On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 21:04 +, Peter Tribble wrote:
On 2/5/07, Laszlo (Laca) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another library from the GNOME community is libxml2, which is
now used all over Solaris. I'm currently working on updating
it in Solaris 10 to a version that is 2 years newer.
On 2/5/07, Laszlo (Laca) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another library from the GNOME community is libxml2, which is
now used all over Solaris. I'm currently working on updating
it in Solaris 10 to a version that is 2 years newer. The diff
is 10+ lines (not counting the Makefile changes)
-ok there you are, i was lookin' for this post,
Hi All,
I have a few (3) Questions at the bottom, for you opensolaris developers, et
all.
But, first of all, thanks for OpenSolaris ! it works great (now, to get
Mplayer, and DVD:Rip goin' :) yup, its now workin'... betiful. mmm, The
On 2/5/07, James C. McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josh Hurst wrote:
On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And how far have the star or ksh projects progressed? The last one
appears to be in serious trouble now because Sun has to complain about
every little detail and
Josh Hurst wrote:
On 2/5/07, James C. McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Ok Josh, how about you provide detail on which of those rules
Sun is suddenly pushing forward, and why they are mindless. If
they truly are mindless then it would be really good for other
people to find out why.
Few
Josh Hurst writes:
Few examples:
Why is it required to remove .so and lint libraries?
We're currently discussing it. The issue is that the libraries in
question are _NOT_ documented, and are not guaranteed any sort of
stability to those building separate applications.
As they're not
Josh Hurst wrote:
Few examples:
Why is it required to remove .so and lint libraries? You don't do that
for X11 even when the API is not public.
What private API's does X11 provide .so lint libraries for? I can't
think of any.
Why is is necessary to demand the removal of diff files from the
Josh Hurst wrote:
Why is it required to remove .so and lint libraries? You don't do that
for X11 even when the API is not public.
Please see the architectural policy on libraries at
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/libraries/
In particular, note W2 and W3 in that document.
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, John Plocher wrote:
JDS doesn't grok Gnome session files from Linux.
Blame this directly on GNOME - their config file formats have
been wildly unstable between versions, making it difficult to
reuse them across versions. IMHO, GNOME was not designed to work
in an
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 09:24 -0800, John Plocher wrote:
Josh Hurst wrote:
JDS doesn't grok Gnome session files from Linux.
Blame this directly on GNOME - their config file formats have
been wildly unstable between versions, making it difficult to
reuse them across versions.
That's right.
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 10:04 -0800, Rich Teer wrote:
In fact, one might argue that had the GNOME project adopted some
of Sun's mindless rules (aka, sound engineering practices),
issues like this probably wouldn't have arisen in the first place.
Broad-ranging breakages and everything needing
On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And how far have the star or ksh projects progressed? The last one
appears to be in serious trouble now because Sun has to complain about
every little detail and the star project makes either zero progress or
no progress announcements.
The
Josh Hurst wrote:
On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And how far have the star or ksh projects progressed? The last one
appears to be in serious trouble now because Sun has to complain about
every little detail and the star project makes either zero progress or
no progress
Well duh..! As a community project one of the
measures of success is definitely community
participation and how big it is.
Not exactly. Success of a platform is measured by the availability of software
for that platform. Even the most advanced platform in the world is useless if
there is no
1) Community participation has remained very low. To
date greater than 90% (very unscientific and
conservative estimate) of OpenSolaris changes are
driven by Sun's business interests and they come from
Sun employees. (Look at commits, look at general
development direction - nothing there for
[i]In closing, if we want to attract programming talent and expertise, we
should more closely work with, and even help the BSD community, even if we have
to put on hold what we're doing on Solaris. Eventually the two communities
might jump in for each other, and both communities would benefit.
UNIX admin wrote:
We do need more people, but not the Linux hacker kind. All those would want to
do is muck with Solaris so that it looks, works and behaves like Linux.
Unfortunately, Linux suffers from serious lack of engineering and quality
control because everything is implemented ad-hoc
What I am about to say is fairly brutal, so if you're already upset,
don't read further.
--- UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please understand that one of the reasons Solaris is superior to
just about any other operating system out there is because Sun
engineering has implemented
Christopher Mahan wrote:
What I am about to say is fairly brutal, so if you're already upset,
don't read further.
You make some dramatic statements. However, I think some of them are off
somewhat. I wholeheartedly agree that open source needs to be embraced,
and quickly and aggressively. I
Added bonus:
http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/010807/PLEX_7264.pdf
via /. (http://slashdot.org/articles/07/02/03/1524250.shtml)
read the last line.
--- Christopher Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I am about to say is fairly brutal, so if you're already
upset,
don't read further.
If you'd like to do driver development for Solaris,
what's stopping you from going to docs.sun.com and
looking up the driver development guide?
I am frustrated to say that people repeatedly miss the point. To remind -
Those drivers were written long back ago (before OpenSolaris) by single
I am frustrated to say that people repeatedly miss
the point. To remind - Those drivers were written
long back ago (before OpenSolaris) by single person
for his own cause and he was kind enough to make them
available.
Incorrect. Those drivers (by Murayama-san) are still in development, and
That's what has
happened with Linux - it is good enough and does what
people want it to do and it is free. Why do I need to
wait for years just to make it run on my hardware
when Linux runs on it today and if it doesn't run the
way I like it - I can just fix it up and propagate
those
Also, Linux fails miserably in large enterprise
deployments, because the thing is simply not designed
for server farms with thousands of systems on them.
