Re: ooo-general-ja mailing list settings

2011-10-12 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Dennis and all, On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Do you have the message that came back with the rejected post? Yes, I do. It was like the following. --- fromMail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com to

Re: [PATCH] Fix for #118485#, #108221#, #67705#

2011-10-12 Thread Armin Le Grand
Hi Pedro, On 12.10.2011 03:43, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi; I committed it as revision 1182166, and noted it in the bug report, but I admit the patch was too big to do a review on it. Thanks for comitting. I think - as i wrote - for someone knowing the core it would have been possible

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
Before I sign off I'd like to see the report address external communications explicitly. The project has a real problem right now with asserting itself as the OpenOffice.org project and defining how it will interact with downstream projects. Is the community going to take ownership of this? It

Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
TODO: all podling committers that prefer to use their own personal email address rather than their @apache.org address should update this: https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/MailAlias.txt The README nearby notes, among other useful things: /MailAlias.txt Place your

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Before I sign off I'd like to see the report address external communications explicitly. The project has a real problem right now with asserting itself as the OpenOffice.org project and defining how it will

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 10/12/2011 8:51 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Before I sign off I'd like to see the report address external communications explicitly. The project has a real problem right now with asserting itself as the OpenOffice.org

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 October 2011 13:51, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Before I sign off I'd like to see the report address external communications explicitly. The project has a real problem right now with asserting itself

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/12/2011 8:51 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com  wrote: Before I sign off I'd like to see the report address external communications explicitly. The

Re: [PATCH] Fix for #118485#, #108221#, #67705#

2011-10-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi; --- On Wed, 10/12/11, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:     Hi Pedro, On 12.10.2011 03:43, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi; I committed it as revision 1182166, and noted it in the bug report, but I admit the patch was too big to do a review on it. Thanks for comitting. I

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/12/2011 8:51 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Before I sign off I'd like to see the report

Anti-grain Geometry (was Re: Solve SVG visualization without cairo and librsvg)

2011-10-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- On Tue, 10/11/11, Armin Le Grand wrote: (Concerning AGG ) +1 Let's let it go for now. I plan to: 0) Apply the existing SGA on it. 1) disconnect it from the build. 2) Update it. 3) Remove it. Pedro.

Re: [PATCH] Fix for #118485#, #108221#, #67705#

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hi; --- On Wed, 10/12/11, Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com wrote:     Hi Pedro, On 12.10.2011 03:43, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hi; I committed it as revision 1182166, and noted it in the bug report, but I admit

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
It's great to see this coming together now. Thank you everyone. Ross On 12 October 2011 16:48, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/12/2011 8:51 AM, Rob Weir

RE: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I confess that I am having trouble extracting concrete actionables from Ross's request. I need to reread the thread from the beginning. One thing, off-hand. I believe the commitment is to support mutual security concerns via security@ OO.o or any successor, not via some special arrangement

Re: Introduction Francis C. Costero

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Harbison
Welcome Francis. Very happy to see and your excellent contributions on behalf of the forums. Thanks! /don On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.orgwrote: Hello Francis. I noticed with enthusiasm the work that you did in cleaning up the proposal page on the

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Other areas where we could use some volunteer leadership: 5) wiki master 6) bugzilla master 7) web master IP master? Coordinating the re-licensing process, looking at external packages linked to, and being the go-to for

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I confess that I am having trouble extracting concrete actionables from Ross's request.  I need to reread the thread from the beginning. One thing, off-hand.  I believe the commitment is to support mutual

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
Rob, On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: snip I think that we as the AOOo PPMC will need to find one or more PPMC members to fulfill certain external roles. I am emphasizing EXTERNALLY facing roles.

2011-10-12 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board

2011-10-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
As of the end of day, 2011-10-11, there are 76 committers, with 54 on the PPMC. Since the previous, 2011-09-13 report, that is an increase of 4 committers, and one leaving the PPMC. The number of outstanding iCLAs from eligible Initial Committers remains at 11. - Dennis WHO'S ON BOARD 1

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Rob, On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: snip I think that we as the AOOo PPMC will need to find one or more PPMC members to

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Rob, On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: snip I think that we as the AOOo PPMC

RE: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I have posted the PPMC Status ... and updated the October 2011 PMC Report. In the report there is the following accomplishment: New membership awareness, discussion on how to make members aware of their candidacy for IPMC. I don't recall any discussion about the IPMC. Is PPMC intended?

