[Ogf-l] Long Section 15 (and the e-mail's long too)

gets to the Section 15 put: "12 Tribes of Israel: Part 2"; author Daniel Perez, and "Ostraca: Ostraca," author Spike Y Jones, Targum Issue #2; publisher Highmoon Media, copyright 2006 -- and then include the Testament-derived Section 15. then, in big, bold letters: OR "

Re: [Ogf-l] Open Game Content Logo

d20, as > you likely > know, is that restrictions against software are pretty stiff. Have you checked to make sure that there are no similar restrictions regarding the use of Star Frontiers? The game may be defunct, but the copyright and trademarks are still held by WotC/Hasbro. Spike Y Jones

Re: [Ogf-l] Open Game Content Logo

to the use of a d20 in a logo. (But since I wasn't involved at all in the project, I may be misremembering.) Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] using the SRD verbatim

eed i re-write it or can i use the text exactly as it appears in > the source. Assuming you do everything else correctly (include all sources in your Section 15, for instance), yes, you can use text verbatim from either or both SRDs, and you can also modi

Re: [Ogf-l] Using (and declaring) OGC from The Tome of Horrors

set out in the "advice" section of the book exactly; it happens to be a very clear and accurate description of how to use the OGC in that book. The "this is not legal advice" line is a legal disclaimer designed to protect the publisher in case something goes wrong. Spike Y J

Re: [Ogf-l] Section 6 requirements

information? Does > the answer change if they make layout changes or small edits? I'd say if you made any changes at all to the words (adding any, subtracting any, rearranging any for clarity or what have you) then it's no longer the original work but something ne

Re: [Ogf-l] Any work covered by the license

because he disputes the validity of your parsing of that part of the license to come up with the phrase in the first place. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] Any work covered by the license

opted that interpretation (or if they have, then they're been deliberately breaching the license), but I haven't taken a survey to see which interpretation is in the majority. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] WotC's Advantage

yes, WotC made the final decisions regarding the OGL (and D20STL), but not independent of the concerns of other members of the game industry. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] WotC's Advantage

hem to recall exactly how many of those separate and individual reuse licenses there'd been in the two decades before the OGL. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

[Ogf-l] PHB vs. SRD

material from the PHB, not the other way around. And that makes all the difference. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] WotC's Advantage

s first released as OGC in its core books and then in an SRD, so you could take material from both places, but the key principle behind the two remains the same: By putting all the OGC in an SRD and pointing people there if they want to do any OGC borrow

[Ogf-l] OGL Revisions

delf and some others have compiled longer lists of revisions they'd like made. Whether they count as *good* ideas for revisions is for each of us to decide on our own. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

tors or explanations can be useful in conjuntion with bald "these words are PI" declarations. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

le to make a valid Product Identity claim) but at other times they can only provide analogies and parallels because users of the OGL agree not to play by all the IP laws that pertain to the outside world. One of the tricky things is knowing when one stops a

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

nspired concept then Mongoose shouldn't have claimed "firbolg" as PI since they have no ownership grounds. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:04:53 -0400 Brett Sanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:09:02AM -0400, Spike Y Jones wrote: > > I still say the easiest course is likely to be to get in touch > > with Mongoose and see what can be worked out. > > It cer

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

ether he can ignore the letter or whether he has to do something). I still say the easiest course is likely to be to get in touch with Mongoose and see what can be worked out. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

n, if there was an OGL Buffy the Vampire-Slayer Game, the publisher wouldn't be able to PI the word Spike as it applied to one of the characters in that series?) Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

from Mongoose's content > and thus you can use them freely. Is this your opinion (which I agree with, by the way) or has this been officially declared to be the correct interpretation of the ambiguous license terms by WotC and/or a court of law? Spike Y Jones __

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

vent you from using them in OGL books even if you'd never seen my book. Only if you accept the most extreme position in both these cases is the declaring the OED PI tactic a problem for anyone. But some people have argued for more limited readings that *do* ma

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:07:12 -0500 "Tim Dugger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12 Aug 2005 at 13:47, Spike Y Jones wrote: > > > > This way you are officially declaring the source of your terms, > > > which also indicates that you are NOT using anybod

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

reading of the PI terms of the license you go with, doing this isn't necessarily going to get you anywhere. > I would also suggest including a bibliography of the books you > used, but the OGL does not allow for that. I don't recall bibliographies being specifically banned by the O

Re: [Ogf-l] PI declarations

otentially sour relations with Mongoose in the future, and to entangle anyone who borrows OGC from you in any future haggling that might occur. (Obviously, this last is something one would only do because of some type of moral conviction or philosophical position or intellectual po

