[opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
Hi! I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some time now. I've been running SUSE since 9.0 on some computer. Current 10.2 is probably the best so far (although the software management / update systems still do not work as well as they did for example in 9.3. - well, at least f

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 13:17 schrieb HG: > Hi! > > I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some > time now. I've been running SUSE since 9.0 on some computer. I've been running suse since before suse even became its own distribution... > Current 10.2 is probably the best

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
Mathias Homann wrote: I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will never work with Linux (sad but true) for nearly any other thing Linux is much better. think: when you buy Windows, you can barely do anyth

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
Hello guys! I think you missed my points. On 1/14/07, Mathias Homann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 13:17 schrieb HG: > Current 10.2 is probably the best so far (although the software > management / update systems still do not work as well as they did > for example in

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
Still to continue... On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mathias Homann wrote: >> I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will never work with Linux (sad but true) I do not want discussion about if my

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Simon Roberts
- Original Message From: Mathias Homann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Current 10.2 is probably the best so far (although the software > management / update systems still do not work as well as they did > for example in 9.3. - well, at least for me they do not work). Must be your fault. I have fo

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 14:16 schrieb jdd: > Mathias Homann wrote: > >> I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some > > forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this > will never work with Linux (sad but true) then why do i have an extra 30gig partition on my

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:08 schrieb HG: > Still to continue... > > On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mathias Homann wrote: > > >> I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for > > >> some > > > > forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this > > will n

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
Hi! On 1/14/07, Mathias Homann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: then put your rants on a blog somewhere where we can ignore them, not on a _discussion list_. I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home. I've given a use case (backed up by MS), but seems that it's not interesting or sexy

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
HG wrote: You sent this privately to me... error which is fine as you and I both know that what you wrote isn't really true. no, it's not have not touched. They can both play DVD's and they both have offices and all that. it's only a question of money. have a Linux laptop configured

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
Mathias Homann wrote: and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next harddisk? anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers I have on my home today, and I won't buy a new one for that... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for u

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Jan Elders
On Sunday January 14 2007 15:32, Mathias Homann wrote: > Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:08 schrieb HG: > > Still to continue... > > > > On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mathias Homann wrote: > > > >> I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for > > > >> some > > > > >

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread James Knott
jdd wrote: > > anybody know Bill gates is a very good seller... > > Sure, if you consider extortion and strong arming to be good sales methods. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
HG wrote: And he will also sell that home server to millions of homes do you really mean "server"? Windows was never a server (at home). If you mean really this I have a small course on the openSUSE wiki about this, for now only in french, I could translate it if there was interest (I don

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:44 schrieb jdd: > Mathias Homann wrote: > > and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my > > next harddisk? > > anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers > I have on my home today, and I won't buy a new one for that... Well, I d

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
Hi! On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HG wrote: > You sent this privately to me... error After which I sent you private email also. Which you then quote some parts without my permission on a public list. Thanks. anybody know Bill gates is a very good seller... And he will also s

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 01/14/2007 jdd wrote: > > forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will > never work with Linux (sad but true) OK, I'll give you that a large percentage of home computers are used just for gaming [ in the under thirty group ], BUT, I seriously doubt that it's a majority of

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
HG wrote: I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home. good. I didn't understand that :-( . probably my fault. but let me ask something: what exacly do you want to do at home that you can't with openSUSE? personnally I have an other window box (other than the Linux one), mostly

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Peter Nikolic
On Sunday 14 January 2007 14:38, HG wrote: > I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home. I've given a > use case (backed up by MS), but seems that it's not interesting or > sexy enough for SUSE. I'm asking for user friendliness and > documentation I guess. And I can understand that it'

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
HG escribió: > Hi! (although the software management / update > systems still do not work as well as they did for example in 9.3. - > well, at least for me they do not work). yes it does work , just dont use ZenWorks. > > So far it seems that with SUSE you can do email, web browsing (with > some

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 01/14/2007 Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: > HG escribió: > > > Hi! > (although the software management / update > > > systems still do not work as well as they did for example in 9.3. > - > > > well, at least for me they do not work). > > yes it does work , just dont use ZenWorks. > > Actuall

