campus management platform, the switches support POE, and the CLI is logical and well thought out, and Crisco experience transfers with little adaptation required. From: Paul Hutc

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

P,Security +,Network+ From: paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Juniper Networks Switches? Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:04:04 + OK well it's been a while, but a bit of a bump here as we're getting close to having to decide which way t

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

opinions would be appreciated. From: Ben N [bennordlan...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2011 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? I love JUNOS. just learned it about a year ago with the SRX Firewalls and the EX 4200 switches (i

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Bob Hartung wrote: > I agree that there's much that can be done dealing with the vendor to > fix this specific problem but I'd still be interested in hearing > opinions on Dell switches. Last I priced them, the Dell stock warranty wa

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

We've had a few. They work. Tbh these days if buying switches my biggest "must have" is a vendor who is common enough that you're likely to find cli examples for things you may want to do. If you just want a reasonably simple switch to do reasonably simple things, ho

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

, Bob Hartung wrote: > ** > I agree that there's much that can be done dealing with the vendor to fix > this specific problem but I'd still be interested in hearing opinions on > Dell switches. > > -- > > Bob Hartung > Dir of I.T. > Wisco In

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

I agree that there's much that can be done dealing with the vendor to fix this specific problem but I'd still be interested in hearing opinions on Dell switches. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom Miller wrote: > But yes, I told the reseller of the error, and it's taking forever.  I'll > take blame, but I'm not cool with a simple return taking four month.  I > can't tell if this an HP or reseller issue, though. It's definitely a reseller issue. It ma

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

t;>> >> I agree with Ben.  I may have some issues with our reseller (usually bad >> quotes), CDW, but I've never had an issue with them refusing to issue an >> RMA. Switch-wise the only issue I had was when he quoted me a ProCurve and >> sent me a re-labe

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone using Dell switches Maybe he should know, and he might try and make it right. At the very least, you have nothing to lose by letting him know. And/or, if you're getting a new reseller see if you can get

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

issue I had was when he quoted me a ProCurve and > sent me a re-labeled 3com. > > > From: mailvor...@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:38:53 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Dell switches > > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > > > On Tue,

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

beled 3com. > From: mailvor...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:38:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: Anyone using Dell switches > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > > My reseller sent me the wrong model, an

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

te: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:38:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: Anyone using Dell switches > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > > My reseller sent me the wrong model, and months have gone by > > and HP is putting up a fuss a

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

+42 * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > > My reseller sent me the wrong model, and months have gone by > > and HP is

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > My reseller sent me the wrong model, and months have gone by > and HP is putting up a fuss about returning it ... Why is that your problem and not the reseller's? Our reseller sends us the wrong model, the reseller takes it back and sends

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

True. Ruckus Wireless. I'll see if they make switches. >>> Paul Hutchings 12/13/2011 10:25 AM >>> Who is your wireless kit from? Might make sense to try and buy from one vendor to avoid pass the parcel. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: 13 Dec

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

Who is your wireless kit from? Might make sense to try and buy from one vendor to avoid pass the parcel. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: 13 December 2011 14:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone using Dell switches Hi Folks, I need a some new switches to support a

RE: Anyone using Dell switches

I have lower-end Dell managed switches (PowerConnect 5224's and the like) at a few clients of mine and they have been fine, but they have 5yr warranty max so my latest switch purchases (replacing the last of ancient Linksys unmanaged switches) have been HP's. Dave From: Tom Miller [m

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

really in. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I need a some new switches to support a wireless architecture. I have > the HP 5500 series now (they were 3COM when I bought them, but HP now). > > I'm looking at Dell as an alternative. Del

Re: Anyone using Dell switches

Don't know if it makes a difference, but Dell has recently acquired Force 10, which makes switches as well. Can't tell you more than that, because I've not used either Dell or Force 10 switches, but perhaps someone on this list can speak to that. Kurt On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 06

Anyone using Dell switches

Hi Folks, I need a some new switches to support a wireless architecture. I have the HP 5500 series now (they were 3COM when I bought them, but HP now). I'm looking at Dell as an alternative. Dell can give me excellent pricing. HP's products are fine, but I have an issue

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

_ From: Crawford, Scott [crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: 28 October 2011 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Juniper Networks Switches? loving extreme here Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint On Oct 27, 2011 12:00 PM, Paul Hutchi