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I have posted the PPMC Status ... and updated the October 2011 PMC Report. In the report there is the following accomplishment: New membership awareness, discussion on how to make members aware of their

Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
What's the best place to (quickly) learn just who was who and what groups did what in the previous OOo life at Oracle? I see things like Community council and Engineering steering council and lots of projects, but it's not clear yet how they were supposed to be related or helped to manage

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Harbison
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Rob, On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:48 AM,

RE: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
With regard to monthly reporting for another quarter, I believe it is a structural device for keeping our eye on the ball. Structural devices are very handy, like checklists, especially when developers are operating heads-down and not watching the road ahead. (It is very difficult to be

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: With regard to monthly reporting for another quarter, I believe it is a structural device for keeping our eye on the ball.  Structural devices are very handy, like checklists, especially when developers are

RE: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Just to be clear. I did not touch the report. I am sticking to my promise about that (except for those stats I am the curator for). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:41 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
Alexandro deserves credit for stepping up and starting this report. I've added Dennis's language: Discussion of criteria for bringing on new committers and PPMC members, and whether or not there should be a separate criteria for each role, as well as how these decisions should be communicated

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 October 2011 17:39, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I confess that I am having trouble extracting concrete actionables from Ross's request.  I need to reread the thread from the beginning. Don't worry too much, time is short. I wanted to use this opportunity to raise

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Rob, On Oct

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 October 2011 18:44, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: ... We need someone explicitly building the relationships, becoming someone that the press will know to ask when they want clarification before they publish something negative or just plain wrong. I will volunteer to

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 October 2011 20:51, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: ... We need someone explicitly building the relationships, becoming someone that

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Harbison
Well, you can take a look at http://projects.openoffice.org/ ...and see the structure of work division by project and the names of people who were associated with those projects in the past. There was an Engineering Steering Committee (ESC) where the Sun developer staff met with volunteers, but

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Donald Whytock
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I would hope that Don's first activity will be to define a consistent message from AOOo. Once defined any project member should, in theory, be able to contribute to ensure the message gets out. How about starting

Re: PMC report for October 2011

2011-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 October 2011 20:51, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: ... We need someone

Re: Status of migration of OOo domains?

2011-10-12 Thread Kay Schenk
On 10/11/2011 03:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Shane, just to clarify a bit. As far as I know, the PPMC does not have the keys, as it were, to the live OpenOffice.org site. Apparently someone does, and some touch ups are made, but it is all

OOo site favicon

2011-10-12 Thread NoOp
Why is the favicon for http://www.openoffice.org/ using a Kenai favicon? type=application/atom+xml / link rel=shortcut icon type=image/x-icon href=/branding/kenai/images/favicon.ico / link rel=icon type=image/x-icon href=/branding/kenai/images/favicon.ico / rather than an OOo (or if

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
OK, so there was the Community Council and the ESC, as well as the leads and participants on an array of Projects that worked on specific areas of OOo code, websites, outreach, conferences, everything. Since all these organizations effectively were tied to Sun/Oracle, has Oracle officially

Migration: any plans to preserve mailing list archives?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
Are there any plans to preserve archives of any existing @oo.o mailing lists? I didn't see a treatment of archives on the planning page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Mailing+lists Obviously any mailing lists hosted at Apache will use the normal mail-archive.a.o

Re: Migration: any plans to preserve mailing list archives?

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Are there any plans to preserve archives of any existing @oo.o mailing lists?  I didn't see a treatment of archives on the planning page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Mailing+lists This was

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: OK, so there was the Community Council and the ESC, as well as the leads and participants on an array of Projects that worked on specific areas of OOo code, websites, outreach, conferences, everything. Since all these

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 10/12/2011 8:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations around OOo governance and the brand were, so we can better explain what the new governance

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: On 10/12/2011 8:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org  wrote: I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations around OOo

Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?

2011-10-12 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 10/12/2011 8:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... That's fine, but just understand that you are touching on topics that will be painful to some and could lead this list down paths I don't think we want to go right now. I really think we want to avoid a discussion of legacy OOo governance. -Rob

RE: Migration: any plans to preserve mailing list archives?

2011-10-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Shane, If you register on the openoffice.org site (recommended), and are logged in, you will find something amazing at http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists. Those are not all of the lists. There are, in addition, 15 pages of Projects (146 total), http://openoffice.org/projects. (Be

Re: Migration: any plans to preserve mailing list archives?

2011-10-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Shane, If you register on the openoffice.org site (recommended), and are logged in, you will find something amazing at http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists. Those are not all of the lists.  There are, in

Re: OOo site favicon

2011-10-12 Thread Shao Zhi Zhao
hi, you can see it at http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home thanks mail:zhaos...@cn.ibm.com Address:2/F,Ring Bldg. No.28 Building, Zhong Guan Cun Software Park, No.8, Dong Bei Wang West Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, P.R.China

Re: Migration: any plans to preserve mailing list archives?

2011-10-12 Thread Dave Fisher
Dennis, On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Shane, If you register on the openoffice.org site (recommended), and are logged in, you will find something amazing at http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists. Those are not all of the lists. There are, in addition, 15

Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement

2011-10-12 Thread F C. Costero
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:06 PM, F C. Costero fjcc.apa...@gmail.com wrote: *C.* Forum admins must sign the ICLA. They will interact with the Apache Infra group and should be official project members. At least one Moderator, who will sign the ICLA, or Admin on every NL forum will commit to