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Hi Roel
Nice to hear that somebody out there is working on diabetes.
Are you gonna share them.?
We are planning to make Fertility related archetypes based on common templates.
rgds
Srikanth
Stap, R.E. (Roel) roel.stap at tno.nl wrote: Dear William,
I am currently working
and
standardised data items. Although I agree with your comments with respect to
safety etc, I see no difference in meticulously defined standards for message
or
OpenEHR specification. Especially since on the concrete data item level we work
with templates and archetypes in the same way.
- thomas beale
In een bericht met de datum 16-10-2006 13:34:27 West-Europa (zomertijd),
schrijft gfrer at luna.nl:
William,
Since when is it a lie when one states his opinion?
Read my other e-mail where I state more opinions and provide some arguments.
Read in that e-mail also the fact that
Good Point Ed,
Until now the list of actual OpenEHR implementation I have actually seen
working is 0
Reports in the scientific literature I have seen are 0
This is of course because I have not explicitly been looking for it, but I
would like to have the 'proof' presented.
Is this possible?
The Netherlands is about to start a national scale development of care
information models for diabetes care.
I expect that the clinical specification can be done jointly with others on
international level.
William Goossen
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Antw: Re: AW: HL7 templates/archetypes
Williamtfgoossen at cs.com wrote:
In een bericht met de datum 15-10-2006 23:54:28 West-Europa
In een bericht met de datum 15-10-2006 19:15:05 West-Europa (zomertijd),
schrijft e0125766 at student.tuwien.ac.at:
Hi,
I'm writing my diploma thesis at the Vienna Medical University and I have a
question concerning the HL7 templates/archetypes. I'm aware that this sites
are related
two defining ADL.
OpenEHR is an implementation plus of the CEN/ISO standard for the EHR.
And provides the Archetype Editor to produce archetypes that can
represent clinical information Models.
Both part one and two enable plug-and-play semantic interoperability.
HL7 has nothing that is coming close
On Oct 15, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Gerard Freriks wrote:
Dear Dana,
Why would you like to do that?
Theoretically it might be possible to map computationally
constraints imposed on one model to others imposed on an other,
where both ways express the same clinical model.
But I doubt that this
Hi
I was just thinking to use some ADLv1.3 archetype files with java ADL parser.
Could anybody give a pointer to ADLv1.3 archetypes?
I could only find ADLv1.4 files here.http://my.openehr.org/wsvn/knowledge/
rgds
minreddy
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Get your
Hi,
I'm new to openEHR and archetypes and have some question I hope you can help me
with.
1. I don't understand the relationship between the archetypes and the
underlying data model. If an archetype is changed, will the underlying data
model change?
2. If an archetype is changed
Hallgeir Stuenes wrote:
Hi,
I?m new to openEHR and archetypes and have some question I hope you
can help me with.
1. I don?t understand the relationship between the archetypes and the
underlying data model. If an archetype is changed, will the underlying
data model change?
First
Bert Verhees wrote:
Hi,
I was looking for archetypes, and I found this link:
http://oceaninformatics.biz/archetypes/
on the openehr website
these links have been fixed just now as it happens.
- thomas beale
Je suis absente du bureau jusqu'au jeudi 26 avril 2006.
Sandrine Villaeys
Bert,
the link you need is:
http://oceaninformatics.biz/archetypes/MindMap/ArchetypeMap.html
regards
George Hayworth
Quoting Bert Verhees bert.verhees at rosa.nl:
Hi,
I was looking for archetypes, and I found this link:
http://oceaninformatics.biz/archetypes/
on the openehr website
george.hayworth at oceaninformatics.biz schreef:
Bert,
the link you need is:
http://oceaninformatics.biz/archetypes/MindMap/ArchetypeMap.html
This is very interesting link, I never saw it before.
But the other which my question was originally about works fine now.
(http
Hi,
I was looking for archetypes, and I found this link:
http://oceaninformatics.biz/archetypes/
on the openehr website
I found descriptions, but no archetypes:
Not Found
The requested URL
/ADL/evaluation/openEHR-EHR-EVALUATION.directive-medication.v1.adl was
not found on this server
Yes they are still 0.97 archetypes, but shouldn't they contain EVENT_CONTEXT
according to the old 0.9 specifications? Anyway, I'm glad that the release 1.0
archetypes are being published soon. I've had a look at some of the new
COMPOSITION archetypes and they seem to follow the specifications
Some answers that may or may not be useful for the hardhats.
