Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Pending removal of X-IO volume driver

Status update. Our CI is back up and has been passing tests successfully for ~18h now. I will keep a close eye on it to make sure it stays up. Sorry about the down time. Richard -Original Message- From: Hedlind, Richard [mailto:richard.hedl...@x-io.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016

[openstack-dev] [nova] Nova API sub-team meeting

Hi, We have weekly Nova API meeting tomorrow. The meeting is being held Wednesday UTC1300 and irc channel is #openstack-meeting-4. The proposed agenda and meeting details are here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI Please feel free to add items to the agenda. Thanks

Re: [openstack-dev] [puppet] weekly meeting #89

first agenda: > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20160802 > > Feel free to add topics, and any outstanding bug and patch. > > See you tomorrow! > Thanks, > -- > Emilien Macchi -- Emilien Macchi

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 02/08/2016 15:42, Flavio Percoco wrote: > On 01/08/16 10:19 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: >> On 08/01/2016 09:58 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: >>> Thierry, Ben, Doug, >>> >>> How can we distinguish between. "Project is doing the right thing, but >>> others are not joining" vs "Project is actively

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 8/2/16, 7:17 AM, "Ed Leafe" wrote: >On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > >> For example tripleo is single-vendor, but is doing all the right things >>to >> dig out of single vendor by doing actual community building. They >>aren't >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [infra] Switch 'all?' openstack bots to errbot plugins?

On 29/07/16 13:57 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Joshua Harlow's message of 2016-07-29 10:35:18 -0700: I prefer 'one bucket repo for OpenStack community Errbot plug-ins' since I don't like a bunch of repos (seems like a premature optimization ~at this time~), but I could see either

Re: [openstack-dev] pydotplus (taskflow) vs pydot-ng (fuel)

Hi Thomas, If I'm not mistaken, pydot-ng [1] has been made by ex-fueler in order to overcome some limitations of pydot ( and do not change much. If pydotplus is alive project and do the same thing, I vote for using it in Fuel. Thanks, Igor [1]: https://pypi.io/project/pydot-ng/ On Tue, Aug 2,

[openstack-dev] [juju charms] How to configure glance charm for specific cnider backend?

Hi All, I need to add glance support via storing images in cinder instead of local files. (This works only from Mitaka version due to glance-store package) First step I've made here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348336/ This patchset adds ability to relate glance-charm to cinder-charm (it's

[Openstack] (keystone/horizon) ActiveDirectory/ldap for users/groups

Sean, I would like to help you, but I need more information 1. could you please explain what means your phrase: "On the command line with ldapsearch, users and groups can be listed (so the attributes configured should be ok?)" 2. please try to use curl to debug: - uncomment "admin_token = ADMIN"

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 02/08/16 09:17 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: For example tripleo is single-vendor, but is doing all the right things to dig out of single vendor by doing actual community building. They aren't just trying, but are trying

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 01/08/16 10:28 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Sean, So we will programatically test the metrics (if we are not doing that already) to apply/remove "team:single-vendor" tag: https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/team_single-vendor.html And trigger exit when the tag is present for

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 01/08/16 10:19 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 08/01/2016 09:58 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Thierry, Ben, Doug, How can we distinguish between. "Project is doing the right thing, but others are not joining" vs "Project is actively trying to keep people out"? I think at some level, it's not

[openstack-dev] [nova] Removal of live_migration_flag and block_migration_flag config options

In Mitaka development cycle 'live_migration_flag' and 'block_migration_flag' have been marked as deprecated for removal. I'm working on a patch [1] to remove both of them and want to ask what we should do with live_migration_tunnelled logic. The default configuration of both flags contain

[openstack-dev] [horizon] Angular panel enable/disable not overridable in local_settings

Hi all, So we seem to be adopting a pattern of using UPDATE_HORIZON_CONFIG in the enabled files to add a legacy/angular toggle to the settings. I don't like this, because in settings.py the enabled files are processed *after* local_settings.py imports, meaning the angular panel will always be

Re: [openstack-dev] [docker] [magnum] Magnum account on Docker Hub

I just filed a ticket to acquire the username openstackmagnum. I included Hongbin's contact information explaining that he's the project's PTL. Thanks Steve, Spyros On 2 August 2016 at 13:29, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > Ton, > > I may or may not have set it up early in

Re: [openstack-dev] [requirements] race in keystone unit tests

Hi Sean, Thanks for the information. This obviously looks Fernet-related and I would be happy to spend some cycles on it. We recently landed a bunch of refactors in keystone to improve Fernet test coverage. This could be related to those refactors. Just double checking - but you haven't opened a

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > For example tripleo is single-vendor, but is doing all the right things to > dig out of single vendor by doing actual community building. They aren't > just trying, but are trying *very* hard with their activities.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Does this api modification need Microversion?

