I agree that the lack of pretty user interface will
stop Solaris becoming part of the consumer-user
space. This again is
quite correct and apt. OpenSolaris is available to be
interesting to developers; including GUI
developers. Prettied-up
OpenSolaris distros will become available over
Best is hard to define, is it the crappy OS that
every software vendor
targets their application at, or the perfect OS that
they ignore?
Success on the desktop is more down to marketing and
spin than technical
merit.
It's unfortunate to see the same trend emerging in
the server room.
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 23:36 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
div id=jive-html-wrapper-div
Is anyone running any GPGPU code on Solaris? I ask
because with AMD Fusion coming down the road, it
seems that most AMD64 machines will have access to
GPU based computation functions.brbrWith Solaris
and
But, of course, that won't happen. If it is perfect,
everyone will use it. Even if it's just pretty
good, people will use it.
It is the availability of software that makes or breaks a platform. Not
hardware, not OS technical superiority, not OS security, not ease of use.
Only software
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
I think the 40% was a rectum pluck rather than it
being a fixed number
on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look
at Mac, their
marketshare is below 10% and yet has a bigger
selection of software than
Solaris.
Please do NOT reply to this address. If you have any problems, feel free
to send email to desktop dash discuss at opensolaris dot org
Firefox 2.0.0.6 contributed builds on Solaris10, Solaris8/9 are now
available on www.mozilla.com
What's New
==
It is the availability of software that makes or
breaks a platform. Not hardware, not OS technical
superiority, not OS security, not ease of use.
Only software decides who lives or dies. The majority
of people out there couldn't care less about the
technical superiority of an OS or even
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
I think the 40% was a rectum pluck rather than it
being a fixed number
on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look
at Mac, their
marketshare is below 10% and yet has a bigger
selection of software than
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 10:45 +0200, Patrick Finch wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
I think the 40% was a rectum pluck rather than it
being a fixed number
on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look
at Mac, their
marketshare
Ive checked MD5 signature and still B69 didnt work.
Anyway, Ive installed B68 from CD now. I think there are lots of old computers
that wont boot from Solaris DVD.
This message posted from opensolaris.org
___
opensolaris-discuss mailing list
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 02:27 -0700, Orvar Korvar wrote:
Ive checked MD5 signature and still B69 didnt work.
Anyway, Ive installed B68 from CD now. I think there are lots of old
computers that wont boot from Solaris DVD.
Have you tried putting the exporting the DVD by NFS and doing a
Sorry for the typo.
Please do NOT reply to this address. If you have any problems, feel free
to send email to desktop dash discuss at opensolaris dot org
Firefox 2.0.0.6 contributed builds on Solaris10, Solaris8/9 are now
available on www.mozilla.com
What's New
==
If that's so, ux-admin, why does anyone care about
Project Indiana? The amount of software it offers is
a mere shadow to what Windows offers. Yet people do
care, so Open Solaris must offer something else to
those people.
When you wrote your original essay, you wrote that Solaris should be
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 10:45 +0200, Patrick Finch wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 22:38 -0700, Korey Peters wrote:
I think the 40% was a rectum pluck rather than it
being a fixed number
on which OpenSolaris should aim. I mean, if you look
at Mac,
Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/30/07, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Gupta writes:
http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q
Ah, a license fork. What fun!
...
Personally I think this is a complete perversion of the open source
movement, and can't
Thanks James.
This message posted from opensolaris.org
___
opensolaris-discuss mailing list
opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 7/30/07, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Brian Gupta writes:
http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L179+I0+T+M10+P1+Q
Ah, a license fork. What fun!
...
Personally I think this is a complete perversion of
the open source
Hi
yesterday did some tests.
building using spec files did not success in S10 11/06
noted that some libpostrun needed to packaging is missing.
mediatomb new release 0.10.0 did build fine
when utilize gcc and other required tools headers and libs from /usr/sfw
even spidermonkey when point
W. Wayne Liauh writes:
(Don't use a symlink, as packages delivering that
directory will
blow away the symlink and just make a mess of
things.)
ames Carlson, Solaris Networking
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ha, wish we had known this b/f we made the mess of things ( still
Comments inline:
I shall reply to you, but my 2 cents applies to other
comments in this thread; so apols if I bang on about
stuff that
you have not directly or indirectly commented on.
