Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-17 Thread James Knott
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >>> On Monday 12 February 2007 11:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: >>> Just for clarity, in 10.2 you can choose from several package >>> management systems. Under YaST->Software Management->Patterns both >>> > Where do you find "Patterns"? I followed the path as described

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-15 Thread Don Raboud
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 18:19, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > >> On Monday 12 February 2007 11:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: > >> Just for clarity, in 10.2 you can choose from several package > >> management systems. Under YaST->Software Management->Patterns both > > Where do you find "Patterns"? I follo

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-15 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
>> On Monday 12 February 2007 11:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: >> Just for clarity, in 10.2 you can choose from several package >> management systems. Under YaST->Software Management->Patterns both Where do you find "Patterns"? I followed the path as described but see nothing about "Patterns". --

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-15 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/12/2007 John E. Perry wrote: > Of course, I do wish the repository checking were more efficient. > Almost all the time it takes is under "checking for updates" and > "checking requirements", even though it has just turned orange because > updates were available. Then when it opens says "No U

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-15 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 Doug McGarrett wrote: > Firefox does not require Gnome. It runs perfectly well on KDE. I don't remember where I saw something about Firefox needing some Gnomish bits. Many Gnome apps run just fine in KDE if you have the proper bits installed to satisfy the dependencies. I'm sure ma

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-13 Thread Bryan Tyson
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 08:02 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: > I realized my desktop needed to update some > apps so I took some screenshots. Kai, Thanks for taking the time to post those. I am very interested now to try this out. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linu

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-13 Thread Kai Ponte
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 01:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue 13 Feb 2007 02:50, Bryan Tyson wrote: > > In my opinion, if the package system is > > unusable, the distro is unusable. > > ___ > > - Did one try SMART - is it possible that 'smart' can be the perfect > solution? > I wou

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-13 Thread John Pierce
I didn't pay for XP, it was a freebie from my hardware pusher, and still properly >licensed. Sure you did, the cost was just included in the price of the hardware. I don't think any hardware pusher would pay ms and not in turn charge you. -- John Registered Linux User 263680, get counted at ht

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps [OT]

2007-02-13 Thread Russell Jones
Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Frank Sinatra. (Yes, I know it's a Paul Anka song) :-) In this world of politcally correctness, it's hard to find someone who doesn't kneel! Yes, because pretty much everyone is politically correct, it's just a question of which politics... For what is a man, wh

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-13 Thread Mike McMullin
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 19:00 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Mike McMullin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-07 16:35]: > > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 20:41 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > Guess you need to build your on box and install xp, then see how you > > > can play dvds or cds. You *still* have

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-13 Thread riccardo35
On Tue 13 Feb 2007 05:51, Bryan Tyson wrote: > Does this mean you use smart instead of yast? - my belief is that one can use 'smart' to do everything { not 60 minutes, but more like 6 minutes } best :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-13 Thread Russell Jones
Don Raboud wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 11:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:13 -0800, J Sloan wrote: all systems here are running better than any previous release of linux I've tried. I think it runs just fine. I have no complaints about how it runs. My objec

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-13 Thread Russell Jones
Anders Johansson wrote: On Monday 12 February 2007 19:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:13 -0800, J Sloan wrote: all systems here are running better than any previous release of linux I've tried. I think it runs just fine. I have no complaints about how it runs. My

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-13 Thread riccardo35
On Tue 13 Feb 2007 02:50, Bryan Tyson wrote: > In my opinion, if the package system is > unusable, the distro is unusable. ___ - Did one try SMART - is it possible that 'smart' can be the perfect solution? Friendly Greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Kai Ponte
On Monday 12 February 2007 21:51, Bryan Tyson wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:12 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: > > SMART rox! > > I have it running on three systems and have no complaints. > > Does this mean you use smart instead of yast? Or does it somehow > supplement yast? > I should clarify - I ha

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Bryan Tyson
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:12 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote: > SMART rox! > I have it running on three systems and have no complaints. Does this mean you use smart instead of yast? Or does it somehow supplement yast? Thank you. Bryan -- *** Powered by Fedora Linux 6

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Bryan Tyson
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 13:07 -0700, Don Raboud wrote: > Just for clarity, in 10.2 you can choose from several package > management > systems. Under YaST->Software Management->Patterns both > Enterprise Software Management (ZENworks Linux Management) > and > openSUSE Software Management > are avai

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread M Harris
On Monday 12 February 2007 20:50, Bryan Tyson wrote: > In my opinion, if the package system is > unusable, the distro is unusable. If you think about that for a minute you'll realize how stupid it sounds. I must admit that my shop is *very* stable, but I haven't put a package on