On Aug 2, 2016, at 1:11 AM, han.ro...@zte.com.cn wrote: > Allow "revert_resize" to recover error instance after resize/migrate. > > When resize/migrate instance, if error occurs on source compute node, > instance state can rollback to active currently. But if error occurs in > "finish_resize"

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] os-virtual-interfaces isn't deprecated in 2.36

On 8/2/2016 2:41 AM, Alex Xu wrote: A little strange we have two API endpoints, one is '/servers/{uuid}/os-interfaces', another one is '/servers/{uuid}/os-virtual-interfaces'. I prefer to keep os-attach-interface. Due to I think we should deprecate the nova-network also. Actually we deprecate

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] [nova] [neutron] get_all_bw_counters in the Ironic virt driver

On 8/2/2016 6:22 AM, John Garbutt wrote: On 29 July 2016 at 19:58, Sean Dague wrote: On 07/29/2016 02:29 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 07/28/2016 09:02 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: On 07/28/2016 05:40 PM, Brad Morgan wrote: I'd like to solicit some advice about potentially

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 8/1/16, 8:38 AM, "Doug Hellmann" wrote: >Excerpts from Adrian Otto's message of 2016-08-01 15:14:48 +: >> I am struggling to understand why we would want to remove projects from >>our big tent at all, as long as they are being actively developed under >>the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] establishing project-wide goals

On 02/08/2016 14:37, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Hayes, Graham's message of 2016-08-02 11:53:37 +: >> On 29/07/2016 21:59, Doug Hellmann wrote: >>> One of the outcomes of the discussion at the leadership training >>> session earlier this year was the idea that the TC should set some

[Openstack-operators] Ops Meetups Team - Meeting in 5 minutes :)

Hello all, We have a meeting ~now :) ==> Tuesday, 2 of Aug at 1400 UTC[1] in #openstack-operators [2] will be kept up to date with information about the meeting time and agenda Regards, Tom [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ops+Meetups+Team=20160802T22=241

[openstack-dev] [ironic] weekly subteam status report

Hi, We are yodelling to present this week's subteam report for Ironic. As usual, this is pulled directly from the Ironic whiteboard[0] and formatted. Bugs (dtantsur) === - Stats (diff with 18 July 2016) - Ironic: 216 bugs (+15) + 204 wishlist items (+3). 21 new (+8), 160 in progress

[openstack-dev] pydotplus (taskflow) vs pydot-ng (fuel)

Hi, Fuel uses pydot-ng, and (at least) taskflow uses pydotplus. I believe both aren't using pydot because that's dead upstream. Could we have a bit of consistency here, and have one or the other component to switch, so we could get rid of one more package that does the same thing in downstream

[openstack-dev] [nova][tempest] testing different configurations by exploiting the mutate attribute?

IIUC, each gate testing job has a *fixed configuration* which will never be changed when executing *all* tempest tests. If I need to test a specific configuration, a new testing job is needed. As we have a limited amount of test nodes, this creates testing gaps as we cannot test all

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

Excerpts from Chris Dent's message of 2016-08-02 11:16:29 +0100: > On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, James Bottomley wrote: > > > Making no judgments about the particular exemplars here, I would just > > like to point out that one reason why projects exist with very little > > diversity is that they "just

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] establishing project-wide goals

Excerpts from Hayes, Graham's message of 2016-08-02 11:53:37 +: > On 29/07/2016 21:59, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > One of the outcomes of the discussion at the leadership training > > session earlier this year was the idea that the TC should set some > > community-wide goals for accomplishing

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] establishing project-wide goals

Excerpts from Shamail's message of 2016-08-01 22:37:28 -0500: > Thanks Doug, > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > Excerpts from Shamail Tahir's message of 2016-08-01 09:49:35 -0500: > >>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Doug Hellmann

