for binding votes on the forum and on ooo-dev list.
Cheers
Christian
- Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 17:57
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
On Mon
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On Oct 18, 2011 1:56 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org
wrote:
The stated [DISCUSS] expiration of midnight, today, 2011-10-17T24:00Z
has arrived.
The
Op 18-10-2011 9:58, Ross Gardler schreef:
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On Oct 18, 2011 1:56 AM, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamiltonorc...@apache.org
wrote:
The stated [DISCUSS] expiration of midnight, today,
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 18-10-2011 9:58, Ross Gardler schreef:
Apache projects are about avoiding ceremonial actsand all about getting
stiff done.
A vote may be purely ceremonial, but it would kind of make clear how many
people actually care
And please note Christian's comment:
Finally we are adding people to the PMC
with this vote too!
Really? Who - specifically - are we adding to the PMC? Does everyone on
this thread really have the same understanding of what this proposal does?
PMC or committer additions are one of the
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
Sigh.
On 10/18/2011 7:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM, floris vfloris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 18-10-2011
On 10/18/2011 8:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
Sigh.
On 10/18/2011 7:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM, floris
The Apache Way is like Zen. There are some rules and plenty of
guidelines,
but it's really about having a healthy community that listens to each
other
and works towards consensus.
Shane, it should be obvious to a stone that I am advocating the Zen
approach of just taking the lazy
On 11/10/2011 Rob Weir wrote [pasting the Wiki proposal]:
*C.* Forum admins must sign the ICLA. They will interact with the
Apache Infra group and should be official project members. At least
one Moderator, who will sign the ICLA, or Admin on every NL forum will
commit to reporting forum status
didn't ask the PPMC to do anything.
-Rob
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From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 00:09
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt
do the work. The
proposal didn't ask the PPMC to do anything.
-Rob
-Original Message-
From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 00:09
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Please not, there are not technical volunteers for fulfilling that
task. Terry E, who left the project, has mentioned this might be very
difficult or
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.orgwrote:
The Draft Proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org
Forums
within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling is available on the Apache OO.o
Community Wiki at
2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.orgwrote:
Wondering why the discussion is on the wiki as comments?
Juergen
There was discussion on this list, onn the forum, on the wiki and then
back on the forum. These
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:06 PM, F C. Costero fjcc.apa...@gmail.com wrote:
*C.* Forum admins must sign the ICLA. They will interact with the
Apache Infra group and should be official project members. At least
one Moderator, who will sign the ICLA, or Admin on every NL forum will
commit to
The Draft Proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums
within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling is available on the Apache OO.o
Community Wiki at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project.
The Draft Proposal is
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
The Draft Proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums
within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling is available on the Apache OO.o
Community Wiki at
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
The Draft Proposal for governance and operation of the OpenOffice.org Forums
within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling is available on the Apache OO.o
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org
wrote:
The Draft Proposal for governance and operation of the
To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the
current wiki markup. This will allow anyone to enter inline
commentary, as a response, to the quoted original.
-Rob
---
h1. Changes to integrate the forums into the AOOo project
h2. 1. Community
The
And yes, the forum people are asking to look at this proposal now and
discuss.
OK. That's what I wanted to hear. We've had false starts on this
before. I expected the forum proposal to come from a forum admin or
moderator, not fro Dennis. But that's fine.
I can confirm that this
The proposal looks pretty good to me. Well thought out.
I do have an operational question about the three people given the role of
Initial Committers / PMC
Do Zoltan, Rory, and Ricardo each have the skills and time to necessary to both
complete the migration of the Fora that was begun by
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the
current wiki markup. This will allow anyone to enter inline
commentary, as a response, to the quoted original.
-Rob
---
h1. Changes
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 13:13 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote:
The proposal looks pretty good to me. Well thought out.
I do have an operational question about the three people given the role of
Initial Committers / PMC
Do Zoltan, Rory, and Ricardo each have the skills and time to necessary to
2011/10/11 Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
The proposal looks pretty good to me. Well thought out.