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Stevens
"Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PEBCAK . all you telling us can be done with yast or with a simple > tutorial, if you actually dont want to **get a clue ** about basic > things of an OS, Im not sure if linux is the right choice for you. And therein lies the problem: the "loo

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Jan Elders
On Sunday January 14 2007 19:22, Stevens wrote: > "Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PEBCAK . all you telling us can be done with yast or with a simple > > tutorial, if you actually dont want to **get a clue ** about basic > > things of an OS, Im not sure if linux is the right c

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 19:22 schrieb Stevens: > "Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PEBCAK . all you telling us can be done with yast or with a simple > > tutorial, if you actually dont want to **get a clue ** about basic > > things of an OS, Im not sure if linux is the righ

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread J Sloan
jdd wrote: > Mathias Homann wrote: > >>> I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some > > forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will never > work with Linux (sad but true) LOL, it's sad that you have such a strange idea. Let's get this right: Linux is

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
Hi! On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HG wrote: > And he will also sell that home server to millions of homes do you really mean "server"? Windows was never a server (at home). Check the URL that I gave ("Microsoft introduces Windows Home Server" from ARS). If you mean really this

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Niels Øtergaard Kjær
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Elders wrote: > On Sunday January 14 2007 19:22, Stevens wrote: >> "Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> PEBCAK . all you telling us can be done with yast or with a simple >>> tutorial, if you actually dont want to **get a clue **

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
On 1/14/07, Mathias Homann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But there lies another problem: If we make linux as fool-friendly as windows, we get another windows. with the same problem that windows has. How did Apple do OS X then? -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional com

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread HG
On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HG wrote: > I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home. good. I didn't understand that :-( . probably my fault. but let me ask something: what exacly do you want to do at home that you can't with openSUSE? I know the correct answer here:

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
HG wrote: But in the contect of this discussion, I want to have one place with reliable and large storage for all the stuff (mostly multimedia) that I have. Then I can access if from all of the computers I have; 2 laptops, workstation (currently 2 of them) and PDA (in near future). I do not want

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2007-01-14 06:17, HG wrote: > > - Samba and Linux passwd synchronization... How do you setup Samba in > SUSE? Well, you open up YaST and start up Samba server. How do you All you need is one password on the samba server, and then everything can be set up in SWAT (if you don't know what that is,

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2007-01-14 08:28, Mathias Homann wrote: > > > then why do i have an extra 30gig partition on my main gaming box > which is mounted to /usr/local/games? > > and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next > harddisk? Because you have too much spare time on your hands? :-)

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 22:17 schrieb Darryl Gregorash: > On 2007-01-14 08:28, Mathias Homann wrote: > > > > > > then why do i have an extra 30gig partition on my main gaming box > > which is mounted to /usr/local/games? > > > > and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my n

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Jan Elders
On Sunday January 14 2007 19:42, Mathias Homann wrote: // snip > That means there are enough fools out there who still do not believe in the > necessity of antivirus software for their windows systems. Why dont they? > because they dont have a clue. > Do we REALLY want more people like that on the

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:15, Jan Elders wrote: > I think HG made a valid point. > Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and > lost how to get for instance their DVD working. > Yes, for you (and me) it is quite simple because we know what actions we > must take

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mike
On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:15, Jan Elders wrote: > I think HG made a valid point. > Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are > desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working. His point was that XP could do this. It can not do it without extra software. It wil

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jfweber
On Sun January 14 2007 3:01 pm, HG scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer: > On 1/14/07, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HG wrote: > > > I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home. > > > > good. I didn't understand that :-( . probably my fault. > > > > but

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Tom Patton
EXTREMELY well stated, Kevin... On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 21:49 +, Kevin Donnelly wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:15, Jan Elders wrote:XTRE > > I think HG made a valid point. > > Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and > > lost how to get for instance thei

kevin:Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Niels Øtergaard Kjær
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 a community ? sound a bit holy to me, think some and too some who have left the list because it looks like a very closed community ?? Maybe a good idea to listen to what standard questions the newbies come with and remake some wikis ?? so all hav