Bill Walton wrote:
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From: Greg Woodhouse gregory.woodhouse at sbcglobal.net
To: hardhats-members at lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: 2006-04-10 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Software Archetypes
Software Archetypes - single vs double systemsGreetings,
The posting below showed up on the hardhats list this morning. I responded
(after a brief, confirmatory exchange with Thomas) with a brief, high-level
explanation of what archetypes bring to the party. That triggered a couple
- Original Message -
From: Gregory Woodhouse
To: hardhats-members at lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: 2006-04-10 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Software Archetypes - single vs double systems
On Apr 9, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Lorie Obal wrote:
Can anyone clarify/comment
Software Archetypes - single vs double systems
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From: Bill Walton
To: hardhats-members at lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: 2006-04-10 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Software Archetypes - single vs double systems
Hi Lorie,
Archetypes provide a capability that's
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From: Greg Woodhouse gregory.woodho...@sbcglobal.net
To: hardhats-members at lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: 2006-04-10 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Software Archetypes - single vs double
systems
What I find most frustrating about discussion of archetypes
Dear all,
for those interested in how ontologies (like snomed-ct for example),
information models (like openEHR RM), and mediating elements
(archetypes, templates) can be understood in perspective, I have
produced a short powerpoint slideshow on the topic. See
http://www.deepthought.com.au
The Netherlands
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On 7-jan-2006, at 5:03, Thomas Beale wrote:
Dear all,
for those interested in how ontologies (like snomed-ct for
example), information models (like openEHR RM), and mediating
elements (archetypes, templates) can be understood in perspective
:
Dear all,
for those interested in how ontologies (like
snomed-ct for
example), information models (like openEHR RM),
and mediating
elements (archetypes, templates) can be understood
in perspective,
I have produced a short powerpoint slideshow on
the topic. See
http
Rong Chen wrote:
Thomas Beale wrote:
Dear all,
As part of the ADL 2.0 revision of syntax for archetypes, it occurred
to me that we could change / improve how we quote things, mainly in
the dADL parts (i.e. ontology and description). Currently the
specification says that quoting
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I'm in vacation until the 2nd of November, 2005 included.
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-legal situations as well as population health examination and
probably many other areas health research.
By building an application using a reference model that knows how to
process version based archetypes you will have a framework that can
change to meet new storage media and presentation demands
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Bonjour,
Votre message (renvoi automatique ) bi lingue .. sezmble indiquer que vous
?tes un peu francophone ( et teamlog ?)
Je suis ? l'initiative d'un projet visant ? mettre sur le site openehr.org ( en
accord avec T Baele) une version en fran?ais des documents qui sont surtout en
anglais .
For the non French speakers here (most of the group) - I will quickly
translate so that no-one feels uncomfortable with stuff they can't read
on this list! Dr Lonjon is simply looking for some help amongst
francophone openEHR members who could help with translating the openEHR
documents into
Hi All,
Thank you Thomas for the translation and explanations!!!
My message would not have to appear it on the list...who is in English language
It is a mistake.. (of recipient)
I ask you to accept my apologies
Dr LONJON
Selon Thomas Beale Thomas.Beale at OceanInformatics.biz:
For the non
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Dear All,
When dreaming about future Medical ICT systems with decision assistance on
the fly (Star Trek Syle!) I had the idea of including some PUBMED
pointers/references (PMID) directly inside archetypes. The reason is simple;
the simplest decision assistance (by the way my thesis advisor has
Dear Sam Heard
I couldn't find the pdf file of .NET,SQL,... in
dev/latest/distribution/tools/windows/adl_tools_index.html
regards
shahla foozonkhah
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shahla fozonkhah wrote:
Dear Sam Heard
I couldn't find the pdf file of .NET,SQL,... in
dev/latest/distribution/tools/windows/adl_tools_index.html
regards
shahla foozonkhah
Not sure what you are looking for there, but on the ADL reference parser
page
),
and was derived from considering GEHR, Synapses, HL7 CDA meta-data, and
most recently the CEN MetaKnow specification.
The updated archetypes at
http://www.openehr.org/repositories/archetype-dev/latest/index.html now
all have a description section which follows the AOM model.
We expect builds
Sorry Torsten
The notification was sent to an old email..we have renewed it so I
hope that goes well very soon.
Sam
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Dear all,
for those interested in archetypes, there are new downloads and web pages to
look at:
1. The latest archetype workbench:
http://www.openehr.org/repositories/adl_ref_parser-dev/latest/distribution/tools/windows/adl_tools_index.html
(choose the adl_workbench.tgz link; Watch out
Java version.
Is this an Eclipse plug-in? (I think this is what Dipak said?)
If so, is there anything that Eclipse miught do to help (other
than cash)?
