Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-30 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Oct 29, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Eric Firing wrote: On 10/29/2011 12:57 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Eric Firing efir...@hawaii.edu mailto:efir...@hawaii.edu wrote: On 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: I haven't been following the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-30 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: Here are my needs: 1) How NAs are implemented cannot be end user visible. Having to pass maskna=True is a problem. I suppose a solution is to set the flag to true on every array inside of pandas so the user

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-30 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: Thanks again for your email, I'm sure I'm not the only one who breathes a deep sigh of relief when I see your posts. I appreciate Nathaniel's idea to pull the changes and I can respect his desire to do that.  

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-30 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-30 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Han Genuit
Hi, instead of putting up a pull request that reverts all the 25000 lines of code than have been written to support an NA mask, why won't you set up a pull request that uses the current code base to implement your own ideas on how it should work? ___

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Eric Firing
On 10/29/2011 12:26 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: The history of this discussion doesn't suggest it straightforward to get a design right first time. It's a complex subject. The second part of your statement, and then implement, sounds so simple. The reality is that there are only a handful of

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Wes McKinney
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: Matt, On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Forget about rudeness or decision processes. No, that's a common mistake, which is to assume that any conversation about things which

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin Root

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:37

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Benjamin Root
On Saturday, October 29, 2011, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Who is counted in building a consensus? I tend to pay attention to those who have made consistent contributions over the years, reviewed code, fixed bugs, and have generally been active in numpy development. In any

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Saturday, October 29, 2011, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Who is counted in building a consensus? I tend to pay attention to those who have made consistent contributions over the years, reviewed

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:04

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Saturday, October 29, 2011, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Who is counted in building a consensus? I tend

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:37 AM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:26 AM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Olivier Delalleau
2011/10/29 Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Gommers

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Olivier Delalleau sh...@keba.be wrote: 2011/10/29 Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Eric Firing
On 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: I haven't been following the discussion closely, but wouldn't it be instead: a.mask[0:2] = True? That would be consistent with numpy.ma and the opposite of Mark's implementation. I can live with either, but I much prefer the numpy.ma version

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Eric Firing efir...@hawaii.edu wrote: On 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: I haven't been following the discussion closely, but wouldn't it be instead: a.mask[0:2] = True? That would be consistent with numpy.ma and the opposite of Mark's

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:36

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Han Genuit
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Eric Firing efir...@hawaii.edu wrote: On 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: I haven't been following the discussion closely, but wouldn't it be instead: a.mask[0:2] = True? That would be consistent with numpy.ma and the opposite of Mark's

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Benjamin Root
On Saturday, October 29, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ralf

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Han Genuit
To be honest, you have been slandering a lot, also in previous discussions, to get what you wanted. This is not a healthy way of discussion, nor does it help in any way. There have been many people willing to listen and agree with you on points; and this is exactly what discussion is all about,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Han Genuit hangen...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest, you have been slandering a lot, also in previous discussions, to get what you wanted. This is not a healthy way of discussion, nor does it help in any way. That's a severe accusation. Please quote

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin Root

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Eric Firing
On 10/29/2011 12:57 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Eric Firing efir...@hawaii.edu mailto:efir...@hawaii.edu wrote: On 10/29/2011 12:02 PM, Olivier Delalleau wrote: I haven't been following the discussion closely, but wouldn't it be

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Charles R Harris
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:55 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 2:59

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-29 Thread Travis Oliphant
Here are my needs: 1) How NAs are implemented cannot be end user visible. Having to pass maskna=True is a problem. I suppose a solution is to set the flag to true on every array inside of pandas so the user never knows (you mentioned someone else had some other solution, i could go back

[Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I think Nathaniel and Matthew provided very specific feedback that was helpful in understanding other perspectives of a difficult problem.     In particular, I really wanted bit-patterns implemented.    However, I

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I think Nathaniel and Matthew provided very specific feedback that was helpful in understanding other perspectives of a difficult

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I think Nathaniel and Matthew provided very specific

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I think Nathaniel and Matthew provided very specific feedback that was helpful in understanding other perspectives of a difficult problem.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Travis Oliphant oliph...@enthought.com wrote: I think Nathaniel and Matthew provided very

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Travis Oliphant

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:41

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: The space issues was never ignored and Mark left room for that to be addressed.  Parameterized dtypes can still be added (and isn't all that different from multi-na). Perhaps I could be convinced of a having np.MA

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Charles R Harris
2011/10/28 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: The space issues was never ignored and Mark left room for that to be addressed. Parameterized dtypes can still be added (and isn't all that different from multi-na).

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/28 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: The space issues was never ignored and Mark left room for that to be addressed.  

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/28 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: The

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:43

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/28 Stéfan van der Walt

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:56

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Benjamin Root
On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Charles R

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Wes McKinney
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Brett

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Brett

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Charles R Harris
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Wes McKinney wesmck...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Ralf Gommers

Re: [Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Matthew, the problem I have is that it seems that you and Nathaniel won't be satisfied unless things are done *your* way. Hi Charles, I'm sorry if I've given this impression, and I know it's easy to feel this

[Numpy-discussion] consensus (was: NA masks in the next numpy release?)

2011-10-28 Thread Benjamin Root
Matt, On Friday, October 28, 2011, Matthew Brett matthew.br...@gmail.com wrote: Forget about rudeness or decision processes. No, that's a common mistake, which is to assume that any conversation about things which aren't technical, is not important. Nathaniel's point is important.