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread John E. Perry
Bryan Tyson wrote: > ... > > I have only one reason: the excruciatingly slow package management > system. Overall, OpenSuse is very nice. However, it does not matter how > nice it is if one must wait half an hour or an hour every time one does > anything with packages. In my opinion, if the packag

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Joseph Loo
Bryan Tyson wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:18 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: > > >> IMO SuSE is a great distro and is only getting more mature with Novell's >> growing experience in the Open Source market. >> I myself run SLED 10 and OpenSuSE 10.2 (and previously 9.2, 9.3, 10.0 and >> even >> th

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Bryan Tyson
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 21:18 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: > IMO SuSE is a great distro and is only getting more mature with Novell's > growing experience in the Open Source market. > I myself run SLED 10 and OpenSuSE 10.2 (and previously 9.2, 9.3, 10.0 and > even > the crippled 10.1). > So what wer

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-12 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Mike McMullin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-12-07 16:35]: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 20:41 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > Guess you need to build your on box and install xp, then see how you > > can play dvds or cds. You *still* have to get software and will have > > to pay $$$s for it. > > > > You

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-12 Thread James Knott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > change it. IIRC it's a mouse click to do..ight click on the chameleon > and choose "Switch to Kmenu style" and it's back to the "old" KDE > way ... > It's not a chameleon. It's a geeko. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-12 Thread jfweber
On Mon February 12 2007 3:17 am, DElyMyth scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: > On 2/12/07, Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) Pull out wallet > > 2) Pay the price > > 3) Put up with the problems > > 4) Reboot, reboot, reboot ad nauseum > > First of al

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-12 Thread Mike McMullin
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 20:41 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-07 20:36]: > [...] > > And then there are those like my friend. She used to play DVDs on her > > computer, but now finds she has to download some software to do so. > > Guess you need to build y

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread J Sloan
Kai Ponte wrote: > On Monday 12 February 2007 11:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> On Mon 12 Feb 2007 18:58, Bryan Tyson wrote: >> >>> why doesn't OpenSuse have a package system that works. >>> >> _ >> >> - my first impressions of "smart" - Good, Good :) >> >> > > SMA

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Kai Ponte
On Monday 12 February 2007 11:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon 12 Feb 2007 18:58, Bryan Tyson wrote: > > why doesn't OpenSuse have a package system that works. > > _ > > - my first impressions of "smart" - Good, Good :) > SMART rox! I have it running on three systems and have no c

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Don Raboud
On Monday 12 February 2007 11:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:13 -0800, J Sloan wrote: > > all systems here are running better than any > > previous release of linux I've tried. > > I think it runs just fine. I have no complaints about how it runs. My > objection is that to instal

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread riccardo35
On Mon 12 Feb 2007 18:58, Bryan Tyson wrote: > why doesn't OpenSuse have a package system that works. _ - my first impressions of "smart" - Good, Good :) best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Bryan Tyson
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:16 -0800, Ben Kevan wrote: > Maybe they will start doing "Gold Mastered" versions of all openSuSE > versions > about 1/2 way through it's lifetime . Ben, You missed the point. I am not saying don't have updates. I am saying why doesn't OpenSuse have a package system tha

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Anders Johansson
On Monday 12 February 2007 19:48, Bryan Tyson wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:13 -0800, J Sloan wrote: > > all systems here are running better than any > > previous release of linux I've tried. > > I think it runs just fine. I have no complaints about how it runs. My > objection is that to instal

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Bryan Tyson
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 19:13 -0800, J Sloan wrote: > all systems here are running better than any > previous release of linux I've tried. I think it runs just fine. I have no complaints about how it runs. My objection is that to install one measly package takes so long I have to go away and do som

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 20:48 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 02/11/2007 Carlos E. R. wrote: > > You should check your system to see what other packages come from > > factory, > > but I'm unsure now how to detect them. > > The question is no

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Clayton
> Could you expand on that? I read the man, but I don't understand it > fully: > > -l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem >hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the > filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel > 2.4.11 or later.)