[Openstack] (keystone/horizon) ActiveDirectory/ldap for users/groups

Hi, I’m having a bit of fun try to use AD for identifying and authorising Users on Openstack . The idea is to use AD for read-only access to users/group definitions, but all authorisation data to be stored in SQL. What works: Users can be authenticated (LDAP bind works, verification of the

[openstack-dev] [puppet] Temporarily unstable Fuel deployment test jobs

Dear colleagues, Please be informed that we are going to merge some patches on 08/02/2016 to Fuel repositories to switch from Mitaka to Newton packages. These patches will likely distabilize Fuel deployment tests for several days. We are going fix all major features till 08/08/2016 and get these

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] service validation during deployment steps

What about ability of service expert to plug-in remediation module? If remediation action succeed - proceed, if not then stop. Remediation module can be extended independently from main flow. Thanks, Arkady -Original Message- From: Steven Hardy [mailto:sha...@redhat.com] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] Why base image always be built each time build a specific image.

Paul, I think the cache isn't working exactly as you described for the base image. Not sure what is going on there - it could just be my misperception. However, as you point out the time spent "rebuilding" the base image is very small (under 30 seconds) so I don't believe its a pressing

Re: [Openstack] [OpenStack] Glance: Unable to create image.

Which guide are you using? I don't see any domains in your glance-api.conf or glance-registry.conf, an excerpt from Mitaka guide: ---cut here--- [keystone_authtoken] ... auth_uri = http://controller:5000 auth_url = http://controller:35357 memcached_servers = controller:11211 auth_type =

[openstack-dev] 答复: [neutron][dvr][fip] fg device allocated private ip address

Hi, You can leverage neutron-dynamic-routing to advertise floating ip to external router. https://github.com/openstack/neutron-dynamic-routing/blob/master/doc/source/functionality/route-advertisement.rst 发件人: huangdenghui [mailto:hdh_1...@163.com] 发送时间: 2016年8月2日 20:16 收件人: John Davidge 抄送:

[openstack-dev] [neutron][upgrades] Bi-weekly upgrades work status. 8/2/2016

Hi Neutrinos, As we are progressing with object implementation for neutron database resources, I would like to summarize the status. Please find the etherpad as up-to-date work status on object progress, TODOs/In progress/Done items: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-ovo-progress This

[openstack-dev] 答复: How to change openstack ID email

I never register with my gmail address, When I login with my gmail address, it prints "we are sorry, your username and password does not match an existing record". I think the question is my new email is not verified, can you tell me who can help to verify it? -邮件原件- 发件人: Tom Fifield

[openstack-dev] [nova] [scheduler] Use ResourceProviderTags instead of ResourceClass?

Chris have a thought about using ResourceClass to describe Capabilities with an infinite inventory. In the beginning we brain storming the idea of Tags, Tan Lin have same thought, but we say no very quickly, due to the ResourceClass is really about Quantitative stuff. But Chris give very good

Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron][dvr][fip] fg device allocated private ip address

hi john and brain thanks for your information, if we get patch[1],patch[2] merged,then fg can allocate private ip address. after that, we need consider floating ip dataplane, in current dvr implementation, fg is used to reachment testing for floating ip, now,with subnet types bp,fg has

Re: [openstack-dev] How to change openstack ID email

Hi, Did you try logging in with your @gmail.com address ? :) Regards, Tom On 02/08/16 19:04, zhuna wrote: Dear, I had an openstack ID with my company email address(na...@cn.ibm.com), I change my company recently, so I add an company affiliation with my new company name. Now the question

Re: [openstack-dev] Nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa core

+1 On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Dmitry Tyzhnenko wrote: > +1 > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Artur Svechnikov < > asvechni...@mirantis.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Best regards, >> Svechnikov Artur >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Andrey Sledzinskiy < >>

Re: [openstack-dev] Nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa core

A huge +1, Vladimir make a great job! On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Dmitry Tyzhnenko wrote: > +1 > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Artur Svechnikov < > asvechni...@mirantis.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Best regards, >> Svechnikov Artur >> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at

Re: [openstack-dev] [all][tc] establishing project-wide goals

On 29/07/2016 21:59, Doug Hellmann wrote: > One of the outcomes of the discussion at the leadership training > session earlier this year was the idea that the TC should set some > community-wide goals for accomplishing specific technical tasks to > get the projects synced up and moving in the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] focused review pipeline of bug fix changes?