Grahame
Thomas Beale wrote:
Dear all,
for those interested in archetypes, there are new downloads and web
pages to look at:
1
Kerry Raymond wrote:
A pragmatic approach would be to do what you say. We could probably
argue for this just on the basis of the fact that many reference
models (i.e. object models) are not well constructed, and out of the
control of the archetype designers, and/or that models consdered
The beauty of OpenEHR (and CEN/TC251 EN 13606) is the fact that we have
a reference document model that because of its stability help store and
retrieve persistent documents over long periods of time.
Being able to change the reference document model will create problems
by to much divergence.
A pragmatic approach would be to do what you say. We could probably
argue for this just on the basis of the fact that many reference
models (i.e. object models) are not well constructed, and out of the
control of the archetype designers, and/or that models consdered good
today are shown
At 00:20 08/03/2005, Thomas Beale then Kerry wrote:
A pragmatic approach would be to do what you say. We could probably
argue for this just on the basis of the fact that many reference models
(i.e. object models) are not well constructed, and out of the control of
the archetype designers,
Thomas Beale wrote:
Kerry Raymond wrote:
If I might ask a rather mundane technical question about archetypes ...
Looking at the archetype models, there appears to be no way to enforce
that the class to be used for some specific piece of information is
exactly that class and not one
If I might ask a rather mundane technical question about archetypes ...
Looking at the archetype models, there appears to be no way to enforce
that the class to be used for some specific piece of information is
exactly that class and not one of its subtypes. For example, what
Kerry
The archetype editor sets this constraint for dv_date_time using a
syntax for the purpose.
At present the other reference model classes are not available in the
same manner - that is they do not impinge directly on the data.
Generally, one assumes that in the reference model people will
I vote for the pragmatic approach when we don't control the reference model
quote who=Kerry Raymond
A pragmatic approach would be to do what you say. We could probably
argue for this just on the basis of the fact that many reference
models (i.e. object models) are not well constructed, and
Dear all,
I continue working with archetypes for demographics, and trying to express them
in owl.
I have written the archetype for location_address that is provided in the web
in ADL format in owl.
It is based in the openEHR information model, written too in owl.
The archetype is in the url
See http://www.prorec.it/efmiStc/recommendations.htm
Is clinical datasets identical to archetype repositories?
regards
Arild Faxvaag
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I am a newby in the community of openEHR. It is not
clear to me the distinction between archetype and
template. It seems that a template is based on an
archetype. Let's start from archetype in fig. 11, pag.
26 in REV 2.2.1.
Is it possible to have an example in which the
new_value slot is
the
standardisation processes have been published.
2. Special requirements that are not contrary to agreed standards should be
able to be implemented without difficulty - this is the norm rather than the
exception.
3. Where terminologies required in archetypes are small and generally
agreed, these should
published.
Yes, this will always be true, since the archetype should allow for new
research results to be added, independend from where the standardisation
process
is. E.g. if a new scale for prediction of rehabilitation of stroke patients
comes up after the standardisation process around archetypes
2003 9:36 PM
To: Thomas Beale; Jim Warren
Cc: 'openehr-technical at openehr.org'
Subject: Re: Encoding concept-relationships in openehr archetypes.
Hi,
Is it?
Is it about how to represent the domain normal values?
Or is it more general: Are concepts related?
Then the problem is: what
a computing academic whose area of interest will be adequately characterised by
my question...
I'm trying to represent the structure of normal values of fields in
archetypes. I can see that there is of course some provision for a set of
allowed values, a default value and (in quantities) min and max. I
Hi,
Is it?
Is it about how to represent the domain normal values?
Or is it more general: Are concepts related?
Then the problem is: what relations are there between concepts (archetypes)?
What semantics of these relationships between archetypes (concepts) do we
need to describe reallity
Thomas,
drugref.org was published 1/26/2003. It needs additional publication
and time before acceptance and receiving participation from people with
a 'medical, pharmaceutical, or biochemical degree'.
True.
It needs expanded
scope as well since side effects are major concerns with drugs
Message -
From: Karsten Hilbert karsten.hilb...@gmx.net
To: openehr-technical at openehr.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Encoding concept-relationships in openehr archetypes.
Thomas,
drugref.org was published 1/26/2003. It needs additional publication
and time
Dear Tom et al:
This is my de-lurking for the list. For those of you who dont' know me, I'm
a computing academic whose area of interest will be adequately characterised by
my question...
I'm trying to represent the structure of normal values of fields in
archetypes. I can see
!
-Thomas Clark
- Original Message -
From: Jim Warren jim.war...@unisa.edu.au
To: openehr-technical at openehr.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:12 AM
Subject: FW: Encoding concept-relationships in openehr archetypes.
Dear Tom et al:
This is my de-lurking for the list. For those of you who
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