Re: [osol-discuss] [solarisx86] Picking a Laptop for S10/x86

2008-03-13 Thread a b
> Sure there is. :-)> > So, here comes a history lesson as all of this has been > talked about> before to death. I thank you kindly for the effort, but I should tell you at this point that I closely follow the development of OpenSolaris. How closely? How about down to monitoring the changelo

Re: [osol-discuss] [solarisx86] Picking a Laptop for S10/x86

2008-03-13 Thread a b
> Actually, we are usually accused of going too far towards catering towards> > that sort of user Yes, you are, but just look who the accusations come from, people that want to stick stuff in /usr (in plain English: "I've no clue what System V is, nor what standards are, and can barely turn t

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Bonnie Corwin
Dennis Clarke wrote: >> I talked to the PM from the Sun Download Center today and they >> understand that the lack of wget access is a major issue. >> > > Thanks for looking into this. It is, at least for me, a total show stopper > and ever since the migration to the new SDLC I have not bothered t

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke wrote: >>> I talked to the PM from the Sun Download Center today and they >>> understand that the lack of wget access is a major issue. >>> >> >> Thanks for looking into this. It is, at least for me, a total show stopper >> and ever since the migration to the new SDLC I have not bo

Re: [osol-discuss] [solarisx86] Picking a Laptop for S10/x86

2008-03-13 Thread Shawn Walker
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:47 AM, a b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glen Lagasse Wrote: > > Sure there is. :-) > > > > So, here comes a history lesson as all of this has been talked about > > before to death. > > But I think the biggest issue is that there's no application packaging > developer's

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Shawn Walker
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since we are talking about the Solaris Express "Community" Edition here why > not just stick the ISO onto OpenSolaris.org somewhere ? Because the community edition still has components that are under legal agreements th

Re: [osol-discuss] [solarisx86] Picking a Laptop for S10/x86

2008-03-13 Thread Manish Chakravarty
Just had a look at the links. Makes for an interesting read. Thanks for sending the links over! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Lagasse Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:15 AM To: UNIX admin Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subj

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Shawn Walker
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then that license needs to be "fixed" or we need to figure out if > OpenSolaris is inside Sun or not. It can't be fixed as it is right now. The legal requirements are dictated by third parties. Why do you think Sun is w

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Since we are talking about the Solaris Express "Community" Edition here >> why >> not just stick the ISO onto OpenSolaris.org somewhere ? > > Because the community edition still has components that are under > lega

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Then that license needs to be "fixed" or we need to figure out if >> OpenSolaris is inside Sun or not. > > It can't be fixed as it is right now. The legal requirements are > dictated by third parties. > > Why do you

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Then that license needs to be "fixed" or we need to figure out if >>> OpenSolaris is inside Sun or not. >> It can't be fixed as it is right now. The legal requirements are >> dictated by third

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
>> However, if I were at RealNetworks and I was told that 7000 people >> downloaded and are running the RealPlayer last month, without logging in >> somewhere first, then I'd be pretty happy with that. > > Unless you knew that was going to get you in legal hot water with the > companies you licens

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Cyril Plisko
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Bonnie Corwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> I talked to the PM from the Sun Download Center today and they > >> understand that the lack of wget access is a major issue. > >> > > > > Thanks for looking into this. It is, at least for me,

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread James Carlson
Dennis Clarke writes: > The problem here is that insanity is running the show. Sort of like the RIAA > going after some little lady and her three kids for downloading a song. Gee, > yeah, that will fix the problem. What exactly will it take to make it clear that the legal rules here are *NOT* of S

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke writes: >> The problem here is that insanity is running the show. Sort of like the >> RIAA >> going after some little lady and her three kids for downloading a song. >> Gee, >> yeah, that will fix the problem. > > What exactly will it take to make it clear that the legal rules here

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
>> This is not an option. The Solaris Express releases (both Developer and >> Community) are available under a license that does not allow >> re-distribution. Therefore, we can not post on opensolaris.org. > > Permission [or lack of thereof] to redistribute materials and posting > via opensol