Re: [OGF-L] Work=OGC+PI+nothing else?

f the form of the Section 15 notices that Atlas Games uses for some books: "Open Game Content from [title], copyright [date], Trident, dba Atlas"? Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoun

Re: [OGF-L] Who can declare Product Identity (Third PartyBeneficiaries?)

on't register things as copyright, you just declare them to be > copyright. I think you're wrong here. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] How much is "too much" for derivative works?

duplicative feat, especially if you can mount any sort of credible "independent development" defence. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] declaring pi (some quiries)

posted their OGC and PI declarations on the list before going to press in order to get last-minute advice. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] declaring pi (some quiries)

it will make a cautious reuser pause before assuming a proper name that wasn't on your specific list, and a conscientious reuser e-mail you to check on the name's status before using it himself. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] OT: Marvel Sues City of Heros (DarkTouch)

e a novel identical to a copyrighted work. City > of Heroes > can't be held liable because players are able to build a hulking > brute > superhero, color his skin green, and name him The Hulk. And they aren't able to name him The Hulk; apparently the moderators cul

Re: [Ogf-l] When does quoting a review = indicating compatibility with a trademark?

e) that may be related to the covered product. Therefore your advertising, your website, your spoken line of patter during a convention demo wouldn't be a covered product, and therefore wouldn't have to abide by the OGL rules. Spike Y Jones _

Re: [Ogf-l] FEATS rears it's head again.

ced within the d20 collections of an average-sized gaming group, and if he wants AEG to do something about the problem, my guess is that this is the *only* way (short of the first-ever Section 15-based lawsuit) of seeing that accomplished. You balance the benefit

Re: [Ogf-l] FEATS rears it's head again.

e from your e-mail onto their Web page. You could also cc: a copy of that corrected list here, so that people using the book who might not visit the company's Web site will have a chance of running across the correct version. Spike Y Jones _

Re: [Ogf-l] courtesy & OGC

ecall there is at least one product out there that > has used OGC from something else *before* that other thing was > published! If we're talking about the one I'm thinking of, the situation should be rectified shortly with the publication of the delayed first (or second,

Re: [Ogf-l] compiled list of D20SRD changes?

e list of changes to D&D between 3.0 and 3.5. What he's looking for is the list of changes to the SRD between 3.5's initial release and today. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] The Myth Of Closed Content?

m Publisher A? If the About The Author sidebar is in, say, an introduction that Publisher B decides neither to release as Open Content nor to declare PI, and it that means that it's then outside the Covered Work and so normal copyright law would hold sway, sure

Re: [Ogf-l] what is OGC? - It's PORTIONS of your work according tosection 8

;material not a part of the covered work and therefore not dealt with in the license except in a few tangential places." Lee's definition and designation is the most accurate, but "closed content" is the most commonly-used term for this third category of material. Spike Y Jones

Re: re[2]: [Ogf-l] Re: Releasing a new system under the OGL

the OGL into a true safe-harbour is dropping the PI > and the trademark regulations, and then it would become enforceable > not only in the US but elsewhere as well. But if the PI and trademark regulations weren't there, many U.S. companies would never have publi

Re: re[2]: [Ogf-l] Re: Releasing a new system under the OGL

lawyer, before tossing it. Not just a lawyer: some of the reasons for using the OGL are related to existing conditions in the game industry (e.g., customer and professional familiarity with the license) that might make up for any perceived legal deficiencies in the license. Spi

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Declarations & Licensed Art

o don't would have to have the owner of the artwork put a PI declaration within the publisher of the work's own OGC/PI declarations; they couldn't merely declare it outside of the scope of the OGL, since they don't believe there is such a thing. Spike Y Jones _

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

GL) and still end up PIing things like "Gold" (because of blanket statements, for instance). Personally, I think 2, 3, 4, and 5 cover probably 95% of all cases. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] Re: Product Identity does not mean "Everything that's not OGC"

still closed nonetheless) that many users of the license argue exists. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] Product Identity does not mean "Everything that's not OGC"

7;m saying is that it's silly to say that PI licenses go against the spirit of the OGL when they're actually specifically mentioned within the OGL itself. Obviously, the drafters of the OGL wanted PI licenses to be a part of the universe of options avai

Re: [Ogf-l] Re: Product Identity does not mean "Everything that's not OGC"

k that doesn't use the OGL at all, then declaring any part of it Product Identity is silly; the OGL-derived concept of Product Identity doesn't have any meaning outside of the OGL. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] h

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

terposing Hand," and there are spells in the SRD called "Magnificent Mansion" and "Interposing Hand", and the former are off-limits, while the latter are Open Content. (The parallelism is inexact, because WotC didn't use PI to accomplish this, but it's instructive nonetheless.) Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] Section 5