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread James Knott
Mathias Homann wrote: > Well, > > I do have a box with a "vista compatible" sticker on it, but i guess I > wont let vista get close to that box. > Many years ago, a friend of mine peeled a "Ready for Windows 95" sticker off a monitor and stuck it on the toilet. Perhaps you could do the same wi

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2007-01-14 16:04, Mike wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:15, Jan Elders wrote: > > >> I think HG made a valid point. >> Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are >> desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working. >> > > His point was that XP could do

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Kevin Donnelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-14-07 16:52]: [...] > I think one of the problems is that many new users come along and > expect to be told exactly what to do in their specific situation to > solve whatever problem they're having. "If Linux is as good as > Windows, it must be able to do

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mathias Homann
Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 23:35 schrieb James Knott: > Mathias Homann wrote: > > Well, > > > > I do have a box with a "vista compatible" sticker on it, but i guess I > > wont let vista get close to that box. > > Many years ago, a friend of mine peeled a "Ready for Windows 95" sticker > off a moni

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Benjamin Rosenberg
On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote: I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather rest my palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is sticky because of the stupid sticker that i peeled off there ;) In the States we have this wo

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread James Knott
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: > On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote: > >> I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather >> rest my >> palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is >> sticky >> because of the stupid sticker that i peeled off th

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Stevens escribió: > "Cristian Rodriguez R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> PEBCAK . all you telling us can be done with yast or with a simple >> tutorial, if you actually dont want to **get a clue ** about basic >> things of an OS, Im not sure if linux is the right choice for you. > > And therein l

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Benjamin Rosenberg
On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:21 PM, James Knott wrote: Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote: I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather rest my palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is sticky because of the

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Mathias Homann escribió: > But there lies another problem: > If we make linux as fool-friendly as windows, we get another windows. with > the > same problem that windows has. The main problem is that people does not understand that Linux is not windows and will never be. signature.asc Desc

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Tom Patton
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 18:37 -0600, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: > On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:21 PM, James Knott wrote: > > > > > I find that ordinary lighter fluid works well for most label glues. > > True. It does. But it can also eat through the plastic if one isn't > careful. :) I find that wd-40 on

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2007-01-14 18:35, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: > >> >> > > Free software isnt really free, it requires at least you to spend some > of your time to get a least a minimal understanding about how it works. > Quite a bit of my revenue comes from a friend who would try to dispute what you

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Bryan S. Tyson
On Sunday 14 January 2007 7:37 pm, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: > > I find that ordinary lighter fluid works well for most label glues. > True. It does. But it can also eat through the plastic if one isn't   > careful. :) WD-40 is great for removing adhesive, and it will not eat through the plastic.

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Sunday 14 January 2007 20:36, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > > Free software isnt really free, it requires at least you to spend some > > of your time to get a least a minimal understanding about how it works. > >   > > Quite a bit of my revenue comes from a friend who would try to dispute > what you

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Dennis E. Slice
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: > On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote: > >> I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather >> rest my >> palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is >> sticky >> because of the stupid sticker that i peeled off t

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 09:38:09PM -0300, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: > The main problem is that people does not understand that Linux is not > windows and will never be. Actually, the main problem is that people will never understand that there's no reason for Linux to be like Windows in the fir

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Wilson
> > Distro and desktop designers, developers and others in the Linux > > community need to drop their holier-than-thou attitude and concentrate on > > the masses who need to escape the clutches of M$. I'm afraid I don't have the original message, otherwise I'd attribute the above properly. Woul

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mike McMullin
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:01 +0100, Mathias Homann wrote: > Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:44 schrieb jdd: > > Mathias Homann wrote: > > > and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my > > > next harddisk? > > > > anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers > > I h

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Mike McMullin
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 21:38 -0300, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: > Mathias Homann escribió: > > > But there lies another problem: > > If we make linux as fool-friendly as windows, we get another windows. with > > the > > same problem that windows has. > > The main problem is that people does not