We discussed the possible technical solutions but didn't get attention if we see the need to do that. As none of the core reviewers or subteam leaders reacted to the proposal, I conclude that this is not an issue where we need to put our limited resources at. This post is just informational to

Re: [openstack-dev] 回复： [neutron]dragonflow deployment incorrectness

If you deploy dragonflow by devstack, please provide local.conf. Dragonflow uses df-l3-agent for SNAT only. On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:45 AM, shihanzhang wrote: > As I know, now dragonflow still use neutron l3-agent for snat, so the > l3-agent is enabled and router

Re: [openstack-dev] [docker] [magnum] Magnum account on Docker Hub

Ton, I may or may not have set it up early in Magnum's development. I just don't remember. My recommendation is to file a support ticket with docker and see if they will tell you who it belongs to (as in does it belong to one of the founders of Magnum) or if it belongs to some other third

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] Driver composition defaults call

On 2016-08-01 3:25 PM, Julia Kreger wrote: Greetings! As discussed in our meeting today[0], we would like to try and schedule a time for a VoIP call so we can discuss driver composition[1] defaults with the goal of reaching a consensus on defaults. Reading a January meeting log surprised

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] [nova] [neutron] get_all_bw_counters in the Ironic virt driver

On 29 July 2016 at 19:58, Sean Dague wrote: > On 07/29/2016 02:29 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: >> On 07/28/2016 09:02 PM, Devananda van der Veen wrote: >>> On 07/28/2016 05:40 PM, Brad Morgan wrote: I'd like to solicit some advice about potentially implementing

Re: [Openstack] Heat template - retrieving a ports ID?

On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: > outputs: >port: > value: { get_attr: [port, port_id] } > description: The port ID If I try to use (the more obvious) value: { get_resource: port } I get: Value must be a string which I assume is because it's empty

[openstack-dev] How to change openstack ID email

Dear, I had an openstack ID with my company email address(na...@cn.ibm.com), I change my company recently, so I add an company affiliation with my new company name. Now the question is I can not login openstack (https://openstackid.org/accounts/user/login) by

Re: [openstack-dev] Nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa core

+1 On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Artur Svechnikov wrote: > +1 > > Best regards, > Svechnikov Artur > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Andrey Sledzinskiy < > asledzins...@mirantis.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'd like to nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa [0] core.

Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla] Why base image always be built each time build a specific image.

Zhijiang, You will see lines relating to the base image each time you build, however, they should be cached so will add almost no additional time to the build. -Paul On 21/07/16 09:48, hu.zhiji...@zte.com.cn wrote: Hi, When I use the following command to build keystone image, I saw

Re: [openstack-dev] [gnocchi] Support for other drivers - influxdb

On Tue, Aug 02 2016, Sam Morrison wrote: Hi Sam! > We have been using gnocchi for a while now with the influxDB driver > and are keen to get the influxdb driver back into upstream. > > However looking into the code and how it’s arranged it looks like > there are a lot of assumptions that the

[Openstack] Heat template - retrieving a ports ID?

Looking at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Neutron::FloatingIP I see that one of the attributes ('exports'?) is: port_id ID of the port associated with this IP. However, when trying to use that in an output: outputs: port: value: {

[openstack-dev] [requirements] race in keystone unit tests

One of my concerns about stacking up project unit tests in the requirements jobs, is the unit tests aren't as free of races as you would imagine. Because they only previously impacted the one project team, those teams are often just fast to recheck instead of get to the bottom of it. Cross testing

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On 08/02/2016 06:16 AM, Chris Dent wrote: > On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, James Bottomley wrote: > >> Making no judgments about the particular exemplars here, I would just >> like to point out that one reason why projects exist with very little >> diversity is that they "just work". Usually people get

Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance][Glare] External locations design

Hi Kairat, I think it's great to try and tease through the various issues here. I added some comments to the etherpad. -Stuart Hello all, I would like to start to describe some design decisions we made in Glare code (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/glare-api+status:open). If you

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] persistently single-vendor projects

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016, James Bottomley wrote: Making no judgments about the particular exemplars here, I would just like to point out that one reason why projects exist with very little diversity is that they "just work". Usually people get involved when something doesn't work or they need