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 M Harris wrote: > Suse 10.0, 9.3, 9.2, they all still work just great... 10.2 is the only release that sets up my video and monitor without jumping through flaming hoops. This box is just to new for the lower versions to use straight out of the box. I tried 10.1 but it barfed all

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-12 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 Bryan S. Tyson wrote: > I scrapped 10.2 in less than a week. However, no need to switch to > Windows. > While you wait for suse to straighten out, I can tell you at least > the > following work great: mepis, kubuntu, mandriva, fedora. It's been a while but I did try Mandriva/Mandrake

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-12 Thread DElyMyth
On 2/12/07, Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1) Pull out wallet 2) Pay the price 3) Put up with the problems 4) Reboot, reboot, reboot ad nauseum First of all, I use all OSs, Windows (parents' PC's and some virtual machines), openSuSE (10.1 and 10.2), fedora (core 6) and own three m

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Monday 12 February 2007 05:13, J Sloan wrote: > > Why would suse be released like this? Why don't they fix it? > > 10.2 works quite nicely for the majority of users here, but you can't > please everyone - or every environment... Yep, except that ZMD is still rather painful. At least now you ca

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread kanenas
On Sunday 11 February 2007 14:21, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:59:58 -0500, Brian J Berrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: > >Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates & windows, from > >illegal monopolies. > > So would that mean that users of Windows/Ma

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Bob S
On Sunday 11 February 2007 11:34, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: ,. > > Let's see, let's do an experiment shall we? > > here is part of one of my replies > > = > > (^_^) Yes it would, someone suggested a nice simple how-to to fix the > mbr (^_^)from the rescue c

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread kanenas
On Sunday 11 February 2007 08:10, Anders Johansson wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > On 02/11/2007 Anders Johansson wrote: > > > But above all, *why* are you updating the kernel. It's something you > > > should > > > only do when it's absolutely necessary (I kn

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Doug McGarrett
On Sunday 11 February 2007 09:40, Anders Johansson wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, > > Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. > > NOW I can't even update my KDE

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Ben Kevan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:58, Bryan S. Tyson wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 09:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > Now I think I may just scrap 10.2 and wait for 11.0 to come out > > and try again on this box. Use it for Windows till then. > > I scrapped 10.2 in less than a week. However, no

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread M Harris
On Sunday 11 February 2007 22:58, Bryan S. Tyson wrote: > I scrapped 10.2 in less than a week. However, no need to switch to Windows. > While you wait for suse to straighten out, I can tell you at least the > following work great: mepis, kubuntu, mandriva, fedora. also... Suse 10.0

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Bryan S. Tyson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 09:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Now I think I may just scrap 10.2 and wait for 11.0 to come out > and try again on this box. Use it for Windows till then. I scrapped 10.2 in less than a week. However, no need to switch to Windows. While you wait for suse to straighten

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Peter Van Lone
On 2/11/07, Benjamin Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nah. HP-UX runs on PA-Risc processors. I think they just are still to damn afraid to piss off Microsoft plain and simple. well I did only use HP as an example, but I think you are right in part (that they are hesitant to piss off micros

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Benjamin Rosenberg
On Feb 11, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Rajko M. wrote: but HP is quite shy to admit that they have any hardware that works with Linux. The reason, probably their own HP-UX operating system. Nah. HP-UX runs on PA-Risc processors. I think they just are still to damn afraid to piss off Microsoft plain

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:13, Peter Van Lone wrote: ... > I do still think, that much of the answer to this part of the problem > is "hardware packaging". > > Short of actually pre-installing the OS, If SUSE could for example, > make arrangements with HP to provide a "proven to work" set of dri

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 11 February 2007 18:09, Carlos E. R. wrote: > ... > > Could you expand on that? I read the man, but I don't understand it > fully: > > -l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem >hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the > filesystem as soon as

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:30, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:21, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > > >Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates & windows, from > > >illegal monopolies. > > > > So would that mean that users of Windows/Macs, etc... are "free" to > > choose what t

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Ben Kevan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:05, Bryan S. Tyson wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:46, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > > While I was waiting for the "new" install of 10.2 to set up the Yast > > update sources I watched an episode and a half of American Hotrod. > > That's about an hour and a half. W

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread J Sloan
Bryan S. Tyson wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:46, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: >> While I was waiting for the "new" install of 10.2 to set up the Yast >> update sources I watched an episode and a half of American Hotrod. >> That's about an hour and a half. Well, actually an hour and forty-fiv

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Bryan S. Tyson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:46, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > While I was waiting for the "new" install of 10.2 to set up the Yast > update sources I watched an episode and a half of American Hotrod. > That's about an hour and a half. Well, actually an hour and forty-five > minutes. And that's just

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 Carlos E. R. wrote: > You should check your system to see what other packages come from > factory, > but I'm unsure now how to detect them. The question is now moot. I spent all afternoon reinstalling 10.2. Another few hours doing the mandatory updates. Still got the Hal problems [

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Wade Jones
>On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:17, Bruce Marshall wrote: > What did you pay for Opensuse. Or Ubuntu? Hours, and hours, and hours of work. Sometimes accompanied by much cursing and swearing! (And $14 for a DVD, since I don't have enough bandwidth :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL P

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 12:08 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 02/11/2007 Anders Johansson wrote: > > But above all, *why* are you updating the kernel. It's something you > > should only do when it's absolutely necessary (I know there are peop

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 16:22 +0100, Clayton wrote: > > eject button on the drive does nothing because SOMETHING has it locked. > > I can't "unmount" the drive. I guess I'm going to have to resort to the > > paper clip method to open the drive tray.