I do have an operational question about the three people given the role of
Initial Committers / PMC
Do Zoltan, Rory, and Ricardo each have the skills and time to necessary to
both complete
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the
current wiki markup. This will allow anyone to enter inline
commentary, as a response, to the quoted original.
Thanks!
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:13:54 -0700
Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
I do have an operational question about the three people given
the role of Initial Committers / PMC
Do Zoltan, Rory, and Ricardo each have the skills and time
I certainly do not have tthe skills to do that, not the
Hi Drew and all,
I sent an email to Vietnamese and Chinese forum admins and asked them
to read the proposal and say something.
:)
But I have not heard from them yet. Have you, Drew?
Thanks,
khirano
Op 11-10-2011 23:30, Kazunari Hirano schreef:
Hi Drew and all,
I sent an email to Vietnamese and Chinese forum admins and asked them
to read the proposal and say something.
:)
But I have not heard from them yet. Have you, Drew?
Thanks,
khirano
Your chances to hear something from the
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 06:30 +0900, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
Hi Drew and all,
I sent an email to Vietnamese and Chinese forum admins and asked them
to read the proposal and say something.
:)
But I have not heard from them yet. Have you, Drew?
No - but I'll be doing the following this
of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the
current wiki markup. This will allow anyone to enter inline
commentary, as a response, to the quoted original.
Thanks!
*H.* Should the ASF
On 11 October 2011 22:05, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the
current wiki markup. This will allow anyone to enter inline
commentary, as a response, to the
Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to
terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at
least 90 days for the transfer of the contents and structure of the
forums to another host as decided by the
Volunteers are registered users of the forum(s) with a post count of
over 200 (or another lower limit), who visit and post regularly to
answer questions, report spam and in general show commitment to the
forum(s), as opposed to regular registered users who may never post at
all or post
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 11 October 2011 22:05, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable list-based discussion of the proposal, I'm pasting in the
current wiki markup.
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 23:58 +0200, floris v wrote:
Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to
terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at
least 90 days for the transfer of the contents and
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:58 PM, floris v floris...@gmail.com wrote:
Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to
terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at
least 90 days for the transfer of the
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 11 October 2011 22:05, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable
On 11 October 2011 23:07, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Ross Gardler
rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
On 11 October 2011 22:05, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
Rob Weir wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 15:13:31 -0400:
To enable list-based
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Christian Grobmeier
grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
Volunteers are registered users of the forum(s) with a post count of
over 200 (or another lower limit), who visit and post regularly to
answer questions, report spam and in general show commitment to the
forum(s),
drew wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 18:07:35 -0400:
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 23:58 +0200, floris v wrote:
Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to
terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at
Ross Gardler wrote on Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 23:11:23 +0100:
On 11 October 2011 23:07, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
In any case, the right way to handle this is just to take out the
mention of ASF. If indeed the PPMC has delegated authority, then it
is sufficient to just mention the
On 10/11/2011 5:58 PM, floris v wrote:
Op 11-10-2011 23:46, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef:
*H.* Should the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org project decide to
terminate its support of the forums, it will grant a period of at
least 90 days for the transfer of the contents and structure of the
I think by far the most important thing to realize is that we are trying
to come up with well understood, basic guidelines for collaborative
community governance here, under the broad umbrella of the Apache Way
and an ASF podling. We are not trying to come up with an international
treaty with
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
I think by far the most important thing to realize is that we are trying to
come up with well understood, basic guidelines for collaborative community
governance here, under the broad umbrella of the Apache Way and an
On 10/11/2011 8:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
...snip...
Actually anyone is welcome to work with Apache infra on their normal mailing
lists or even open JIRAs to get work done, so there's no strict need for
Apache IDs in
@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement
Beside infrastructure@ a.o, there is the public list infrastructure-dev @ a.o.
- Dennis
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From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 17:47
To: ooo-dev
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote:
On 10/11/2011 8:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Shane Curcurua...@shanecurcuru.org
wrote:
...snip...
Actually anyone is welcome to work with Apache infra on their normal
mailing
lists
I'm not sure this is the best place to jump in here, but I'd like to
add some comments and try to summarize changes to the proposal that
may be required, or at least welcome.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Christian Grobmeier
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