That's why your local ATM, or your bank or even your
insurance will never be powered by Linux and why they
will always either be run on
On 2/3/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am frustrated to say that people repeatedly miss
the point. To remind - Those drivers were written
long back ago (before OpenSolaris) by single person
for his own cause and he was kind enough to make them
available.
Incorrect. Those drivers
Yeah I can do that if I feel like doing it but that is not the point. Point is
to make OpenSolaris a place where people can easily contribute their changes.
Why would I need to discuss that sort of thing (making and propagating my own
changes) on this list?
What happens when number of
On 2/3/07, S Destika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah I can do that if I feel like doing it but that is not the point. Point is
to make OpenSolaris a place where people can easily contribute their changes.
Why would I need to discuss that sort of thing (making and propagating my own
changes) on
Wow thats a bunch of crazy statements right there -
you have insurmountable amount of ignorance here. ATM
machines run Linux
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banrisul - they
replaced MS-DOS here so your statement couldn't be
more funnier!) . Plenty of banks running Linux
successfully - do a
[...]
That's true too and Alan I _really_ appreciate that
you are the only Sun employee to admit that. But I
think the reality is that OpenSolaris has made no
progress whatsoever and when I say that I will not
ignore defining and quantifying it -
So let us see what was the prime objective
That's true too and Alan I _really_ appreciate that you are the only Sun
employee to admit that. But I think the reality is that OpenSolaris has made no
progress whatsoever and when I say that I will not ignore defining and
quantifying it -
So let us see what was the prime objective of
On 2/2/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josh Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/2/07, Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want it to go faster, then participate.
Many of us are waiting that the first community project integrates.
We'd like to see that
On 2/2/07, Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want it to go faster, then participate.
Many of us are waiting that the first community project integrates.
We'd like to see that Opensolaris.org is really an Open organisation
where community projects can succeed. So far you lack a
And how far have the star or ksh projects progressed? The last one
appears to be in serious trouble now because Sun has to complain about
every little detail and the star project makes either zero progress or
no progress announcements.
The only problem in the ksh93 project is people who are not
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see no problem; it's progressing as we expected. As they
say, you may like sausages, but you may not want to see them made.
Maybe we want to know what's in the sausage.
Chris Mahan
818.943.1850 cell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah, everyone wants organic sausages. Dump the E-number stuff. But then,
for some of these we don't know yet how ... when talking about the Solaris
sausage.
I guess you fell hook, line and sinker for the E-numbers are
(dangerous) chemicals ploy.
Most of them are ordinary checmicals you'll
William James writes:
Really? Most in the community don't share this opinion. Ben, David,
Jesup, Tobias, Bruno, Markus and I are betting right now whether the
ksh93 integration will succeed or not.
Bets are 6:1 that it'll fail (I try to be optimistic but I am alone
with this opinion).
At
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, everyone wants organic sausages. Dump the E-number stuff. But then,
for some of these we don't know yet how ... when talking about the Solaris
sausage.
I guess you fell hook, line and sinker for the E-numbers are
(dangerous) chemicals ploy.
Josh Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/2/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Josh Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/2/07, Stephen Harpster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want it to go faster, then participate.
Many of us are waiting that the first community project
NOTE: send an email to Derek Cicero to have your email changed.
On Thursday 01 February 2007 06:36 pm, S Destika wrote:
It depends on how you define progress. I agree that most Sun folks feel
they have made good progress but like marketing folks they conveniently
ignore defining and
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank
you.[/b]
James C. McPherson wrote:
Hi Erast,
I *really* do not understand why you appear to be
so concerned
about how large or extensive the OpenSolaris
community actually
is.
Yes, the number of those who
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank
you.[/b]
How nice of you.
S Destika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was about to send a repy but now I won't.
Casper
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S Destika wrote:
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank
you.[/b]
James C. McPherson wrote:
Hi Erast, I *really* do not understand why you appear to be
so concerned
about how large or extensive the OpenSolaris
community actually
is.
Yes, the number of
S Destika wrote:
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank
you.[/b]
If you cannot be bothered setting up a valid email
address for the mailing lists then perhaps you're
not really interested in being part of the community.
James C. McPherson
--
Solaris kernel
On Thursday 01 February 2007 02:37 pm, James C. McPherson wrote:
S Destika wrote:
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank
you.[/b]
If you cannot be bothered setting up a valid email
address for the mailing lists then perhaps you're
not really interested in
[b] To all - Please fix the forum s/w to allow me to change my email ID and I
promise I will do it next moment - please STOP complaining about it. I believe
it should be fixed the right way - which benefits all - by fixing the forum
software.[/b]
It's kind of interesting seeing a substantial
disregard my previous post - I didn't realise that you were having
issues changing it. email me your new email address and i'll update
your account.
cheers,
steve
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:36:03PM -0800, S Destika wrote:
[b] To all - Please fix the forum s/w to allow me to change my email ID
I could accept every line of your post,but please don't forget that GPL is not
freedom,its a little great community's extortion to a single developer.The
choice to release modified source code should be a logical step without
impositions because its more *convenient* for me and for open
S Destika wrote On 02/02/07 07:22,:
[b]Do not reply to me - I read this forum. My email ID is INVALID. Thank
you.[/b]
James C. McPherson wrote:
Hi Erast,
I *really* do not understand why you appear to be
so concerned
about how large or extensive the OpenSolaris
community actually
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