[openstack-dev] error when restarting new driver

Hi all, I am getting the following error when I try to create a new cinder volume 2016-08-02 15:26:06.445 DEBUG cinder.scheduler.base_filter [req-cce76948-5eac-44d0-9d0c-115cfc03cb57 42ba08e7a7544cd28812de21aa5ce39e de3f38612acd4ec7a24c0325bd11389f] Starting with 0 host(s) from (pid=3023)

[Openstack-operators] [designate] No targets for pool

Hi, guys, I installed Designate service in a mitaka environment, designate-pool-manager and designate-central service are running but many errors in pool-manager.log 2016-08-01 05:39:39.497 24916 INFO designate.central.rpcapi [req-f45a284b-cc8f-4a08-8aeb-1657a26b7fd8 - - - - -]

Re: [openstack-dev] Nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa core

+1 Best regards, Svechnikov Artur On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Andrey Sledzinskiy < asledzins...@mirantis.com> wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa [0] core. > > Vladimir has become a valuable member of fuel-qa project in quite short > period of time. His solid

[openstack-dev] [nova] bugs team IRC meeting: biweekly-odd timeslot?

2 months ago I moved the biweekly-odd timeslot from 1000 to 0800 UTC [1] in the hope to be more accessible for folks in Asia. After these 2 months it got evident that this didn't work out. The number of participating people decreased. I'd like to move that meeting to another timeslot which fits

[openstack-dev] Nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa core

Hi, I'd like to nominate Vladimir Khlyunev for fuel-qa [0] core. Vladimir has become a valuable member of fuel-qa project in quite short period of time. His solid expertise and constant contribution gives me no choice but to nominate him for fuel-qa core. If anyone has any objections, speak now

Re: [Openstack] Launch an instance from the images tab

On Aug 2, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Eugen Block wrote: > No, I mean an instance snapshot ;-) Please see the attached screenshot of the > "launch instance" dialog. I filed a bug report for that: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1608565 That also works for me just fine.. Although the "Select

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][IPAM] Pluggable IPAM rollback issue

>Given that it shares the session, it wouldn't have to do anything. But, again, it wouldn't behave like an external driver. Why not? The only additional thing an external driver would be doing at this step is calling an external system. Any local accounting in the DB that driver would do would

[openstack-dev] [nova][neutron] bug 1608601 - how to proceed?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1608601 "create_port is failing for non admin context as Nova neutronclient interactions are not using admin context consistently" IIUC there *could* be issues if the default policy gets changed. I have no idea how to proceed with this bug. Is the mixed use

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] os-virtual-interfaces isn't deprecated in 2.36

2016-08-02 4:13 GMT+08:00 Matt Riedemann : > On 8/1/2016 1:39 PM, Ken'ichi Ohmichi wrote: > >> 2016-07-29 10:32 GMT-07:00 Sean Dague : >> >>> On 07/28/2016 05:38 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: >>> On 7/28/2016 3:55 PM, Matt Riedemann wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [HA] RFC: High Availability track at future Design Summits

Adam Spiers wrote: > I doubt anyone would dispute that High Availability is a really > important topic within OpenStack, yet none of the OpenStack > conferences or Design Summits so far have provided an "official" track > or similar dedicated space for discussion on HA topics. > [...] We do not

Re: [Openstack] Launch an instance from the images tab

No, I mean an instance snapshot ;-) Please see the attached screenshot of the "launch instance" dialog. I filed a bug report for that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1608565 Regards, Eugen Zitat von Turbo Fredriksson : On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Eugen Block

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] network_interface, defaults, and explicitness

The proposed approach is reasonable. Just a small adding. I think for a longterm concept it would be good to avoid setting binding_host_id in ironic virt_driver. We should force users to set it when 'binding_profile' is updated. It looks weird that we telling Neutron to bind port at one place and

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Does this api modification need Microversion?

patchset url: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334747/ Allow "revert_resize" to recover error instance after resize/migrate. When resize/migrate instance, if error occurs on source compute node, instance state can rollback to active currently. But if error occurs in "finish_resize"

Re: [openstack-dev] [OpenStack-Infra] Announcing Gertty 1.4.0

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:38:59 -0500 Mikhail Medvedev wrote: > > We essentially have two channels of information that we want to > > represent with color -- the diff, and the syntax. They can sometimes > > overlap. > > > > Perhaps we could use a 256 color (or even RGB)

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