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:31:59 + Rob Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I try to copy/derive from/distribute something that isn't mine > to do so, it's not legal anyway. > > Does section 5 simply make this explicit to people (which is still > a good thing, as many people don't seem to get

Re: [Ogf-l] Section 5

't need any special section of the OGL to cover a plain copyright infringement. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

y. Yes, Lee, you're correct again. I'm sorry everyone; I'm having a no-caffeine morning. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

to the two > > of them is ridiculous.) > > Just, as a point of clarification, I didn't make such a > suggestion. In fact, I commented when Clark said that "spell > names from R & R are PI of Clark and used by permission" is, for > me, an insufficient

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

ou to replace the word "eclipse" anywhere else it appears in the text of your book, using "occultation of the sun by the moon" when referring to the celestial occurence, and "overshadowing of celebrity" when used in a career sense, etc. Spike Y Jones ___

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

PI happened to be. (And the suggestion that he buy a copy of both Book Y and "Lee's Book of Superheroes" and then spend some hours line-by-line cross-checking the two to see what material is common to the two of them is ridiculous.) Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

owings unemcumbered by a separate license (which would be "idiotic" to use tertiarily), and which are the spells used under the R&R license (which would be even more idiotic to use third-hand, because of the existence of the separate license)? Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

I think calling PI licenses like those used by Clark and others as > "crippling" the OGC is a little far fetched. Okay, then call it "crippling the OGC but providing an optional wheelchair to help with the PI". Spike Y Jones _

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

ple the OGC in order to discourage borrowing of any kind (something that has been suggested on this list has happened in the past)(although not necessarily related to this specific case), then 3 would make the original publisher happy as well. Spike Y Jones __

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

but "the spirit of the OGL" is something even more difficult to pin down than the meaning of some of "the words of the OGL". Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] PI Spell Names

"words" -- but are not > identical: > > * Weapon of Shadow > * Shadow, Weapon of These would be fair, but could be seen as tweaking the nose of the original creator (especially the second, which is arranged specifically to look like the original). Try Shade Sword o

Re: [Ogf-l] Ryan Dancey: Origins Bummer

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:00:08 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spike Y Jones) wrote: > > Google search for Rolling Thunder CCG should get you some good > hits. Google-searching for Rolling Thunder Post-Mortem gets you an especially informative hit. Spik

Re: [Ogf-l] Ryan Dancey: Origins Bummer

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:27:55 -0600 woodelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Rolling Thunder. > > Huh? Quick websearch doesn't seem to turn up anything relevant. Google search for Rolling Thunder CCG should get you some good hits. Spike Y Jones __

[Ogf-l] OT: Ryan Dancey: Origins

lists, and to the difficulty of following the debate when it was spread out over a half-dozen different places. By putting up this website, Ryan's at least attempting to deal with those two problems. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] Purveyors of lousy advice

ownloaded 2,241 times. I think there's one important thing to note: your product is a free download. There's a lot of difference between someone telling you "There's no market for your product," and someone telling you "Nobody would be inte

Re: [Ogf-l] On the matter of game concepts

mplates, I would > not necessarily have to use the website S.15 since I would be > creating my own mechanic out of a sentence I read on it. At least > that's how I understand it at this point. That's how I'd approach it. Your mileage may vary. Spike Y Jones ___

Re: [Ogf-l] On the matter of game concepts

modifying > anything he did? Did the website material have a copy of the license? If so, then you have to reference that in Section 15; you may not have seen the book, but you saw the web material. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] OGL vs D20

On 11 Aug 2003 09:15:02 -0700 "Ryan S. Dancey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-08-10 at 15:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Personally, I don't think those restrictions are worth WotC's > > time anymore > > Me neither, but I suspect our opinions are diametrically opposed to > the cur

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

her to > come up with any concept i want, and then source him. And he's not > a gamer, and has essentially no truck with online stuff. You'll note that in my longer version of what Ryan said, I used the words "pre-existing body of" etc. If the concept didn't exist in

Re: [Ogf-l] "D20" as Product Identity

OGL framework that can be shown to have existed prior to the PI claim." A mouthful, which is probably why he shortened it to "from the public domain." Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l

Re: [Ogf-l] Closing OGC

blishers writing material based on the old version will be shooting themselves in the foot. Assume that 90% of all d20 products announced for the remainder of 2003 will be 3.5-compliant, and that the percentage will go up in 2004. Spike Y Jones ___

[Ogf-l] Closing OGC

m that original Open source, and refrain from using material that's derived (directly or indirectly) from the PI source. Spike Y Jones ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l