1. We in the community should not be expecting Sun
to be addressing all of the shortcomings in
Kaiwai Gardiner writes:
I think it would be great if Sun gave these sorts of tasks a bit more
priority and started to seriously consider the desktop market. It's
not
high margin like selling mainframes, but I'd think Sun could make a
serious
competitor to Microsoft and Apple if we
On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 05:59 -0700, Orvar Korvar
wrote:
There is lots of Linux right now. Apparently Con
Kolivas, one of the Kernel hackers left, because his
fair kernel scheduler was rejected by Linus, and
later a similar scheduler was accepted.
Here are some info
Hi andrewk9,
Comments inline:
Ditto (as they should be ;-) ) with snippages...
No software is perfect, as I think you acknowledge. I totally that it is up
to the community to engage itself in the process.
I remember a piece of software 25 years ago called The Last One. I think that
its
Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've used SuSE 10.2 - if you're happy to avoid the bugs that you can fly
a 747 through. Beta quality compilers, drivers and libraries. Crappy
KDE/OpenOffice.org integration (specifically kslaves/openoffice.org) -
its horrific - ship first, hide bugs
On 7/31/07, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 23:43 -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
One could argue that not only does Solaris need more users,
but its
quality rather than quantity. If the vast majority of the 40%
are penny
At what?
Little old me probably can't help you if you are
oblivious to why Windows is the most successful
personal computer software system of all time. You
might want to start looking at developer community
and support, user community and support, usability,
system compatibility, and
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
I think the 40% was a rectum pluck
Rectum pluck? Charming.
Jim
--
http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris
___
opensolaris-discuss mailing list
opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Shafayet Hossain writes:
That mean i don't have to change /etc/inet/ipnodes
in Solaris 10 update 4 and later. Is that correct?
This document totally confused me. its saying that
It's correct.
Why is this difference?
/etc/inet/ipnodes is now just a symlink to
/etc/inet/hosts, as is
Mike DeMarco writes:
/etc/inet/ipnodes is now just a symlink to
/etc/inet/hosts, as is
[...]
well its about time. ipnodes has bit me more times then I care to recall.
Yes. It was a mistake, and it bit us as well.
For what it's worth, it was a confluence of problems. Back when IPv6
was
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
the issues experienced trying to setup printers in Solaris, its a
nightmare
One thing I wouldn't mind seeing is CUPS + Gutenprint + Foomatic - given
Foomatic and Gutenprint are in Solaris today. Foomatic is reasonably
current, but could use an update. We are in the
I think you misunderstand average users. Pretty is
nice, but not necessary. We require our computers to
work easily. We would like to be able to fix them if
they break.
Let us, for the purpose of making a point, assume that you are 100% correct in
your statements.
Following from those,
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
what's the marketing value of all those thousands of employees having
open conversations with tens of thousands of developers around the
world? I'd much rather we do that than print ads in magazines. But a
little of both is good. :)
Blogs are good for technical
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 00:50 +0900, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Basically Windows maintains its share through superior hardware support
and software availability - unless Sun is willign to splash around money
to software vendors to get them to port their software, its
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 16:59 +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote:
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
what's the marketing value of all those thousands of employees having
open conversations with tens of thousands of developers around the
world? I'd much rather we do that than print ads in magazines. But a
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 09:21 -0700, Christopher Mahan wrote:
Slightly off-thread since now deep in marketing voodoo.
I agree with both Jim Grisanzio and Matthew:
There are different messages that need to go to different people.
Each type of person out there responds better to a different
Slightly off-thread since now deep in marketing voodoo.
I agree with both Jim Grisanzio and Matthew:
There are different messages that need to go to different people.
Each type of person out there responds better to a different kind of
marketing message.
Let's not forget that marketing does
No, I havent tried it as I am a noob.
Anyway, I got Solaris b68 installed and running now. Thanks for your help!
This message posted from opensolaris.org
___
opensolaris-discuss mailing list
opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Well, I am not going to tune the kernel, but I was just wondering. Ok, Solaris
has several different tunable schedulers, whereas Linux has one. Linux
scheduler is aimed at server use, presumably solaris kernel is also. I wonder,
is Solaris snappier than Linux, then? There are complaints on
On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Good one. If you are going to target the desktop, games is a must
since OpenSolaris already offers enough to cover mundane users like
word processing, Internet browsing and email.
Maybe a new and separate set of stable interfaces for a
On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 12:11 -0700, Edward McAuley
wrote:
Uh, let's see. Beautiful interface (as attractive
as the Mac or Vista), intuitively laid out, ease of
use, UNIX (like), open source...it's already here.
You can download it or buy it.
Suse 10.2
Please look at this latest
--- Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But at the same time, you need managers who are confident about
what
they're saying. I've seen webcasts in the past, who, bless their
cotton
socks, knew what they were talking about but lacked confidence and
presence when delivering the message
Nice!!