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:34:44 -0500 James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And then there are those like my friend. She used to play DVDs on her > computer, but now finds she has to download some software to do so. Yea! DVD playing - now there is an area where linux is worth all the manual labo

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-07 20:36]: [...] > And then there are those like my friend. She used to play DVDs on her > computer, but now finds she has to download some software to do so. Guess you need to build your on box and install xp, then see how you can play dvds or cds. You

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread James Knott
Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:21, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > >>> Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates & windows, from >>> illegal monopolies. >>> >> So would that mean that users of Windows/Macs, etc... are "free" to >> choose what they want to run as well?

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Peter Van Lone
On 2/11/07, Brian J Berrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Worse still is all the inane replies they incite. Linux is NOT MS, thank heaven, and for most of us it is easy to READ the F_Manuals, then if needed, dig up some HOWTO's and archives or ask intelligent questions of the helpful gurus here.

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:00, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > I could rationalize that with Linux as well. With maybe the exception of > #4   What did you pay for Opensuse. Or Ubuntu? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:30:18 -0500, Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:21, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: >> >Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates & windows, from >> >illegal monopolies. >> >> So would that mean that users of Windows

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:21, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > >Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates & windows, from > >illegal monopolies. > > So would that mean that users of Windows/Macs, etc... are "free" to > choose what they want to run as well?  Or are they mind numbed robots? Sure they

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:59:58 -0500, Brian J Berrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >Linux is: Freedom, of choice, from gates & windows, from >illegal monopolies. So would that mean that users of Windows/Macs, etc... are "free" to choose what they want to run as well? O

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Brian J Berrigan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > >> So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just > >> have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the > >> closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my > >> opinion. > Grante

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Brian J Berrigan
On Sunday 11 February 2007 15:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:59:56 -0600, "Peter Van Lone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: > >On 2/11/07, Charles R. Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, j

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-02-11 at 13:23 -0800, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: ... > I could very well sit here and moan and groan about bottom > posting. I know I'm outnumbered, but that has never stopped me from > giving my two cents, especially if you have a fi

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Peter Van Lone
On 2/11/07, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For my amusing experiences over on Fedora setting up video, see: http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/easy-linux.html amusing, indeed. Well written and perfectly descriptive of the kinds of things I have gone through, with the exception being th

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread JB
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:07, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:59:58 +, Dylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to > say the following: > > <>On Sunday 11 February 2007, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > <>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:14 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh > <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 John Andersen wrote: > Half the reason you have time to watch a movie is you have three > different > packman sources that all have to be cross checked. While I was waiting for the "new" install of 10.2 to set up the Yast update sources I watched an episode and a half of American Hot

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread John Andersen
On Sunday 11 February 2007, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Mathias Homann wrote: > > and what exactly IS "etc" on your box? > > post the output of "zypper sl" here, otherwise noone can help you. > > > > > > bye, > > MH > > You mean you don't have an "etc" repo in your list. *<[:oD just kidding!! >

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:02:52 -0500, Tom Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:34:43 -0800 >"Charles R. Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Same amount of area being taken up. > >It isn't a question of the space taken up, its a question of >what

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread J Sloan
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:33:50 -0800 > "Charles R. Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones >> liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major >> things like video drivers and the such,

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:33:50 -0800 "Charles R. Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Granted on one level, it's nice to be able to configure things to ones > liking(s), and that's fine and dandy, but for the most part, major > things like video drivers and the such, it should be a lot painless th

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:34:43 -0800 "Charles R. Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Same amount of area being taken up. It isn't a question of the space taken up, its a question of what your eyes are already trained to ignore. Unexpected gibberish is harder to ignore than expected gibberish (li

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:46:51 +0100, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On Sunday 11 February 2007 21:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:05:08 +0100, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >took time to say the following: >> >On Sunday 11 Fe

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 21:33, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:05:08 +0100, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: > >On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:59, Peter Van Lone wrote: > >> > For what is a man, what has he got? > >> > If not himself, then

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:59:56 -0600, "Peter Van Lone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On 2/11/07, Charles R. Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have >> to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe ha

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:05:08 +0100, Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:59, Peter Van Lone wrote: >> > For what is a man, what has he got? >> > If not himself, then he has naught >> > To say the things he truly feels and not the wor