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

hem I guess... From: Ben N [bennordlan...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2011 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? I love JUNOS. just learned it about a year ago with the SRX Firewalls and the EX 4200 switches (i have 4 SRX and 12 E

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

I have an Extreme Network switch. I use it at one of my WAN offices. It was a real pain to get going compared to my old 3COM switches. I had to call support a few times since things I thought should be working by default I had to enable. But, once I got it working, no problems at all. Tom

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

niper Networks Switches? I love JUNOS. just learned it about a year ago with the SRX Firewalls and the EX 4200 switches (i have 4 SRX and 12 EX4200). it is a joy to use after using Cisco IOS for sooo many years. The web GUI is slow, but the CLI is super fun to use. There isn't a huge differe

Re: Juniper Networks Switches?

Firewalls and the EX 4200 switches (i have 4 SRX and 12 EX4200). it is a joy to use after using Cisco IOS for sooo many years. The web GUI is slow, but the CLI is super fun to use. There isn't a huge difference either between FW and SW like there is with Cisco IOS for ASA and SW. On Wed, O

Re: Juniper Networks Switches?

I love JUNOS. just learned it about a year ago with the SRX Firewalls and the EX 4200 switches (i have 4 SRX and 12 EX4200). it is a joy to use after using Cisco IOS for sooo many years. The web GUI is slow, but the CLI is super fun to use. There isn't a huge difference either between FW a

Re: Juniper Networks Switches?

t:* Re: Juniper Networks Switches? Please let me know what you think after a little hands on. I love working with the Junos cli. Commits instead of direct edits, automated rollback if you don't confirm commits and so on. And like any stacked product, you manage it as one switch. 38 physical sw

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

(and others who may not have a day to day reason to care about a cli) easier I'm all for it. Paul From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 October 2011 19:28 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? Please let me know what you think after a lit

Re: Juniper Networks Switches?

Please let me know what you think after a little hands on. I love working with the Junos cli. Commits instead of direct edits, automated rollback if you don't confirm commits and so on. And like any stacked product, you manage it as one switch. 38 physical switches here but only 6 stacks to m

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

gain, Paul From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 October 2011 22:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? Our whole network is basically a bunch of EX-4200's in various stacks. Smb, afp, nfs, iscsi, you name it. Except for voip. :) But the g

Re: Juniper Networks Switches?

l for voip. We're pleased with both the performance and features, which is at the higher end of access switches. Think Cisco 3750 if it means anything to you. We even do all our routing except for bgp peering in a pair of stacks using vrrp. I have no experience with EX2200, EX2500, EX3200 or EX

RE: Juniper Networks Switches?

om: Anders Blomgren [chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 October 2011 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? We use EX switches in a stacked configuration. Juniper calls it a Virtual Chassis. Our VoIP network is totally separate as its a hosted solution and the vendor woul

Re: Juniper Networks Switches?

We use EX switches in a stacked configuration. Juniper calls it a Virtual Chassis. Our VoIP network is totally separate as its a hosted solution and the vendor wouldn't commit to full responsibility if we put it on the same switches. That said, what do you want to know? -Anders Sent fr

Re: Favorite switches anyone

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > I need some small 1 GB POE switches here for a separate wireless network. > 12-16 ports per switch is all I need. HP ProCurve. Rock solid. Cost effective. Warrantied and supported forever. So far, ProCurve support has avoiding t

RE: Favorite switches anyone

We use (and I prefer) Cisco switches as well. For client switches, we are currently using the 3560's. Not sure if they have a sub-24 port version or not. -Original Message- From: Thomas Mullins [mailto:tsmull...@wise.k12.va.us] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:30 AM To: NT S

Re: Favorite switches anyone

Many years ago, before the cost of POE switches were sane, we purchased some Netgear FS726TP switches to power our POE IP Cameras. While Netgear is not HP or Cisco, I am happy to report that all 4 of these switches are still working without issue. Also, the lifetime warranty they offer isn&#

RE: Favorite switches anyone

We use AdTran switches for our POE needs. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -Original Message- From: Thomas Mullins

RE: Favorite switches anyone

We have some 8 port Cisco switches we have used in few cases. They have two port PoE. The model number is SD208P. Shane From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Favorite switches anyone Folks,   I need some

RE: Favorite switches anyone

Okay I'll call them. Oh wait, the main number is no longer in service! But I will stick with HP I guess. >>> "Scott Schneider" 10/3/2011 10:40 AM >>> +1 From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: October-03-11 10:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issu