Thanks for testing on this, I have been keeping eye on this post for any new
updates... waiting for the final way to install it
Thanks again...
This message posted from opensolaris.org
___
opensolaris-discuss mailing list
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 12:12 -0500, Norm Jacobs wrote:
Windows hosted printers should work from Solaris Nevada. If you bring
up the printmgr and add a New Network Printer, you should be able to
select URI for the protocol, and set the destination to an SMB uri
(smb://window-box/printer).
Windows hosted printers should work from Solaris Nevada. If you bring
up the printmgr and add a New Network Printer, you should be able to
select URI for the protocol, and set the destination to an SMB uri
(smb://window-box/printer). Since Windows expects the client side to
generate printer
On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 11:19 -0700, John Martinez wrote:
On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Good one. If you are going to target the desktop, games is a must
since OpenSolaris already offers enough to cover mundane users like
word processing, Internet browsing and email.
Hey tripivceta,
Whenever the group *for*
Solaris==Server==Xterm==Niche_product
ecomes very vocal it concerns me.
Why? Are you afraid of the command line? If you are (note the IF), don't
reject an opportunity to learn something. Learn, be enlightened, and be a
better person for it.
I'm
I look forward to this quite a bit. I would really like to see a laptop system
with this as the base OS. If it could include the media friendly things like
chat, web cams and music it would be my preferred system, Right now I work
mostly on my Sun 280R running Solaris 10 and keep a windows
Well, I am not going to tune the kernel, but I was
just wondering.
This isn't kernel tuning, not on Solaris. This is something you simply switch.
Then you can control the various parameters while the system is running,
without rebooting.
In general, Solaris needs no kernel tuning, since most
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Hardware - ATI drivers anyone? drivers for webcams, flash card readers,
sound cards out of the box etc. etc. again, 2 years of opensolaris, even
more since Solaris x86 support came back and there are still major
issues.
What can the opensolaris community do? nothing,
Is this is not applicable to OpenSolaris, then are there plans to
remove, or at least hide, the update manager that is present in the
notification area?
-Original Message-
From: Alan Coopersmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:00 AM
To: Aaron Epps
Cc:
I'm talking about Solaris Express... So, if there are never going to be
any patches issued for Solaris Express, then why have the Update-Manager
applet loaded on the default gnome panel? For that matter, why not just
remove or hide it all together if it's not going to ever be used in
Solaris
I don't think you will be disappointed.
In fact most of the things you refer to are already in Solaris Express.
I Run Solaris Express DE on my laptop and Ultra 20 and can't complain about
either. Things that you have mentioned such as music and chat work out of the
box, I get my media codecs
I even once read that if a situation occurs where Linux is
faster than Solaris, Solaris engineers treat that as a bug in
Solaris and assign it high priority to fix.
Guess you are talking about this:
http://blogs.sun.com/pgdh/entry/if_linux_is_faster_it
Venky.
Christopher Mahan wrote:
There's an impedance issue. The managers don't know as much as the
engineers, and the CIOs won't listen to the engineers. (they don't
here) So it the CIOs want to really know the true nitty-gritty, they
have to learn to listen to engineers. I will also say that the
So, I gave Solaris 10 (11/06) a shot. Solaris barfed all over me; like
a girlfriend you love but who just can't get it together, it wouldn't
get past the initial display probe and gave me an unintelligible (read
bank) GUI screen. So it was a text based install, which I don't mind,
as with
Kaiwai:
I'm surprised that Sun can't get access to those windows codecs under
the agreement which Sun and Microsoft signed.
I don't think access to the codecs is the problem. Paying the
royalties required to distribute the IP is more likely the issue.
Especially when only a percentage of
It would make it easier for some of us to deploy OpenSolaris.
-Brian
___
opensolaris-discuss mailing list
opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Brian Gupta wrote:
It would make it easier for some of us to deploy OpenSolaris.
How can Sun support something that changes every couple of weeks and
doesn't support patching?
I suppose they could provide a help line with a recorded message please
upgrade the the latest release :)
Ian
On 8/1/07, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brian Gupta wrote:
It would make it easier for some of us to deploy OpenSolaris.
How can Sun support something that changes every couple of weeks and
doesn't support patching?
I suppose they could provide a help line with a recorded message
On 8/1/07, Brian Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kaiwai:
I'm surprised that Sun can't get access to those windows codecs under
the agreement which Sun and Microsoft signed.
I don't think access to the codecs is the problem. Paying the
royalties required to distribute the IP is more
60 matches
Mail list logo