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Darryl Gregorash
On 2007-01-14 19:54, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 20:36, Darryl Gregorash wrote: > >>> Free software isnt really free, it requires at least you to spend some >>> of your time to get a least a minimal understanding about how it works. >>> >>> >> Quite a bit of my rev

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread James Knott
Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: > On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:21 PM, James Knott wrote: > >> Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: >>> On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote: >>> I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather rest my palm on some stupid sticker than on some

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Yes, they do have a program that analyzes your system. Go to www.windowsvista.com/upgradeadvisor with a list of requirements at www.windowsvista.com/systemrequirements. On Sunday 14 January 2007 21:56, Mike McMullin wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:01 +0100, Mathias Homann wrote: > > Am Sonnta

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 01/14/2007 Benjamin Rosenberg wrote: > > In the States we have this wonderful product called GooGone .. I > don't know if they sell it there, but if so then grab some. After you > peel the sticker off .. just use some of that on tissue and no more > sticky spot. :D WD40 works wonders. Also,

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 01/14/2007 Marc Wilson wrote: > Actually, the main problem is that people will never understand that > there's no reason for Linux to be like Windows in the first place. Actually, except the fact that the icons look funny, in everyday use it really isn't THAT different. [ IMHO ] -- (o:]>*HUGG

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread J Sloan
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 01/14/2007 Marc Wilson wrote: >> Actually, the main problem is that people will never understand that >> there's no reason for Linux to be like Windows in the first place. > > Actually, except the fact that the icons look funny, in everyday use it > really isn't THA

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
> > I'm afraid I don't have the original message, otherwise I'd attribute the > above properly. Would whoever said it like to comment on where either of > these perceived "needs" derives from? Especially the second one. From: Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 07:49:45PM -0800, J Sloan wrote: > I agree about the icons looking funny, but I find it really different. For > instance drive letters, LOL, what's that about? I see no difference there myself... remember the drive letter, or remember where you mounted the partition. What'

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
On 01/14/2007 J Sloan wrote: > I agree about the icons looking funny, but I find it really different. For > instance drive letters, LOL, what's that about? And one single desktop - bleh. How many times a day do you even have to think about where something is on a harddrive, unless your using CLI e

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread J Sloan
Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 07:49:45PM -0800, J Sloan wrote: >> I agree about the icons looking funny, but I find it really different. For >> instance drive letters, LOL, what's that about? > > I see no difference there myself... remember the drive letter, or remember > where yo

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread J Sloan
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > On 01/14/2007 J Sloan wrote: >> I agree about the icons looking funny, but I find it really different. For >> instance drive letters, LOL, what's that about? And one single desktop - >> bleh. > > How many times a day do you even have to think about where something is

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 14 January 2007 20:52, J Sloan wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 07:49:45PM -0800, J Sloan wrote: > > ... > > > > I see no difference there myself... remember the drive letter, or > > remember where you mounted the partition. What's the difference? > > The differenc

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread J Sloan
Randall R Schulz wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 20:52, J Sloan wrote: >> Marc Wilson wrote: >>> On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 07:49:45PM -0800, J Sloan wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> I see no difference there myself... remember the drive letter, or >>> remember where you mounted the partition. What's the

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Sunday 14 January 2007 21:06, J Sloan wrote: > Randall R Schulz wrote: > ... > > > Windows doesn't care whether you use forward or backward slashes. > > They both work in most contexts. > > hmm, didn't know that changed. So it's sort of like the upper/lower > case distinction - unix cares, and m

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 10:44:35PM -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: > However, Linux does use a sort of drive letter. FD, HDA, HDB, etc. A, C, > D, etc are shorter designations. Especially when you have to add the > partition number, FD0, HDA1, HDA2, HDB1, HDB2, etc. It's all in how you > keep track

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread jdd
Mike wrote: On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:15, Jan Elders wrote: I think HG made a valid point. Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working. His point was that XP could do this. you forget the main point. I beg you