RE: Favorite switches anyone

+1 From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: October-03-11 10:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Favorite switches anyone HP. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Tom Miller wrote: Folks, I need some small 1 GB POE switches here for a separate wireless network. 12-16

Re: Favorite switches anyone

HP. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Tom Miller wrote: > Folks, > > I need some small 1 GB POE switches here for a separate wireless network. > 12-16 ports per switch is all I need. > > Anyone have any favorites? I've used 3COM/HP here for years. But...I > trie

Favorite switches anyone

Folks, I need some small 1 GB POE switches here for a separate wireless network. 12-16 ports per switch is all I need. Anyone have any favorites? I've used 3COM/HP here for years. But...I tried to call HP for pre-sales support, and the 800 line on HP's web site is disconn

Switches restarted, now no XenServer virtual machines will load

For those of you running XenServer, have any of you had issues with virtual machines loading within XenCenter after your switches restart? After I restarted my core switch bank as part of planned maintenance, none of the virtual machines will start. I've seen this before and resolved it

Re: Desktop KVM switches

I've had good success with the inexpensive IO Gear KVMs available from CompUSA, TigerDirect, Egghead, etc. I have a four-port model I use at home. No power required for these. I also have a 4-port SwitchView with cables I can let you have for $25 plus shipping. It's sitting in my home storage c

RE: Desktop KVM switches

: Thursday, May 26, 2011 1:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Desktop KVM switches I have six or seven KVM switches, several in use. Haven't had any cables go bad. But I need one KVM good for not only two computers: a PC and a Mac, but for two monitors feeding each computer as well. I

RE: Desktop KVM switches

I have six or seven KVM switches, several in use. Haven't had any cables go bad. But I need one KVM good for not only two computers: a PC and a Mac, but for two monitors feeding each computer as well. I have several two computer KVMs, but they only feed one monitor. I have the computers s

RE: Desktop KVM switches

y old PS/2-only KVM. :D -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Desktop KVM switches Don't worry about the proprietary nature of the cables. Those are part of why those units funct

Re: Desktop KVM switches

ock.med.va.gov > [mailto:pettersen.mar...@little-rock.med.va.gov] > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:35 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Desktop KVM switches > > Check e-Bay for a used Cybex/AutoView Commander...if they still work they > are gdod, solid performers.  Cables are

RE: Desktop KVM switches

...@fiserv.com Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673 Fax: 610-233-0404 www.fiserv.com -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Desktop KVM switches Anyone got a recommendation for a desktop KVM

RE: Desktop KVM switches

ittle-rock.med.va.gov] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Desktop KVM switches Check e-Bay for a used Cybex/AutoView Commander...if they still work they are gdod, solid performers. Cables are the expensive option, but even then you can find them for under $10 a

Re: Desktop KVM switches

Check e-Bay for a used Cybex/AutoView Commander...if they still work they are gdod, solid performers. Cables are the expensive option, but even then you can find them for under $10 apiece... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~

Desktop KVM switches

Anyone got a recommendation for a desktop KVM? I'd prefer something that does both USB and PS/2, but I can live with PS/2-only. I've got an older PS/2-only Belkin, but I'm having problems where my two machines keep losing the scroll wheel on the mouse. :-( -- Thanks, John Aldrich Blueridge Ind

Re: OT: desktop network switches

like to retire out of this >> company. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 21:42, Andrew S. Baker wrote: >> > So, let me see if I get this straight:  After 9+ years, you aren't even >> > able >> > to put your own self-stated manda

Re: OT: desktop network switches

o put your own self-stated mandate into place for your own employer, yet > > you are railing against others for their alleged shortsightedness when > they > > might simply be in the very same plight as yourself?!? > > Wow. > > > > Previously, Kurt murmured... > &g

Re: OT: desktop network switches

-stated mandate into place for your own employer, yet > you are railing against others for their alleged shortsightedness when they > might simply be in the very same plight as yourself?!? > Wow. > > Previously, Kurt murmured... > > As I stated before, I have lots of experience w

RE: OT: desktop network switches

> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:09, Ben Schorr wrote: > > We've had similar experiences, though not quite that extreme, in > > manufacturing and warehousing environments, though. In one case > > running additional cable was going to require drilling through a concrete > wall and the staffers in the ne

Re: OT: desktop network switches

Wow. *Previously, Kurt murmured... * As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the past 9+ years at my position. If it costs even one hour of my time tracking these down for each incident (and it's usually more than that), the m