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 20:59, Peter Van Lone wrote: > > For what is a man, what has he got? > > If not himself, then he has naught > > To say the things he truly feels and not the words of one who kneels > > I'm curious, what is the source of this quote? It continues The record shows I took

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Peter Van Lone
On 2/11/07, Charles R. Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So to end this, the market share is out there for the taking, just have to solve these irritants IMO. With that said, SuSe has come the closest to bridging that gap. They just have a ways to go in my opinion. I agree, "linux" has a way

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:07:23 -0600, "Rajko M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:28, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: >> I used the smiley faces >> to lighten things up because (some) people are just way too serious >> about stuff that really isn't abou

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:28, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > I used the smiley faces > to lighten things up because (some) people are just way too serious > about stuff that really isn't about life or death. KMail has ability to colorize what comes after quote marker which is by default set to

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:11, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, > Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. > NOW I can't even update my KDE stuff without getting into LONG strings > of Gnome conflicts. Y

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Sunday 11 February 2007 10:59, Dylan wrote: > On Sunday 11 February 2007, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:19:14 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: > > > > BEW<>Coming to you from 10.1 while I try to salvage some downloads from >

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 19:08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 02/11/2007 Anders Johansson wrote: > > But above all, *why* are you updating the kernel. It's something you > > should > > only do when it's absolutely necessary (I know there are people on > > this list > > who would tell you otherwis

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 Anders Johansson wrote: > But above all, *why* are you updating the kernel. It's something you > should > only do when it's absolutely necessary (I know there are people on > this list > who would tell you otherwise - please don't listen to them. They are > experienced enough to

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 schrieb Billie Erin Walsh: > Mathias Homann wrote: > > and what exactly IS "etc" on your box? > > post the output of "zypper sl" here, otherwise noone can help > > you. > > > > > > bye, > > MH > > You mean you don't have an "etc" repo in your list. *<[:oD just > kid

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 18:39, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 02/11/2007 Anders Johansson wrote: > > Indeed. And next time, don't add factory as a source. > > > > Oh, and did I mention don't add factory as a source > > Did I forget to mention that is the source for the kernel? On Sunday 11 Febru

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread charles
Benjamin Rosenberg writes: I'm not trying to flame, but what I think what their point is .. some mail clients, spam filters and MDA's might have issues with the symbols because they mean something. So it might screw up something, so it's better to be plain and unobtrusive when setting the

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 02/11/2007 Anders Johansson wrote: > Indeed. And next time, don't add factory as a source. > > Oh, and did I mention don't add factory as a source Did I forget to mention that is the source for the kernel? -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LO

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Anders Johansson
On Sunday 11 February 2007 18:18, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > I set up the source in question to update the kernel. All other updates > have generally been from packman or guru. The rest from the SuSE oss and > nonoss sites when packman and guru updates/installs were not available. > When doing some

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
John E. Perry wrote: > > As others have mentioned, you shouldn't be updating for all the bleeding > edge stuff unless you really have the knowledge to clean up after > someone else's mistakes or oversights. I set up the source in question to update the kernel. All other updates have generally

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread David Rozzell
On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:34, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: > Same amount of area being taken up. Seen way worst ones about. I don't > know, maybe it is JUST me, but I'm usualy reading what someone says > instead of what's sitting on the left margin! :-D It's got nothing to do with the amount of

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Benjamin Rosenberg
On Feb 11, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: Let's see, let's do an experiment shall we? here is part of one of my replies = (^_^) Yes it would, someone suggested a nice simple how-to to fix the mbr (^_^)from the rescue console. That would be ni

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:15:58 +, David Rozzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >On Sunday 11 February 2007 16:07, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: >> Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, >> people bitch about the silliest things for some reason! Gee

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare - ps

2007-02-11 Thread Charles R. Buchanan
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:12:25 -0500, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say the following: >* Charles R. Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-11-07 11:09]: > [...] >> Just for you I turned the initial off. Happy Now? I'm telling you, >> people bitch about the silliest things for some

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread John E. Perry
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > As far as I know I only use four apps that require Gnome. Firefox, > Thunderbird, Gftp and Gramps. Well, maybe five if you include Sunbird. I don't have Gnome installed, and I run Firefox and Thunderbird without problem -- I've read somewhere that KDE and Gnome have been

Re: [opensuse] 10.2 is turning into a nightmare

2007-02-11 Thread Michael Letourneau
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > Mathias Homann wrote: > >> and what exactly IS "etc" on your box? >> post the output of "zypper sl" here, otherwise noone can help you. >> >> [snip] >> 8 | Yes | Yes | YUM | 20070204-092526| >> http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distr

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