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Stevens
> > No, of course I have nothing against usefriendly tools. > but if you actually need a bit advanced setup, then you actually ***need > to know** at least **the basics** !!! your company information or future > can depend of this, this is a really seriuos problem. > > f.e having a tractor does n

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Mathias Homann
Stevens schrieb: > I thought that Suse 10.2 was pretty good until I ran headlong into the > optical media bug. Maybe when that gets fixed it will be a good distro. optical media bug? which optical media bug? I'm running 10.2 on three different systems, and I havent noticed any optical media bug

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Sergey Mkrtchyan
Billie Erin Walsh wrote: I do like the multiple desktops. If I get one to jammed up I can open the other and start over on a clean page. Kind of like the tabbed browsing in Konqueror and Firfox. It's a LOT easier, and more efficient, than having multiple iterations of the same program. It took M

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Billie Erin Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-14-07 23:47]: [...] > The major differences I see are the file structure and how you > install something. I have no clue where stuff is on the hard drives, > [ there's bits, pieces, and copies of stuff all over the place ] but > then I don't have to. The

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread J Sloan
Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Billie Erin Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-14-07 23:47]: > [...] >> The major differences I see are the file structure and how you >> install something. I have no clue where stuff is on the hard drives, >> [ there's bits, pieces, and copies of stuff all over the place

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-15-07 15:16]: [...] > While this is technically true, the fact is that any official suse > rpm packages install binaries in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, etc. OTOH, > tarball builds inevitably default to installing binaries in > /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin, etc, so th

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread J Sloan
Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-15-07 15:16]: > [...] >> While this is technically true, the fact is that any official suse >> rpm packages install binaries in /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, etc. OTOH, >> tarball builds inevitably default to installing binaries in >> /usr/loca

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-15-07 17:31]: [...] > But the rpm database is not a factor here since this is all outside > the scope of the rpm database. Unlike windoze with the registry, > Linux will still run and function even if the rpm database is nuked, > but I agree that it's best to main

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Curtis Rey
On Monday 15 January 2007 15:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-15-07 17:31]: > At the very least, when installing a tar ball, checkinstall should be > employed, UNLESS YOU ARE VERY KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT LINUX STRUCTURE. > Take it from someone that used to tar ball al

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Michael Nelson
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 03:39:00PM -0800, Curtis Rey wrote: > Checkinstall makes it a lot easier to fix problems and keep the rpm database > coherent. It is especially critical that people who top post use checkinstall. ;-) Michael -- If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Curtis Rey
On Monday 15 January 2007 15:39, Michael Nelson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 03:39:00PM -0800, Curtis Rey wrote: > > Checkinstall makes it a lot easier to fix problems and keep the rpm > > database coherent. > > It is especially critical that people who top post use checkinstall. ;-) > > Michae

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Monday 15 January 2007 19:52, Curtis Rey wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 15:39, Michael Nelson wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 03:39:00PM -0800, Curtis Rey wrote: > > > Checkinstall makes it a lot easier to fix problems and keep the rpm > > > database coherent. > > > > It is especially cri

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-15 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Monday 15 January 2007 15:39, Michael Nelson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 03:39:00PM -0800, Curtis Rey wrote: > > Checkinstall makes it a lot easier to fix problems and keep the rpm > > database coherent. > > It is especially critical that people who top post use checkinstall. > ;-) Well, t

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-16 Thread Carl William Spitzer IV
On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:44 +0100, jdd wrote: > Mathias Homann wrote: > > > and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next > > harddisk? > > anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers > I have on my home today, and I won't buy a new one for that... Ill s

Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-16 Thread Kai Ponte
On Sunday 14 January 2007 04:17, HG wrote: > Hi! > > I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some time > now. I've been running SUSE since 9.0 on some computer. Current 10.2 > is probably the best so far (although the software management / update > systems still do not work as we

Re: kevin:Re: [opensuse] Future of SUSE (at home)

2007-01-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Niels Øtergaard Kjær <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-14-07 17:34]: > a community ? sound a bit holy to me, think some and too some who > have left the list because it looks like a very closed community ?? It is not mandatory to join the 'community' or participate. But, then you *will* be outside the