Re: OT: desktop network switches

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:09, Ben Schorr wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:54 >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches >> >> On Mo

RE: OT: desktop network switches

Including the need for the bulk of our work. Bottom line - right or wrong - there can be good uses for desktop switches given any of a myriad of constraints in place in any given situation. The entire argument is moot. Shauna Hensala From: james.h...@superamart.com.au To: ntsysadmin

RE: OT: desktop network switches

So the burdened rate argument doesn't fly. Whatever works for you, great. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches I'm salaried, and OT doe

Re: OT: desktop network switches

etty cut and dried. > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: >> >> I have backed up my words with real world examples. >> >> As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating >> layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the

RE: OT: desktop network switches

e to weigh the options. They're not all cut/dry. And I'm sure we all have horror stories, some of which we created ourselves. -Original Message- From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 3:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT:

Re: OT: desktop network switches

burdened rate. > They don't pay more for your insurance if you work 40 or 80 hours. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:49 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject:

Re: OT: desktop network switches

:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:49 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > > I have backed up my words with real world examples. > > As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating layer 2 > l

RE: OT: desktop network switches

mail.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches I have backed up my words with real world examples. As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the past

RE: OT: desktop network switches

Yup. I worked with some historic buildings in the past too. They're not too keen on more cutting\drilling etc. From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: desktop network switches Indeed -

RE: OT: desktop network switches

t: Re: OT: desktop network switches >>As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating layer 2 >>loops with small unmanaged switches over the past 9+ years at my position. Then (since we're all so full of impractical advice today), you might do well to equip your e

RE: OT: desktop network switches

being able to do their job, take orders, or whatever for an hour while you run around looking at $50 switches in everybody's office for the rogue cable was worth significantly more than $950, they might rightfully question why you did nothing to prevent it. So, while it might *sometimes* be as

RE: OT: desktop network switches

I agree but it also seems to open up the "easy path" which then tends to be used going forward whether it is the best solution or not. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 7 February 2011 8:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: desktop networ

RE: OT: desktop network switches

Issues Subject: RE: OT: desktop network switches While I recognize the need to not waste money and be flexible, it isn't as simple as $50 vs $. If your whole business goes down because somebody caused a spanning tree loop with an unmanaged switch, does that make business sense?

Re: OT: desktop network switches

perience with folks creating >> layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the past 9+ years at >> my position. If it costs even one hour of my time tracking these down >> for each incident (and it's usually more than that), the money spent >> is well wort

Re: OT: desktop network switches

uff wrote: > I have backed up my words with real world examples. > > As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating > layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the past 9+ years at > my position. If it costs even one hour of my time tracking these down &

Re: OT: desktop network switches

may involve drilling new > > punch-thru holes in steel (and occasionally armored) bulkheads -- in that > > environment is not something we undertake lightly (or cheaply). > > That's not business, that's military, and it's a completely different > world. And, because of

Re: OT: desktop network switches

*>>As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the past 9+ years at my position.* Then (since we're all so full of impractical advice today), you might do well to equip your environment with better users, who don&#x

RE: OT: desktop network switches

> -Original Message- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:54 > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 09:39, Ben Schorr wrote: > > Indeed – we’ve been down

Re: OT: desktop network switches

y armored) bulkheads -- in that > environment is not something we undertake lightly (or cheaply). > > > > On many occasions new offices have been provisioned with inexpensive > temporary switches until we can determine that it’s worth it to us to bring > in something more “heavy-

Re: OT: desktop network switches

erent world. And, because of that, using unmanaged small switches is even more of a sin there. > On many occasions new offices have been provisioned with inexpensive > temporary switches until we can determine that it’s worth it to us to bring > in something more “heavy-duty”.  And you can fo

Re: OT: desktop network switches

I have backed up my words with real world examples. As I stated before, I have lots of experience with folks creating layer 2 loops with small unmanaged switches over the past 9+ years at my position. If it costs even one hour of my time tracking these down for each incident (and it's us

RE: OT: desktop network switches

involve drilling new punch-thru holes in steel (and occasionally armored) bulkheads -- in that environment is not something we undertake lightly (or cheaply). On many occasions new offices have been provisioned with inexpensive temporary switches until we can determine that it's worth it to

RE: OT: desktop network switches

, but buying the cheapest solution available does not necessarily save money in the long run. -Original Message- From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT: desktop network switches It's easy to be critical. Bu

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