Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike Kupfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joerg> I did hear from Dworking and Frank that the idea that started 2.5 > Joerg> years ago has been ap[proved in spring. > > Joerg> I don't know what to do now > > I'm working to figure out who can act as a sponsor. Dworkin was a > natural fit, but

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-28 Thread Mike Kupfer
Joerg> I did hear from Dworking and Frank that the idea that started 2.5 Joerg> years ago has been ap[proved in spring. Joerg> I don't know what to do now I'm working to figure out who can act as a sponsor. Dworkin was a natural fit, but alas, he is leaving Sun soon. Once we've found a spo

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike Kupfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg> But currently, I don't believe that community driven integration > Joerg> is possible soon as there already is an aproval for star > Joerg> integration but asking about a realization did not end up in a > Joerg> useful discussion. > > Yes, and I apol

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-27 Thread Mike Kupfer
Joerg> We need an reasy to read proposal that is either structured Joerg> cleanly top down or buttom up. I am sorry, but the text I did see Joerg> from John needs some polishing to match this criteria. I suspect John would agree with you. :-) Joerg> But currently, I don't believe that community

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-27 Thread Stephen Lau
Eric Schrock wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 06:14:57PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: The integration process needs to be defined at all. Currently I see that some proposals made to this list are taken and implemented and other don't even get a reply. If the integration process is not well def

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-27 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 06:14:57PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > The integration process needs to be defined at all. > > Currently I see that some proposals made to this list are taken and > implemented > and other don't even get a reply. > > If the integration process is not well defined,

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike Kupfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's true that the review process for OpenSolaris is not yet > well-defined. John Beck and folks are working on a proposal for that. The integration process needs to be defined at all. Currently I see that some proposals made to this list are taken and i

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please note that as long as there is no pkgadd(1M) on OpenSolaris, it does > > not make sense to mention packages at all. > > Fair enough, regardless of how OpenSolaris is distributed, I suspect that > there will continue to be a need to identify which

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-26 Thread Mike Kupfer
>> If the ksh93 program has good interface documentation already, then >> going through a review process should be easy enough. If not, then >> those people interested in bringing it into OpenSolaris may have some >> footwork to do to meet documentation requirements. Joerg> Your remarks are nice

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-26 Thread John Plocher
Brian Cameron wrote: it will probably take a bit of time for the processes to be worked out. It's probably better than OpenSolaris is working out the process now with community involvement rather than trying to simply dictate what the process should be. Please check out the OpenSolaris:CAB-d

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-26 Thread Brian Cameron
Joerg: Within Sun, certain processes are defined by the ARC (Architectural Review Committeee) to help ensure interface stability. Over the past year, I have been working with the Sun ARC chairs to determine how free software, OpenSolaris, and interface stability process will all get along. A

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Within Sun, certain processes are defined by the ARC (Architectural Review > Committeee) to help ensure interface stability. Over the past year, I have > been working with the Sun ARC chairs to determine how free software, > OpenSolaris, and interface st

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-25 Thread David . Comay
So, this all begs the question, why isn't Sun making more of an effort to define a workable OpenSolaris process for interface review. There should be something on the http://www.opensolaris.org/ website addressing this topic, even if it just says "We are working on figuring it out. Here are the

[osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was "process")

2005-07-25 Thread Brian Cameron
Roy: On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:43 AM, John Beck wrote: The first is that all the mechanisms which you rail against are in fact how things work now. Yes. I intend to change that. Everybody involved with Open and Free software is involved with changing how things work. I think it is great th