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread James Carlson
Dennis Clarke writes: > > What exactly will it take to make it clear that the legal rules here > > are *NOT* of Sun's making? > > Place a notice on the homepage of OpenSolaris.org that tells the > new user what the situation is. That seems like a reasonable request to me. There's already one on

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Download Center and wget

2008-03-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Dennis Clarke writes: >> > What exactly will it take to make it clear that the legal rules here >> > are *NOT* of Sun's making? >> >> Place a notice on the homepage of OpenSolaris.org that tells the >> new user what the situation is. > > That seems like a reasonable request to me. There's alrea

[osol-discuss] Roadmap outdated

2008-03-13 Thread Justin
The Roadmap on opensolaris.org is very outdated. It claims there has been no progress since April of 2007. I've noticed a new release, but it's hard to find out what has been changed. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] How can I try SUN xVM

2008-03-13 Thread Alan Beard
Easy as Download the latest DVD, at this time, Build 84. Install on a system, I use AMD64, Dual core 4000, $70 MSI mainboard. If the network card is not seen, use an Intel PRO100(from an old PC). Use at least an 80Gb SATA disk. If you have more than 3Gb ram, after the system is loaded,

Re: [osol-discuss] Kernel panic: BAD TRAP: type=e

2008-03-13 Thread Alan Beard
1) How much memory do you have? With 4Gb of memory, I've had all sorts of problems. Do: eeprom physmem=60; reboot This will allocate, just over 2Gb after the kernel is loaded. 32bit PCI card (and mainboard) drivers have problems. Keep Smiling //Alan beardal at unixservice dot com dot au

Re: [osol-discuss] Support for AMD 780G chipset? OMG!!!

2008-03-13 Thread Alan Beard
All I want is this: Can I run the current xVM kernel on this mainboard with 8Gb of memory? ie. All drivers, SATA, ethernet, graphics, USB all 64bit. Keep Smiling //Alan This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Intel wireless 4965 issues with Intel graphic 965

2008-03-13 Thread Hajir
Hi Andy, The sad part is I can't get back to X anymore unless I reinstall the OS and not install the WL driver. Any clue when the new one is coming up? I am eagerly sitting here to download the new release and start using my Solaris X window! :D Cheers! This message posted from opensolaris

[osol-discuss] Any news on the new release? snv_85/86?

2008-03-13 Thread Hajir
Hi everyone, After 5 days figuring out how to install Solaris on my new VAIO laptop, I ended up with a bug on snv_79 on having both Graphic and Wireless card from one vendor, http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=54263&tstart=0. I have heard it has been fixed on later builds. Ki

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news on the new release? snv_85/86?

2008-03-13 Thread Curt Rebelein, Junior
If you look here -> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ You'll see this -> "It is updated every other Friday." Under the "Solaris Express Community Edition" section. Assuming that is the release that you are looking for, b85 is due next Friday, the 21st of March. Good luck w/your wireless

[osol-discuss] New ZFS NAS Build, HW opinions/experiences wanted...

2008-03-13 Thread Curt Rebelein, Junior
I'm currently in the process of obtaining new hardware for a ZFS NAS built on OpenSolaris. Thus far I have the following list of hardware picked out -> ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP Motherboard AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Brisbane 2.3GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris memory limits?

2008-03-13 Thread Alan Beard
My experience: svn_84 on MSI mainboard AMD64 Dual core with 4Gb ram, no problems with the normal kernel. BUT, with the xVM kernel, lots of problems, caused me to get another system with 2Gb ram, did I have a real hardware failure??? Problems fixed with: eeprom physmem=60 So, just over 2Gb is

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news on the new release? snv_85/86?

2008-03-13 Thread Hajir
Hi Rebby! Yeah, I kinda crossed my fingers for that! I was just thinking of cheating, getting is sooner! ;) Cheers! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] New ZFS NAS Build, HW opinions/experiences wanted...

2008-03-13 Thread Alan Beard
Too much memory! My experience thus far with a MSI Platinum mainboard is, with the xVM kernel you will need to trim down the memory with: eeprom physmem=60 This will leave you with just over 2Gb of your 4Gb for user processes. A bit poor, but, we wait for the driver developers to address